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carletto75
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Hi all,
what do you think about to adds the Enchanted Key as a random rewards, for Dungeons 9200?
what do you think about to adds the Enchanted Key as a random rewards, for Dungeons 9200?
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I like the idea to put keys in somewhere, but don't forget it's a 40-45k AD valuable item. I don't like the idea to make it a random reward, but rather have it as a fixed reward from something.
I like F2P games with item mall, but if they do not make essential things available in game through gameplay there is nothing which proofs the game to be F2P.
Simple example, besides the fact there is a small chance on getting green assets (person) in game there is zero chance to get green assets (item) in game. It's than required to buy them from the Zen house or from other players.
F2P for me means; make all content and items available for even those who don't spend a penny.
WHAT IF: nobody buys Zen, than Enchanted Keys are simply NOT available in the game ... or am I missing something?
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there is one quest in neverdeath around levels 28-30 where you get a professions bonus pack as a reward. in that pack you have a chance to get a green, blue or purple professions asset. with my last two characters, i received a blue crucible and a blue platesmith. however these items are not required to progress in the game and you can level your professions to 20 using the free options we have. however if you want your professions to actually get you anything, then you should acquire some good assets.
as far as in-game zen is concerned, you can get zen from paying for it with your credit card or paypal or you can exchange astral diamonds for zen. the rate last time i checked was around 340AD per 1 zen. at 125z per one key, that would cost you around 42.5k astral diamonds. also, you should always check the current exchange rate before you buy zen items for AD from other players because it might be cheaper to just exchange your AD to zen and buy whatever items from the zen store.
as for the possibility of enchanted key drops... i'm not sure we'll see that happening any time soon. that lockbox is probably a pretty decent cash cow for pwe. if keys had a very slim chance to drop then it's possible but when you make keys a drop-able item, wouldn't that open them up to exploitation?
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I believe you misunderstood what I been saying. I am aware of where you can get Zen and how you can get it in game. As a matter of fact, I do that myself as well since I am not that patience from time to time so I pay the bill for that.
Fact is, this game is not F2P for the whole content. Also I am aware of the fact it's all allowed by law, companies like Cryptic think about that twice and well enough. Fact is, you can simply not get the high end gear which is available right now if there was nobody who spend real cash on Zen, those are facts and you can do nothing in any word to deny that.
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That's what I mean by they covered it all up if it gets to the law ;-)
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With all due respect, I don't *ever* remember hearing/reading that *all* of the content was F2P.
What content do you have to pay to access?
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valid thought, but they are never going to make keys just drop randomly.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
That doesn't make sense. What do you mean?
High end gear are from dungeons. I don't see any high end gear you can buy directly with Zen. AD doesn't really count because it takes PLAYERS to put those high end gear on the AH in the first place.
Most of the Zen stuff are cosmetic. The only exception I can see are the mounts.
While many people don't agree with F2P model, it is a system that works. There are people out there who don't mind dropping a LOT of money to buy Zen and then in turn by Keys, mounts, bags etc and put on market to get AD. There are MORE players who don't want to pay at all and can gain access to all the goodies without having to pay.
The system works because there is no entry cost (which CAN limit who can play)
Entry cost can be the following.
Box cost - this can be a factor if someone doesn't want to pay to play (i.e. paying for the game initially)
Subscription cost - this model is slowly dying due to the fact that many company is going with F2P model
Pay 2 Win - you can't advance AT ALL unless you pay. There are some games out there but not many.
Free to play model is great because it cost you nothing (well nothing extra except time and standard PC, utility and internet bill) to play. You can download the game and try it out. You can get everything you need if you spend enough time. There are people who are willing to shell out some money to get some perks, but some shell out a LOT and some none at all. This open up the player base to anyone who are interested in the game.
This is how the company stay afloat (or make huge profit as F2P shown it can be profitable)
Some call it "Pay to Advance" I usually call it "Pay for Convenience"
note: high speed mount is not crucial for NW due to being a small enclosed world. If it is open like WoW size, I can see why high speed mount would be important.
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*Anything* that rewards ADs also indirectly rewards you with keys - if you so choose to convert said ADs into Zen, then spend those Zen on keys. The thing is, the AH prices are set by the players, so while a particular piece may sell for 100's of thousands of AD, the game may only assign it a salvage value of 8K RADs. No single item or event within the game gives you 10's of thousands of AD (the approx price of a key).
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You can get up to purple crafting assets from completing a specific quest. You can get a blue companion by trading in Drake seals. The current event allows you to earn with 100% certainty a green companion and green mount. You have to work for the companion, but for the mount you just have to show up. The last event gave you a chance at a blue companion.
There are opportunities to get better assets in the game without spending money, and you can play all content in the game without spending money. Real money speeds things up, but it is not a requirement to "win" at all.
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consider also that Feywild Lockbox isn't offer the same rewards by the great Nightmare Lockbox... the proof was the returning items unsold on AH... Nightmare Box can rewards you with Plague Fire and Tenebrous enchantment and the Leader Ship Pack (amazing!)... so I'm not interested to buy key for Feywild Box, maybe by a drop on specific timed events
enchanted keys are not a part of any storyline or in-game progression. it's a fun thing to do, you could possibly win some cool items... you could win some useful items. leveling your two free characters to 60, you find free gear all along the way, free copper... free rough AD from daily quests. you can play pvp for free. you can find free enchantments and runestones. free professions mats. free potions and identity scrolls. you can continue past level 60 to sharandar and gauntlegrym for free. continue to find free rare blues. you can use pvp-earned glory to get your first epic set of gear. for free. if you continue in this fashion, you could very well earn any high end anything in this game. all you need to do is set your mind to it. in the upcoming weeks, you can look for me on mindflayer with my in-game earned dusk unicorn. will it cost me $40? nope. it'll be free. i have best in slot gear that was free. i'm saving up to get higher rank enchants. i'll be fusing those together with preservation wards that i've purchased with zen exchanged from in-game earned AD. and later on, coalescent wards that i've either bought with in-game earned currency or paid for with the seven free celestial coins i get for invoking once a day.
have i spent money on this game? of course i have. my initial decision to get the guardian pack was mostly because i couldn't believe a game of this caliber was FREE and i just had to support it. it was about the same price as any new game on the market. and i couldn't pay a monthly subscription for it. and i have bought zen, but nothing that i have purchased with that zen was required for me to be able to play or to win.
That's fine - there's nothing "essential" in those lockboxes. (Big part of the reason I'm confused by the people posting "man, I have to buy 20 keys a day to open these things - boxes shouldn't drop so much!" threads. Don't open them, then. /shrug)
Also, these games are far more cash-shop-accessible than the majority of f2p games - in most of those games, you can't earn any cash shop currency in-game. Only way to get it is to spend $. STO and Neverwinter, yeah I spent a little $ at the beginning of playing each, but in the time since I've gained at least $200-300 of zen via in-game actions (combined, both games. STO is much easier to get zen in).
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Having said that a one time quest chain at 60 to give you a key would not be a horrid idea either.
Just kidding, I love the idea.
I mean even if you make those keys BoP, just no way.
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The "closest" thing I can see they "may" be doing would be similar to Marvel Heroes. They have "shards" that drop from end dungeons/super bosses. With enough shards, they can buy heroes (usually from 4$ to $11 each) or other items (store items) but some heroes require 400 shards which can take a bit of time to get (I can't remember the average on that)
Other MMO have done something similar that could drop a token and you can use your token to buy stuff (store items) but limited. I guess you could do that with Keys but that WOULD cut into profit (maybe can earn a key per month? I don't know)
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