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PvP is hard as a fresh 60
mailbro
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Why is PvP so hard fro a fresh 60, I'm not saying vetran 60s shouldn't have an advantage I'm just saying getting crit for 19k when I have 23k health is pretty imbalanced.
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My personally opinion is that there should be special PvP sets (new ones) with PvP-only resilience stat that is
relatively easy to get, so people doing PvP would end up with lots of resistance against enemy players and gimped damage (i.e. resilience would replace stats such as crit, power...). This way you can model class damage without damaging and affecting PvE as Cryptic likes to do (TRs 1 shot people in PvP? Let's nerf their abilities. Oh, now they do lame dungeon damage and cannot compete in PvE? Who cares... we don't").
Also as a freshie you should fight other freshies, but NWO will set you up against random teams, which sometimes will be premades with people with perfects and Rank 8-10s, which will make your team leave.
^^this.
If you do decide to take it seriously, then you'll need to farm your a.s.s. off in PvE to get decent gear. Thankfully, unlike WoW's resilience system which actually is part of a structured and fully supported PvP system, your PvE gear can be used directly in PvP. Also, you can,
1. often get good blue/Rare gear extremely cheaply from the Auction House to use in PvP, while you are farming a weapon.
2. do Gauntlgrym to farm Coins for high level weapons or sets (depending on class some may be better than others).
3. adapt your PvP playstyle to be as highly defensive and sniper-oriented while remaining effective. You can also use your mount to travel to the furthest objective in Domination, directly contributing to winning a game without having demon gear. As your gear improves, your playstyle options and ability to go offensive improves.
Believe me, we've all been through it. Some of us even multiple times!
(^^If you have any questions about which gear, send me a message here or in-game, i'd be happy to help^^)
You'd still need to enchant them. For that I'd suggest familiarizing yourself with the nodes in Rothe Valley (dungeneering, nature, thief, etc.) You'll get a number of rank 3 and 4 enchantments from these. When you have enough, you should combine them to make rank 5s and enchant your gear with those. Rank 5 enchantments are a good way to start.
For the actual armor set, gauntlgrym is an easy method if you are online a lot, or you can take your chances with farming PvE, or even glory farm for the PvP t1 set if you can stand pvping before you have good armor.
It's really easy to get gear that can benefit you in PvP. Then from there you just have to familiarize yourself with techniques and you'll be a match for some veteran players. Obviously having much better gear gives an advantage in PvP, but I've seen some lower gear score people really do well in PvP.
Another thing that could help is to find a nice guild group to PvP with.
Hyenas@zokir - Essence of Aggression
I am not sure how many people get the idea that pvp in nwo is about keeping as many nodes blue for as long as possible and if node is red it at least needs to be red/blue. It is more about that than winning fights, though of course not being slapped around silly can help. You can have someone in the very best gear that money an buy but if they consistently fight off nodes, fail to back cap, fail to at least contest red nodes....they are going to consistently lose.
Jugger Conq GF
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It's just that in every mmorpg I've played, pvp has been the best thing I love about it. Now just in NW... It is boring, stupid, boring, hmm did I mention boring? Game developers don't pay any attention to pvp and well it shows. Now I only play pvp when it's needed and that is Gauntlgrym.
But if you really want to play pvp, ppl have told you various ways now how to deal with it. GG is easy and quite fast way to get epic gear to play pvp with. Though after you get your decent pvp gear, honor becomes obsolete, which is amazingly stupid too..
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?492261-A-Beginners-Guide-to-Successful-PvP-by-Alysin-Chains
Few more things:
- Do not be shy to purchase a bunch of pvp potions. They are cheap and a legit way to help you survive through hard times.
- During the preparation time, take a look of your teammate gs then follow the guy with the highest gs. If everyone has the same low gs, then stick with your team, do not wander alone. It is the nature that weaks should stick together or strongers.
For the OP, there are some great guides that will help you gear up using blue items until you can get better. I'm not going to focus on the negatives of the current system but will instead tell you that we have a great and helpful pvp community.
We're all waiting on some new content and that does play into some of the responses you're seeing. My suggestion is have fun with it and even if you're getting steamrolled, ask for some 1v1 or to have the opposing team let you cap node.
Most premades (I can't speak for all)are honestly just looking for a good fight. They don't want to rolfstomp your team.
You'll find that just talking to them about skill usage and gear will be very educational and help you be a better player.
Example - Right now on the AH there is a +6 Exemplar's Chain Armor of Youth with a 350,000 starting bid and a 699,999 buyout. At that price you can get the armor piece from two of the DC class' T2 sets. The Grand Templar pieces range from 275,000 to 400,000. You will get the Beacon of Faith piece for under 200k.
Which is exactly why I advised him to check out the guides out there that would be helpful to him.
420 recovery
743 defense
368 regeneration
No piece of T2 armor for a DC can match that defense or regeneration, they don't even come close. It has nearly twice the defense of even the Mircale Healer piece and no T2 piece has regen as a stat. Also, in PvP the elites easily match a blue of this standard with their existing purples to put together formidable builds. This blue piece would be the centerpiece of a tanky/regen build, a build that may not have impressive kill/heal numbers but will be able to hold points and in a team that wants to win outright and not just worry about who gets the most kills, that is an invaluable team member.
There are exceptions. For 20k AD you can get two Ancient Priest's Rings and that is 1232 HP, 308 defense & 308 deflection, which is a fair bit of extra beef at a very cheap price, but for the most part gear that makes PvP ''easier'' will cost you a fair amount of AD because everyone wants it. Prices go up when demand is high.
Knowledge is power. The OP just needs to do some reading, make some friends in game and have fun.
they are alot of guilds who are doing constantly PvP.
Try to join some of them and u will get better and better if u are whiling to learn something and to improve ur skill and toon-build.
Solo players are Doomed in PvP.
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Maybe You should be listening to the people who say such. This Game isn't "Only Based on PVE, It's PVP As well.
STOP Ignoring it and DO something about it Geez been taking so many mouths only playing with PVE programming sted of focusing on PVP. LOTS of people Live for PVP for this game......That is all.
PS: Fire those guys/girls who are making weapon skins they are killing D&D. Weapons are ment to look AWESOME not small or ugly.
From what I've seen, the high end PvP guilds more often than not will entertain anyone's desire to 1v1. They allow you to cap points even if you do not ask. What I also see a lot of is the ones who start whining because they are getting stomped...offer them the opportunity to cap, they insult you. Offer to 1v1 they insult you, insisting that you're to credit card happy because they are losing so badly. Everyone wants to win and they want it to be easy. If it's not easy for them the tears start flowin.
I have fun in just about all of my matches because PvP is what I make it. And it's not just fun 'cause I'm winning because truth is, I get my *** stomped more often than not but that does not deter me. I enjoy the competition and it's more fun if you are out matched and pull off a win or have an absolute battle for the last scrap of points even if you narrowly lose.
Even new to 60 players can learn from doing it often and can be quite good. Had my *** busted a couple times from low geared players who's tactics were sound.
It's a huge factor to consider, besides gear & gems & mounts, etc.
Have a nice rest - weekend.
I don't understand the name-calling, etc. FaceControl doesn't form groups to "farm pugs". It's almost always for PMvsPM. Sometimes it takes time for both teams to form, so he'll random-q us until ready.
It's not much fun face-stomping or getting face-stomped. So long as both sides of these unfortunate situations are respectful, some fun can still be salvaged.
Iyon the Dark
Thanks for the possitive back-up...
Want to note that we change name to ' Reborn.' becouse we had members of 2 different guilds that currently joined us.
On topic: Problem in this Neverwinter Community is that everybody thinks he is the best and the word ' respect' is tabu.
People think the Perfects and the Rank 8+ come from heaven and that the players that have them made account yesterday.
The only interesting part for me and many other still remaining players is PvP.
Dont blame us for not making it easy for u guys.Blame the People who are responsible for the static position PvP is at.
There's nothing respectful camping a pug with 4x10K GS persons below the spawn when you're 500 points in advance. Repeatedly, on more than one occasion. Never-ever was a call for 1 vs 1 responded or offered, or an offer to cap points for those that might need the glory.
If it's not fun to face-stomp people, stop queuing as a PM with perfects against pugs. What do you expect? You make it sound these are some "unfortunate" occurrences, yet they are EXACTLY what will happen if you queue a PM randomly.
Nothing to salvage.
When I'm in a boring 300-0 match, I typically offer 1v1s, let cap, and/or leave. I'm sorry you had a different experience. It's not the norm (unless against TRs
That said, when no premades want to go, random q-ing w/ a group can lead to fun matches and meeting good people. It's usually less frustrating than random q-ing solo because you don't have to explain basics in every single match.
Sitting and waiting all day just for the rare opportunity to do a PMvsPM = no fun. Spending half the time typing basics (only to be ignored) is also not fun. The situation isn't ideal, so we do what we can.
Good suggestion on the PMvsPM channel. It's what I use. The test server is also good, but few q there.
Iyon the Dark
As another CW who always queues alone and gets his *** kicked I agree with this post.
The deal is if I see 3 people from same guild in opposing side I QUIT, instantly, just to deny those premades the pleasure of massacre for my part.
And then we see threads going for hundreds of posts wondering why people quit PvP. If I were a dev I'd slip a feature to game where if you queue as premade to pvp and end up agains pug you spawn in hell fighting demons instead.
NO respect.
It's interesting, because I'll sometimes quit immediately if I don't recognize anyone in the opposing party. Likely no fun, and no one to learn from. On the other hand, I'll stay if I see that other group is a premade. Once the rest of my pug team leaves in the first 30 seconds, can be fun to 1v1, test stuff, friend people, etc.
It's one way to handle the situation. The problem isn't premades. Or pugs. It's match-making, as has been pointed out 100s of times. No reason to insult other players suffering from the same problem.
Iyon the Dark
Yes, that's what a gentleman would do and if I were to play against you, in my eyes you've already earned the respect some seem to crave.
And it's obviously true that this tension is primarily caused by lack of action from the developers. So many good PvP suggestion topics, they flood this subforum, and I've seen no response ever.
Thing is, some people choose to take advantage of the lack of a proper matchmaking system, while others choose to still act in a considerate way regardless the differences in gear, skill and score. I've met a few pro PvPers this way when I remained alone against their teams, we chatted, we did 1 vs 1, I obviously lost most but it didn't matter, it was cool to meet them and talk to them. But some PvPers are way too eager to farm the other undergeared team after the match is done (this usually means the 1st middle confrontation, when 1-2 people will invariably leave the pug side).
In conclusion, it is the developer job to fix these issues, you cannot ask nicely for example the PvE exploiter to stop exploiting bosses, you have to patch the exploit. Same goes for PvP. You cannot ask nicely the out-for-blood guy in perfects and a PM to stop farming the undergeared pug, the developer has to step in and put matchmaking and ladders.
You can queue as premade vs premade but then you have to go to seperate queue system.
Persephone is just ahead of his time am sure the solution will come here also. Now that boones have been implemented it will further increase the differance between new players and old players and in AoC the implement pvp where all have same basic gear/skills.
They also have pvp gear and pve gear whish you can use freely in pvp.
Anyhow PM bis geared groups that hunt pugs and taunt them in chat standing below the ress pad killing anybody what jumps down even if they called 1-1 first is nothing but bullies and sad people.
To make these bis geared PM groups going against pugs (with ts communication or the like ofc) can only be for the reason of feeling mighty at others expence. And most know that peeps that have a need to feel mighty at other peoples expence isent the most harmonious ones.
There is absolutly no challange to a PM bis geared group from a pug and there is no exuce for hunting them beside above reasons.
Match-making is needed. It's important to send a clear, unified message to the developers: improve level-60 match-making.
Iyon the Dark
please do not respond to this message. instead, send PMs to any of the community moderators or the community managers sominator or cmpinpointerror. thank you.
One of former guild mates returned the other days and said.. hey lets do a pvp match!, we;ve entered the game and was over in less then a min (opponents left) and he left the game again saying this is a joke: cause truth is that there is no pvp!
Hell even i cant play all my toons as i used to do: I cant gear all of them in perfect, high rank enchants/ farm sets, campaigns and now artifacts. You are increasing an already huge gap between an elder character and a fresh one, result being a bad experience for all of us!
All successful games have a strong pvp component and the main reason why they are so successful is that they are making easy for the new players to catch up. Gear is somewhat preset, skills are also balanced for it!
You, the ones that are making decisions, should really sit at a table and think this in more depth cause now u are going to start to spend more money balancing things because they are complicating way to much! Suggestion (i am pretty sure that one hundred people said that before) : Create another tab for our char, like the one with fashion, add pvp gear and items usable only in that tab similar to fashion (let us keep our visual from our pve gear) and create a dual spec cause pve and pvp are different things.