Most T2 boss exploits have been fixed, the methods to down bosses are generally as intended. Tricking the spider queen to jump into apit, catching a dragon in a gate etc.. Sound methods.
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chidy1776Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2013
I run almost strictly guild parties. Im a 14k gf that doesnt rush and uses minimal shortcuts. My guildies know when they run with me itll take an extra 10mins but we enjoy it way more. Rising star on mindflager if u play that server hit me up. Paul@chidy1776
Paul 60 guardian fighter on mindflayer.
Rising Star, fun friendly, community focused guild on mindflayer. We strive to help each other and enjoy the game together. Talk to me for info, or feel free to check and join our community at risingstarneverwinter.enjin.com
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The fact that you think GWF aoe dps is meaningful speaks volumes. I even wrote a guide on how to do it.
lol you have the best cw on the server? We do -- his name is Blackthorn@eshkadeth. Come play with us and watch.
if your gwf dps is even remotely comparable to his then clearly this is not the case. I can't. I'm millions behind. But, he leaves everybody in the dust. The next closest CW I saw to him in a full run was so far behind.
The only way gwf dps even registers is if the cw's are sacrificing their dps (and the rest of the groups) by using sing instead of OF and limiting the use of shard, so that mobs are constantly stacked on top of one another for gwf to take advantage. If the CW gives up millions of damage so that the GWF can do a few hundred thousand more every pull then yeah, kill enough mobs and eventually GWF top dps (or competitive for it). Like I said before, Elite/High End CW can out dps GWF. However, we are more valuable than a TR.
Yes CWs are very broken right now which is why this is the case, however ignoring this and playing like they are not invalidates everything your saying about how quickly you clear things or about how leet your gwf/cws are. We are not responsible for the feywild patch or the shift in content focus that came with it (as you point out, malabogs) which instead of helping GWFs, further overpowered CWs. It's not our fault that the best group makeup right now is 5 CWs, or if the CWs are lazy, 4CWs and a DC, or if the dungeon includes a significant speed element involving a stealth skip, 4 CWs and a TR. Take it down to lfg pug level and 1 TR, 1 DC, 3 CW. If fulminorax dropped a guaranteed purple instead of 34 silver for the effort invested in killing him then you'd see the gwf added to the mandatory list for MC, and people actually running 3/3. But since he doesn't, you're not. This whole section is hilarious. I love when I'm on my healer and I join a party that is all CW and they die on the first pull because they all get 1 shotted.
The fact that you think lightning > vorpal for anything other than an frost spec'd cw is kinda heh as well. Vorpal is a joke for PVE for GWF. You need at least a greater lightning for the 2x proc for it to be worth it though. It just shows you how much you don't know.
I agree that a large number of players that use short cuts only do so because that's all they know. I also agree that a staggering large number of players are simply bad. But to say all or even 95% of the ones who shortcut are weak or bad players is bs. That staggering large number of players who are bad? That includes short cutters and "legit" style all the same. A lot of players are bad, period.
We can clear everything "legit" burning down everything leeroy style clearing dungeons in <20min because we're good, geared, and have done it a million times. But outside of guild/friend runs, add a few pugs from lfg and it's just easier to take what shortcuts are readily available and hard for newbs to #%! up doing.
I put several comments in red beside your ignorant comments. At the end of the day, cheating is cheating. Great players won't cheat.
True, but given the nature of humans, you either have to make it "hard" for people to do it the right way or people WILL choose the easiest way possible (when they can)
Can everyone be rich? sure! for some it takes a lot of work (school, jobs, business, and luck) or REALLY luck like winning to Lotto (which proves my point that people willing to invest some to hope to make it big. Gambling is in the blood for some)
If the devs want people to run the Dungeon "Legit" (per original post) then they CAN fix it by doing it similar to Foundry. They could even have "locked" gate that cannot be pass until previous boss is taken down etc etc. As long the shortcut mechanics exist in the game, people will use it. Notice that some exploits/bugs (like nightmare boxes fiasco) was fix REALLY fast (because it cost them money) and some are not.
I am not saying doing a total dungeon creation, I'm suggesting using the CURRENT tools to fix it (again I'm using the Foundry as an example)
Yes dungeon quests should be redesigned, that would be the best solution, but afaik, they only plan to add invisible walls, to give cheaters another opportunity to play super mario for a couple of hours after clearing the dungeon to find new holes that will take several weeks to identify and fix.
I think they are completely unaware of the amount of broken geometry in the game. I have even found a way to cross every single invisible wall in game this week... That's silly, but still, they add more broken stuff to fix broken stuff.
Another failed DD yesterday for me: I tried to queue for ONE hour for either Karrundax or Spider. I was put several times into parties only to find myself ALL THE TIME in groups where people wanted to glitch the dungeon right at the start (using wall exploits) or 5 minutes later (dying somewhere to respawn somewhere deeper in the map).
Seriously what is going on with this game if you can't play any epic dungeon in a pug anymore where people don't want use glitches already at the beginning? I wasted 60 minutes yesterday and could not finish one dungeon in DD time. Makes me sick, really.
And in LFG chat 90% of the people are only looking these days for speedruns and "xped" people - and we all know by now that xped means, knowing the glitches, using exploits and shortcutting the dungeon whenever possible.
Even the best developmer can't fix the broken mindset of the majority of players. I think most of the players haven't understood that the main problem is not a buggy game but people massively exploiting the bugs.
Another failed DD yesterday for me: I tried to queue for ONE hour for either Karrundax or Spider. I was put several times into parties only to find myself ALL THE TIME in groups where people wanted to glitch the dungeon right at the start (using wall exploits) or 5 minutes later (dying somewhere to respawn somewhere deeper in the map).
Seriously what is going on with this game if you can't play any epic dungeon in a pug anymore where people don't want use glitches already at the beginning? I wasted 60 minutes yesterday and could not finish one dungeon in DD time. Makes me sick, really.
And in LFG chat 90% of the people are only looking these days for speedruns and "xped" people - and we all know by now that xped means, knowing the glitches, using exploits and shortcutting the dungeon whenever possible.
Even the best developmer can't fix the broken mindset of the majority of players. I think most of the players haven't understood that the main problem is not a buggy game but people massively exploiting the bugs.
wOw what a self centered bigot, how about saying that you wasted 60mins. of four other human beings in your party by your ignorance and refusal to learn the map that is design to be finish on specific time. LOL.
180 damage? Far from it. Anyways, if you are doing 113k damage in 7 seconds why bother cliff tossing?
180 damage is from one swing or one proc, I added it up with multiple procs, you obviously didn't read... 18% of 1k is 180, so unless you have fomorian greatsword then your's hits for less than 180 actually. I have greater lightning on a different character not my CW, I tested a lesser lightning on my CW and it still did amazing damage.
@diogene and anyone else who calls everyone that doesn't see things their way a troll: You can run dungeons however you want. You can form guilds with like minded people and do everything exactly how you like to do it. What you can't do is dictate to everyone else what they have to be doing or else they're a cheater/troll/exploiter etc. The crowd that is for "legit" runs only are the real elitists that preach to everyone else how garbage and pathetic they are for not doing dungeons their way.
I just don't have hours on end to run dungeons every day so thank you cryptic for programming the game in a way that I am able to get some dungeons in on my limited play time schedule, this is one of the many reasons that you have my continued business since day 1 of open beta.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
As of right now, NO GUILD = DON'T BOTHER. It's a **** shame.
Lol I've successfully pugged FH, Karru, Spell, and Spider multiple times since patch. Maybe if every group you join fails it is the common denominator that is the problem.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
180 damage is from one swing or one proc, I added it up with multiple procs, you obviously didn't read... 18% of 1k is 180, so unless you have fomorian greatsword then your's hits for less than 180 actually. I have greater lightning on a different character not my CW, I tested a lesser lightning on my CW and it still did amazing damage.
@diogene and anyone else who calls everyone that doesn't see things their way a troll: You can run dungeons however you want. You can form guilds with like minded people and do everything exactly how you like to do it. What you can't do is dictate to everyone else what they have to be doing or else they're a cheater/troll/exploiter etc. The crowd that is for "legit" runs only are the real elitists that preach to everyone else how garbage and pathetic they are for not doing dungeons their way.
I just don't have hours on end to run dungeons every day so thank you cryptic for programming the game in a way that I am able to get some dungeons in on my limited play time schedule, this is one of the many reasons that you have my continued business since day 1 of open beta.
Sadly, other people dont see it that way, but for me, who is also has OTHER LIFE besides this game thanks Cryptic for playing games that i can finish when im bored, i can do a lot more like physical exercise and do other stuff after working hours.
If you wish to be stuck on dungeon runs for hours, please do it, but dont drag the rest of us to your idea of how we run dungeons that are design to be finish in specific time frame. THank you. LOL.
wOw what a self centered bigot, how about saying that you wasted 60mins. of four other human beings in your party by your ignorance and refusal to learn the map that is design to be finish on specific time. LOL.
ROFL! is this irony now or do you mean that seriously?
"LEARN" the map??? so now you call glitching the map learning??? are you a ten year old kid or what's your problem? why do you even play this game in the fist place when all you preach is that cheating is the way the game should be played? players like you should be banned without warning. no loss for anyone.
ROFL! is this irony now or do you mean that seriously?
"LEARN" the map??? so now you call glitching the map learning??? are you a ten year old kid or what's your problem? why do you even play this game in the fist place when all you preach is that cheating is the way the game should be played? players like you should be banned without warning. no loss for anyone.
Glitching and Exploit are cheating... but speedrun and shortcut are NOT and is completely legal. Question is what is illegal and legal on this game, the illegal are being patch and the legal ones are NOT. so if the shortcut is there for months end, then it is legal and play the map as what it is intended to be. lol.
Glitching and Exploit are cheating... but speedrun and shortcut are NOT and is completely legal. Question is what is illegal and legal on this game, the illegal are being patch and the legal ones are NOT. so if the shortcut is there for months end, then it is legal and play the map as what it is intended to be. lol.
It's not. They tried to fix most of the skips in frozen heart, karrundax and spider several times. People found a workaround, although it's pretty clear the devs don't want to see any major shortcut in game. Saying the opposite is hypocrisy. If you have any doubt, please check the patchnotes.
I was running a pug the other day and the folks were like 'Oops, they plugged that path, darn they fixed that path...we will have to fight our way through' I was a bit delighted to have to fight through. Our second run, we simply fought through again and it took us less time than when we were trying to 'Speed run'.
I beleive that the last patch stated they were changing add spawns in Pirate Instance. To me, it looks like the writing is on the wall and the devs are listening to us, i.e. patching the holes and addressing how it is often impossible for a Que party to run much of the DD content.
As pointed out, everyone has different play styles. In DDO you saw Party ques that stated 'Zerg...' or 'No zerging,...' but the thing is, you could form a group in an actual interface, find a random party of like minded people. This interface addresses most this argument. It allows people of incompatible play styles to avoid each other.
I wish we could get a similar interface for forming a party.
I was running a pug the other day and the folks were like 'Oops, they plugged that path, darn they fixed that path...we will have to fight our way through' I was a bit delighted to have to fight through. Our second run, we simply fought through again and it took us less time than when we were trying to 'Speed run'.
I beleive that the last patch stated they were changing add spawns in Pirate Instance. To me, it looks like the writing is on the wall and the devs are listening to us, i.e. patching the holes and addressing how it is often impossible for a Que party to run much of the DD content.
As pointed out, everyone has different play styles. In DDO you saw Party ques that stated 'Zerg...' or 'No zerging,...' but the thing is, you could form a group in an actual interface, find a random party of like minded people. This interface addresses most this argument. It allows people of incompatible play styles to avoid each other.
I wish we could get a similar interface for forming a party.
Ok obviously if you try and then fail to speed run and then clear normally it's slower than if you just clear normally, duh.
There are vast amounts of shortcuts that have been in the game since the beginning of open beta, if they still haven't fixed them at this point then it doesn't bother me in the least to shave 10 minutes off of my dungeon run using it, it obviously hasn't bothered them much in 4 months...
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We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Ok obviously if you try and then fail to speed run and then clear normally it's slower than if you just clear normally, duh.
There are vast amounts of shortcuts that have been in the game since the beginning of open beta, if they still haven't fixed them at this point then it doesn't bother me in the least to shave 10 minutes off of my dungeon run using it, it obviously hasn't bothered them much in 4 months...
How about my suggestion I have made before. You want to save time and cheat at the same time. Here is the best solution:
1. Move all exploiters/cheaters to their own shard
2. Make DD 24 hours a day
3. When you zone in to any T2/MC/CN, the bosses are right at the beginning
4. They will stand there and not attack you
5. Any damage will automatically 1 shot them
6. They will drop full t2 set of your choice
Problem solved. This is the level of play that all the cheaters are looking for.
How about my suggestion I have made before. You want to save time and cheat at the same time. Here is the best solution:
1. Move all exploiters/cheaters to their own shard
2. Make DD 24 hours a day
3. When you zone in to any T2/MC/CN, the bosses are right at the beginning
4. They will stand there and not attack you
5. Any damage will automatically 1 shot them
6. They will drop full t2 set of your choice
Problem solved. This is the level of play that all the cheaters are looking for.
LOL, your guild would be the only ones left in the regular server. Although that wouldn't bother you much huh? You would just run around telling NPC's how hardcore and pro you are b/c you are so straightedge and legit.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
LOL, your guild would be the only ones left in the regular server. Although that wouldn't bother you much huh? You would just run around telling NPC's how hardcore and pro you are b/c you are so straightedge and legit.
The sad part is you might be right. I know of a few other guilds that have the same level of respect for the game... but not many these days.
pers3phoneBanned Users, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited September 2013
seisem2, you seem so very on a vendetta mission against cheaters. Why don't you concentrate your efforts on the devs instead of the players? This is a cause/symptom issue: dungeons very easily exploitable (cause), players cheating (symptom). Fix cause, not symptom, because humans will always seek gratification, and always choose path of least resistance.
And you generalizing that cheaters are bad players is so very wrong and just personal opinion. Few skip mobs and take shortcuts because they cannot deal with it; it's a matter of simple efficiency. Again, for those in doubt, please run stuff like MC, CN or SP with cheaters, and pay attention at them, you will find that when it comes to inevitable mob ***-kicking (such as in MC), or prolonged and rather difficult non-exploitable boss fights (such as in MC and SP), the cheaters will do just as well as other players do in avearge, if not better, because they have seen the encounter lots and lots of times.
This post is not to defend cheating, it is to defend reality.
seisem2, you seem so very on a vendetta mission against cheaters. Why don't you concentrate your efforts on the devs instead of the players? This is a cause/symptom issue: dungeons very easily exploitable (cause), players cheating (symptom). Fix cause, not symptom, because humans will always seek gratification, and always choose path of least resistance.
And you generalizing that cheaters are bad players is so very wrong and just personal opinion. Few skip mobs and take shortcuts because they cannot deal with it; it's a matter of simple efficiency. Again, for those in doubt, please run stuff like MC, CN or SP with cheaters, and pay attention at them, you will find that when it comes to inevitable mob ***-kicking (such as in MC), or prolonged and rather difficult non-exploitable boss fights (such as in MC and SP), the cheaters will do just as well as other players do in avearge, if not better, because they have seen the encounter lots and lots of times.
This post is not to defend cheating, it is to defend reality.
Well spoken. My posts often devolve into flame when dealing with ignorant people lol, but these are my thoughts exactly.
Guild Master of <Enemy Team>
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
seisem2, you seem so very on a vendetta mission against cheaters. Why don't you concentrate your efforts on the devs instead of the players? This is a cause/symptom issue: dungeons very easily exploitable (cause), players cheating (symptom). Fix cause, not symptom, because humans will always seek gratification, and always choose path of least resistance.
And you generalizing that cheaters are bad players is so very wrong and just personal opinion. Few skip mobs and take shortcuts because they cannot deal with it; it's a matter of simple efficiency. Again, for those in doubt, please run stuff like MC, CN or SP with cheaters, and pay attention at them, you will find that when it comes to inevitable mob ***-kicking (such as in MC), or prolonged and rather difficult non-exploitable boss fights (such as in MC and SP), the cheaters will do just as well as other players do in avearge, if not better, because they have seen the encounter lots and lots of times.
This post is not to defend cheating, it is to defend reality.
The developers can only do so much. It all comes down to the player that chooses to cheat or not. A shopkeeper could forget to lock his door at night, but it is up to the person to decide if they want to break in or not.
I do generalize cheaters as bad players because that is what we have directly seen. Being one of the leaders of a true non exploit guild on our server, we frequently get players who didn't know how to actually play the game because every run they were in was with exploiters. Every player that we have also brought in as a pug (before the dragon legit channel) that wanted to cheat during a run turned out to be a bad player (stupid deaths, horrible dps, etc). The best players that I have seen on Dragon (in terms of dps, play style, efficiency, etc) have been legit players.
I've seen more encounters/dungeons than you and probably 2 other cheaters combined -- yet I still clear it the legit way and still don't have to cheat. Like I said before, the cheaters want to put in no effort into this game but yet get maximum rewards.
At the end of the day, I can't control what happens. If the cheaters want to do their exploits and cheat, that is on them. We now have a community of non exploit players to pull from and our guild is growing every day. One day when all the cheating/exploits is fixed (and eventually it will be), the cheaters will be on the outside looking in.
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Rising Star, fun friendly, community focused guild on mindflayer. We strive to help each other and enjoy the game together. Talk to me for info, or feel free to check and join our community at risingstarneverwinter.enjin.com
I put several comments in red beside your ignorant comments. At the end of the day, cheating is cheating. Great players won't cheat.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
Yes dungeon quests should be redesigned, that would be the best solution, but afaik, they only plan to add invisible walls, to give cheaters another opportunity to play super mario for a couple of hours after clearing the dungeon to find new holes that will take several weeks to identify and fix.
I think they are completely unaware of the amount of broken geometry in the game. I have even found a way to cross every single invisible wall in game this week... That's silly, but still, they add more broken stuff to fix broken stuff.
Seriously what is going on with this game if you can't play any epic dungeon in a pug anymore where people don't want use glitches already at the beginning? I wasted 60 minutes yesterday and could not finish one dungeon in DD time. Makes me sick, really.
And in LFG chat 90% of the people are only looking these days for speedruns and "xped" people - and we all know by now that xped means, knowing the glitches, using exploits and shortcutting the dungeon whenever possible.
Even the best developmer can't fix the broken mindset of the majority of players. I think most of the players haven't understood that the main problem is not a buggy game but people massively exploiting the bugs.
wOw what a self centered bigot, how about saying that you wasted 60mins. of four other human beings in your party by your ignorance and refusal to learn the map that is design to be finish on specific time. LOL.
180 damage is from one swing or one proc, I added it up with multiple procs, you obviously didn't read... 18% of 1k is 180, so unless you have fomorian greatsword then your's hits for less than 180 actually. I have greater lightning on a different character not my CW, I tested a lesser lightning on my CW and it still did amazing damage.
@diogene and anyone else who calls everyone that doesn't see things their way a troll: You can run dungeons however you want. You can form guilds with like minded people and do everything exactly how you like to do it. What you can't do is dictate to everyone else what they have to be doing or else they're a cheater/troll/exploiter etc. The crowd that is for "legit" runs only are the real elitists that preach to everyone else how garbage and pathetic they are for not doing dungeons their way.
I just don't have hours on end to run dungeons every day so thank you cryptic for programming the game in a way that I am able to get some dungeons in on my limited play time schedule, this is one of the many reasons that you have my continued business since day 1 of open beta.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Lol I've successfully pugged FH, Karru, Spell, and Spider multiple times since patch. Maybe if every group you join fails it is the common denominator that is the problem.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Sadly, other people dont see it that way, but for me, who is also has OTHER LIFE besides this game thanks Cryptic for playing games that i can finish when im bored, i can do a lot more like physical exercise and do other stuff after working hours.
If you wish to be stuck on dungeon runs for hours, please do it, but dont drag the rest of us to your idea of how we run dungeons that are design to be finish in specific time frame. THank you. LOL.
ROFL! is this irony now or do you mean that seriously?
"LEARN" the map??? so now you call glitching the map learning??? are you a ten year old kid or what's your problem? why do you even play this game in the fist place when all you preach is that cheating is the way the game should be played? players like you should be banned without warning. no loss for anyone.
Glitching and Exploit are cheating... but speedrun and shortcut are NOT and is completely legal. Question is what is illegal and legal on this game, the illegal are being patch and the legal ones are NOT. so if the shortcut is there for months end, then it is legal and play the map as what it is intended to be. lol.
It's not. They tried to fix most of the skips in frozen heart, karrundax and spider several times. People found a workaround, although it's pretty clear the devs don't want to see any major shortcut in game. Saying the opposite is hypocrisy. If you have any doubt, please check the patchnotes.
I beleive that the last patch stated they were changing add spawns in Pirate Instance. To me, it looks like the writing is on the wall and the devs are listening to us, i.e. patching the holes and addressing how it is often impossible for a Que party to run much of the DD content.
As pointed out, everyone has different play styles. In DDO you saw Party ques that stated 'Zerg...' or 'No zerging,...' but the thing is, you could form a group in an actual interface, find a random party of like minded people. This interface addresses most this argument. It allows people of incompatible play styles to avoid each other.
I wish we could get a similar interface for forming a party.
Ok obviously if you try and then fail to speed run and then clear normally it's slower than if you just clear normally, duh.
There are vast amounts of shortcuts that have been in the game since the beginning of open beta, if they still haven't fixed them at this point then it doesn't bother me in the least to shave 10 minutes off of my dungeon run using it, it obviously hasn't bothered them much in 4 months...
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
How about my suggestion I have made before. You want to save time and cheat at the same time. Here is the best solution:
1. Move all exploiters/cheaters to their own shard
2. Make DD 24 hours a day
3. When you zone in to any T2/MC/CN, the bosses are right at the beginning
4. They will stand there and not attack you
5. Any damage will automatically 1 shot them
6. They will drop full t2 set of your choice
Problem solved. This is the level of play that all the cheaters are looking for.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
LOL, your guild would be the only ones left in the regular server. Although that wouldn't bother you much huh? You would just run around telling NPC's how hardcore and pro you are b/c you are so straightedge and legit.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
The sad part is you might be right. I know of a few other guilds that have the same level of respect for the game... but not many these days.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
And you generalizing that cheaters are bad players is so very wrong and just personal opinion. Few skip mobs and take shortcuts because they cannot deal with it; it's a matter of simple efficiency. Again, for those in doubt, please run stuff like MC, CN or SP with cheaters, and pay attention at them, you will find that when it comes to inevitable mob ***-kicking (such as in MC), or prolonged and rather difficult non-exploitable boss fights (such as in MC and SP), the cheaters will do just as well as other players do in avearge, if not better, because they have seen the encounter lots and lots of times.
This post is not to defend cheating, it is to defend reality.
Well spoken. My posts often devolve into flame when dealing with ignorant people lol, but these are my thoughts exactly.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
The developers can only do so much. It all comes down to the player that chooses to cheat or not. A shopkeeper could forget to lock his door at night, but it is up to the person to decide if they want to break in or not.
I do generalize cheaters as bad players because that is what we have directly seen. Being one of the leaders of a true non exploit guild on our server, we frequently get players who didn't know how to actually play the game because every run they were in was with exploiters. Every player that we have also brought in as a pug (before the dragon legit channel) that wanted to cheat during a run turned out to be a bad player (stupid deaths, horrible dps, etc). The best players that I have seen on Dragon (in terms of dps, play style, efficiency, etc) have been legit players.
I've seen more encounters/dungeons than you and probably 2 other cheaters combined -- yet I still clear it the legit way and still don't have to cheat. Like I said before, the cheaters want to put in no effort into this game but yet get maximum rewards.
At the end of the day, I can't control what happens. If the cheaters want to do their exploits and cheat, that is on them. We now have a community of non exploit players to pull from and our guild is growing every day. One day when all the cheating/exploits is fixed (and eventually it will be), the cheaters will be on the outside looking in.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting