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Top 5 LESS useful skills for an edngame 100% PvE control wizard?
valeriob80
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I opened a similar thread for Trickster Rogue weeks ago and it helped me a lot. Since in this game we can take almost all the existing skills and have to discard just a few of them, which ones are in your opinion the ones to send into oblivion?
I know that every skill could be useful in specific situations and builds, but the bar has very limited slot and there are some that would likely never take place in it.
I'm not an expert CW at all, but will list the ones guides said less useful for PvE:
Arcane Presence, Chilling Presence (there are better ones to fill these slots)
Repel, Stormfury (mostly for pvp, not useful in pve)
Could you make your personal top5 of the skills you would leave out of a 100% PvE build? :-)
I know that every skill could be useful in specific situations and builds, but the bar has very limited slot and there are some that would likely never take place in it.
I'm not an expert CW at all, but will list the ones guides said less useful for PvE:
Arcane Presence, Chilling Presence (there are better ones to fill these slots)
Repel, Stormfury (mostly for pvp, not useful in pve)
Could you make your personal top5 of the skills you would leave out of a 100% PvE build? :-)
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Um, Draco?
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Which ones are for you the skills to discard?
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Repel along with Shield are most useful for pushing groups of mobs into cliffs, so it has uses on both environments. Also, Chilling Presence is one of our best Class Features because it raises damage up to 18% with all our magic, the only requirement is to generate chill stacks, which a handful of our spells are capable to, it's especially effective when you're using Oppressor path or many chill causing spells.
The almost never used skills are already mentioned by you: Arcane Presence is utter subpar compared to Chilling Presence, seeing how difficult is to maintain/create arcane stacks if you don't spam Magic Missile. Easier way to produce arcane stacks is with tab Entangling Force, and that can't be used on all situations. And Storm Fury causes a weak damage effect only when you are under half HP, making it unreasonable to slot in, comparing to other class features.
Personally, I can't use Storm Pillar for anything other than building AP out of Battle. It's just too bulky for constant use, so it goes into "useless" skills for me. I've seen people effectively using Maelstrom of Chaos, for defense and attack, so it has uses. But it's overshadowed by our many other more useful Dailies (Singularity, Oppressive Force, Ice Knife...).
Everything else in our grimoires can be greatly useful, IMO. ;D
Here is my list, but then again I am by no means an expert CW
1. Storm Fury - it is worthless
2. Orb of Imposition - way inferior compared to rest of the choices, after respeccing I only put the minimum required 1 pt into it, and never use it
3. Icy Rays - for PVE it kinda sucks, only really useful in PVP (IMO)
4. EITHER Chilling Cloud OR Magic Missile depending on whether you go down the Chill or Arcane path - you are only going to use one or the other as your main at-will, so the other one becomes useless to you (can't really say the same about Ray of Frost or Storm Pillar as they have uses other than as a main at-will).
5. Maelstrom of Chaos - I have not used it, but just reading about it, it seems roughly equivalent to Oppressive Force and Shard of the Endless Avalanche, so for me it is useless.
Storm Fury I totally agree with.
Orb of Imposition I have yet to find a situation where I'd slot it over another passive.
Icy Rays is fantastic in a single-target rotation for burning down Valindra or any other (admittedly rare) solo or duo boss. In all other PvE, yes, it's worthless.
Personally since I use Frozen Power Transfer, I don't have any use for Magic Missile. My other At-Will is usually Ray of Frost for the added Chill/Freeze and for how quickly it ticks and sets off procs.
Maelstrom is fun, but generally subpar. The problem is that targets are completely free to walk away from you before you finish casting, and thus they evade the entire payload of the spell. Needs a much wider radius or a slow/stun component to be truly viable. Oppressive Force has its uses; it's a happy middle ground when you want an AoE damage daily but don't want to scatter everything to the four corners. It's still a little messy, but the damage is decent, especially since it can proc Storm Spell multiple times as it ticks. I won't even go into the current bugs with these skills and HV :P
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Totally forgot about Orb of Imposition. Maybe because I run away from it automatically, so that I forgot it exists xD.
Repel is great for PVE. Put that sucker on tab and push everything off ledges (Pirate King DD, Rimehound, anything with a cliff, really).
Orb of Imposition was pretty worthless. Never used Sudden Storm of M. of Chaos. Chilling Presence? Not much use. Storm Fury was pretty lame too.
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So the skills that pretty much everyone would avoid are:
- Storm Fury
- Orb of Imposition
- Maelstrom of Chaos
Other skill mentioned are:
- Arcane Presence (what exactly does this skill? I can't understand my client's tooltip... maybe it's poorly translated. I'm going frost thaumaturge anyway, not arcane, so I think I can skip it... should I skip the Arcane Mastery feat too?)
- Storm Pillar (Magemyron mentioned it, anyone else agree? Pretty much everyone is using Chilling Cloud/Magic Missile/Ray of Frost if I'm not wrong, so it seems quite useless)
- Icy Rays (just for few bosses)
About Chilling Presence, it's a +3% for each stack right? But are the stacks lasting? I mean, would a mob have often 6 stacks on it or more likely 1-2 of them? Cause in those days, leveling my char up, I see they vanish so quickly... Evocation with a +15% on AoE all the time seems better...)
Sudden Storm has high damage but low AoE/range if I'm not wrong. It could be maybe useful with Singularity/Tabbed Entangling... no?
Thanks everyone for the help!! :-)
Storm Pillar can charge up your daily if you need it. No target needed.
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If you use a Thaumaturge build and Destructive Wizardry, you gain a 10% bonus to all damage for 5 seconds. Therefore I don't consider it useless.
Yes, but you do regularly need to be able to make maximum single target damage and Icy Rays on tab (Arcane Mastery slot) does the most single target damage.
Yes, that is exactly when and what it is used for, therefore making it an important spell for both main paragon feat trees (Renegade and Thaumaturge).
Sudden Storm used to be awful because the actual damage was significantly lower than the tooltip damage. On top of that, it couldn't crit at all.
Now that it deals full damage and can crit, it's amazing in PvE. The cone isn't huge, but it has no target cap and has a very low cooldown.
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If there are no really threatening big bads that need freezing(and are also CC-able) in a group then I'll put storm pillar in over ray of frost. Similar story if there's a lot of mobs that are CC resistant. Throw down a fully charged storm pillar once I've hit max chill stacks on them with chilling cloud and whatever encounter I'm using with it to stack chill(typically icy terrain or COI). The extra AOE damage from a charged storm pillar is better than the single target freeze imo.
We miss 20 points to take all skills at max level, avoiding those 4 I save 11 (Orb of Imposition is forced to 1 point), so I need 9 other points ^_^
Storm Pillar could be left at 1 if it's for out of combat AP charge pourpose, right? (-2)
Magic Missile could be left at 1 in a frost build (-2)
Then? 5 points
Shard of the Endless Avalanche maybe?
Chilling presence is real good in single shooter! If you use lots of ice based spells.
Storm pillar has damage boost with its feat and can charge your AP!
Tabbed Icy ray does awesome damage with its feat as well! Again in some single shooter case.
Shard of the endless avalanche is a must have if you ask me. But for NW classes I think CW is the one with the most usable feats/powers of all, it all depends on the way you play.
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For me personally I did:
Ice Storm 2
Magic Missile 2
Shield 1(only use for throwing)
Orb of Imposition 2
Shard is a must. With the Transcended Master at 5 on the Thaum tree both are very powerful powers for AOE and single target respectively.
Shield, Repel, Maelstorm of Chaos - utility spells with rare conditions and places to use.
All at-wills are usable and good. Most of passives usefull too.
RoE, tabbed Icy Rays, Chill Strike and CoI - best single target spells for thau (dunno about rene).
Sudden Storm, SotEA, Steal Time and tabbed Chill Strike (for rene) or tabbed CoI (for thau) - best AoE.
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Tabbed EF has something going for it as long as they don't tweak its AP generation (and they might not since it's actually part of the tooltip). However, I find that relatively few encounters in the game really need that much cowbell -er Singularity.
It's usually preferable to be using effective AoE damage/debuff spells in Tab, like CoI for Thaumaturge or Chill Strike for other. Tab EF is for when you really, truly must have as many Singularities as possible.
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Honestly, I prefer to play with certain people and if they don't like to play a cleric or a wizard, we make it work. We maybe could be faster, but that speed increase would be in the one digit percentage, IMHO.
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Powes: I have 4 points left, should I take Sudden Stor or Storm Spell? And if both, what else should I sacrifice?
Feats: I'd like to take Tempest magi too, but does it stacks with Tiefling racial trait (some topics says yes, some Others no)? If yes, what else should I remove for it?
Any other suggestion would be obviously appreciated :-)