I've had quite a few years, but I always say that it's never too late to learn. Therefore I would like to thank you, also thanks to you that I have learned the new important thing.
Now I know, that my money spended on this game are useless to you - I recognize it after your respect for honest paying players!
I spent quite a lot of money unnecessarily for buying keys, but now know, that was wrong way...!
Because this game I like, probably I will give her any more money, but in different way. Dedicating them to the Wise People, who know how to make own business in the game - to the admiration of others... (Enjoy it!) :mad:
I find this Wise People and buy from them how cheaply acquired AD.
Yes, I believe that they should leave all "gained" nightmare horses - for the right to the prize to belong! They were wise, and I was stupid and naive...
I believed that good playing - is to play fair. oh, my God...?!
I doubt much of anybody here will forget anything. What I'll be curious to know is how many just go back to playing and how many we stop seeing because they left altogether over this cruddy situation. I suspect in the very least, it's going to hurt the company's wallet even for those of us who do continue playing.
I doubt much of anybody here will forget anything. What I'll be curious to know is how many just go back to playing and how many we stop seeing because they left altogether over this cruddy situation. I suspect in the very least, it's going to hurt the company's wallet even for those of us who do continue playing.
Right now I'm fighting like hell to keep playing but these recent decisions their making is making it difficult to enjoy NW. Right now the only motivation I have to log in is I want that 360 day invoke coin angel pet.:)
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So umm i go on Holiday for two weeks, only to come back and see that the Mount i desperately have been trying to get since launch(got around 1500 trade bars, with an average of 10 bars pr. chest u do the math...) apperently have been handed out like candy due to an exploit, and the official response is:" Lots of people exploted a bug, but we dont care since we made Money!" Guess the joke is on me...
6am monday cali time atm, so the dev's should be back in like 4 hours i guess, or more importantly hope the higher up's who boss them around see these threads and comments and the ton of emails i can only imaging there receiving, and hope the pressures on for a real solution. but meh, i shall not hold my breathe.
WOW was fun for a while but when I tried the active combat of DDO and loved it. But eventually I got tired of the exploits every few months that I eventually felt there was not that much reason to try the endgame. Ironically I ended up playing Neverwinter.....
But, on the plus side, at least the recent decision by the management to let this latest exploit go as just 'lucky', has at least made sure that I won't spend any more money on this game....
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sarranspMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
So umm i go on Holiday for two weeks, only to come back and see that the Mount i desperately have been trying to get since launch(got around 1500 trade bars, with an average of 10 bars pr. chest u do the math...) apperently have been handed out like candy due to an exploit, and the official response is:" Lots of people exploted a bug, but we dont care since we made Money!" Guess the joke is on me...
Except they are selling for over 800k right now on mindflayer.
You are assuming everybody will rush to sell them at once. People are not stupid and they will horde them selling off a mount only when the price has risen to near previous amounts.
2 weeks ago when I was buying my first mount I considered the nightmare mount and at that time with a little patience you could get one for 650k, with a little luck and for 700k no problem.
They are listed at that price, that doesn't mean they are selling. Maybe a few are, but a lot of them are just taking up space and will be re-listed over and over. Also at 800k AD, that would be about the same price (2000 Zen or $20 US) as most of the similar mounts in the Zen store. So a lot of those mounts will never sell at the current price, and will slowly be dropped down, not by much though. Also some will be given to alts when they don't sell, further reducing the supply. Many of the exploiters really won't benefit all that much from the little time they had to start opening boxes.
Possibly true, but the real issue here is Cryptic's attitude towards exploiters. Personally I've be much less angry if they had at least said "you got lucky, enjoy the horses, no roll backs but the next time something like this happens in comes the ban hammer." But they actually patted them on the back, didn't revert the problem at all, didn't say they were sorry for the mistake and it's impact, and more importantly treated it like it was no big deal and they don't care. I personally don't care about the AH, don't care about making AD or paying others insanely high prices for items. I barely used the lockboxes and when I did the mount wasn't what I was hoping for, but I am ashamed that they would congratulate cheaters in any form while not taking a stance to assure fair players it's a real issue like every other gaming company would.
They are listed at that price, that doesn't mean they are selling. Maybe a few are, but a lot of them are just taking up space and will be re-listed over and over. Also at 800k AD, that would be about the same price (2000 Zen or $20 US) as most of the similar mounts in the Zen store. So a lot of those mounts will never sell at the current price, and will slowly be dropped down, not by much though. Also some will be given to alts when they don't sell, further reducing the supply. Many of the exploiters really won't benefit all that much from the little time they had to start opening boxes.
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tripsofthrymrMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,624Community Moderator
but the real issue here is Cryptic's attitude towards exploiters. Personally I've be much less angry if they had at least said "you got lucky, enjoy the horses, no roll backs but the next time something like this happens in comes the ban hammer." But they actually patted them on the back, didn't revert the problem at all, didn't say they were sorry for the mistake and it's impact, and more importantly treated it like it was no big deal and they don't care.
Possibly true, but the real issue here is Cryptic's attitude towards exploiters. Personally I've be much less angry if they had at least said "you got lucky, enjoy the horses, no roll backs but the next time something like this happens in comes the ban hammer." But they actually patted them on the back, didn't revert the problem at all, didn't say they were sorry for the mistake and it's impact, and more importantly treated it like it was no big deal and they don't care. I personally don't care about the AH, don't care about making AD or paying others insanely high prices for items. I barely used the lockboxes and when I did the mount wasn't what I was hoping for, but I am ashamed that they would congratulate cheaters in any form while not taking a stance to assure fair players it's a real issue like every other gaming company would.
This is the issue, exactly. It doesn't matter how many lockboxes you've opened (I am ashamed to say that I have spent quite a bit of money on keys to both support the game and open lockboxes) it's about the ethical issue of supporting exploitation, especially considering they knew of the bug and did nothing about it.
How is this an exploit? People get so mad over other people's "luck" just because they didn't get 3 nightmare mounts. I had no clue this was going on and didn't benefit from it at all, but just b/c someone got a 33% chance at a nightmare for a couple hours b/c of cryptics mistake doesn't make them a dirty cheater for crying out loud.
Did you really expect cryptic to say "we messed up, all of you that got horses are SOL we're taking it all back" thats dumb. They did the right thing.
I'm sure that this won't happen again as there are 600 hate posts about it, but why do people jump all over something someone else recieved just because they weren't able to get 5 nightmares themselves?
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First off anytime a game mechanic breaks and it wasn't intended and players abuse it, it's an exploit. You should know the chances were clearly never supposed to be as good as a 50% chance and if they were they wouldn't have put a stop to it so fast. And yes they should have removed them, just like the removed the extra AD created on Caturday. The real issue is the companies attitude towards the issue of exploiting, not ever as much that it happened but that they didn't not only fix, punish, or apologies, but aren't taking a stance against a clear violation of the ToS. They've refused to be responsible, they haven't handled this correctly. You seem to be fixated on this being hate for the mounts themselves when the issue as stated many times over is the companies reaction to it.
How is this an exploit? People get so mad over other people's "luck" just because they didn't get 3 nightmare mounts. I had no clue this was going on and didn't benefit from it at all, but just b/c someone got a 33% chance at a nightmare for a couple hours b/c of cryptics mistake doesn't make them a dirty cheater for crying out loud.
Did you really expect cryptic to say "we messed up, all of you that got horses are SOL we're taking it all back" thats dumb. They did the right thing.
I'm sure that this won't happen again as there are 600 hate posts about it, but why do people jump all over something someone else recieved just because they weren't able to get 5 nightmares themselves?
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derpaderpistMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2013
poll removed ? lol
" We live in an age of the cheaply made, disposable, high priced junk. " - theunwarshed
The AD from Caturday was from negative bids or something like that, that was blatantly obvious that is was unintended, and those that did it knew they were exploiting and should have expected to have it taken away. Not that they removed even close to all of it IMO but that's a different story.
No one knew that the chance was so high until someone told them, so the people opening those boxes had every intention of doing so without having any clue about increased % drop chance. They opened the boxes and much to their surprise got super lucky and found multiple nightmares. There is a big difference between blatantly exploiting something that is obviously broken, and opening a couple lockboxes legitimately only to find "holy HAMSTER I won 3 horses from those 10 boxes!!!"
As I said I didn't benefit from this at all, but I wouldn't tell someone that had no clue about any higher % chance drop rate that he is a cheating exploiting jerk b/c he won a couple nightmares. How is cryptic going to differentiate between the first 100 boxes opened that had no clue whatsoever and then any of their friends that they told "Hey maybe you should open some boxes, I got like 3 nightmares guys..."
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No one knew that the chance was so high until someone told them, s
Err, anyone who doesn't realise that having XXXXX has won a Nightmare spam filling their screen indicates that there is a bug, should really not be allowed near electrical equipment...
Err, anyone who doesn't realise that having XXXXX has won a Nightmare spam filling their screen indicates that there is a bug, should really not be allowed near electrical equipment...
Lol! I actually forgot about that, I wasn't on when this happened. Ok I hear you there, so everyone had to know something was up. But again what about the first ~200 boxes that had no idea what their chances were, do we just take everything they got and say sorry our mistake, you get nothing?
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We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
The AD from Caturday was from negative bids or something like that, that was blatantly obvious that is was unintended, and those that did it knew they were exploiting and should have expected to have it taken away. Not that they removed even close to all of it IMO but that's a different story.
No one knew that the chance was so high until someone told them, so the people opening those boxes had every intention of doing so without having any clue about increased % drop chance. They opened the boxes and much to their surprise got super lucky and found multiple nightmares. There is a big difference between blatantly exploiting something that is obviously broken, and opening a couple lockboxes legitimately only to find "holy HAMSTER I won 3 horses from those 10 boxes!!!"
As I said I didn't benefit from this at all, but I wouldn't tell someone that had no clue about any higher % chance drop rate that he is a cheating exploiting jerk b/c he won a couple nightmares. How is cryptic going to differentiate between the first 100 boxes opened that had no clue whatsoever and then any of their friends that they told "Hey maybe you should open some boxes, I got like 3 nightmares guys..."
First off Caturday was solved by a rollback, as I recall, to the day before the exploit, so it WAS taken care of completely, possibly even more so than needed just to be sure. Second, your view not only assumes that the majority didn't know it was happening, BUT that argument could be applied to Caturday too. Why should players who innocently made an incorrect bid on AH and made free AD not be allowed to keep the AD they made? This programming error was known by many players and the dev team before Fey went live, but they didn't fix it and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice the same person getting the mount as many as 4 or 5 times in a row in the chat spam to smell an opportunity. It quickly got out of hand and that's the only reason it was quickly fixed in like 45 minutes while bugs like the client crash and enemies and terrain were allowed to stay bugged all weekend.
I personally don't care if they keep the mounts or not, I care not if they gave everyone 20 tomorrow for free. I care if I can trust this team to be responsible and take a stand against exploits. While those who got "lucky" but didn't push it may be innocent and not cheaters themselves, you can't let those who purposefully abused the rules go just cause you want to. Rules are rules and if they are not enforced then whats the point? Me personally, I just want them to take a firm stance on if it is or isn't ok to cheat or break the ToS in game cause so far it's looking like thumbs up, and NOT because they let them keep the horses, BUT because they are treating an exploit like it's no big deal. Cheating, unintentional or on purpose, breaking the rules, is always wrong.
The AD from Caturday was from negative bids or something like that, that was blatantly obvious that is was unintended, and those that did it knew they were exploiting and should have expected to have it taken away. Not that they removed even close to all of it IMO but that's a different story.
No one knew that the chance was so high until someone told them, so the people opening those boxes had every intention of doing so without having any clue about increased % drop chance. They opened the boxes and much to their surprise got super lucky and found multiple nightmares. There is a big difference between blatantly exploiting something that is obviously broken, and opening a couple lockboxes legitimately only to find "holy HAMSTER I won 3 horses from those 10 boxes!!!"
As I said I didn't benefit from this at all, but I wouldn't tell someone that had no clue about any higher % chance drop rate that he is a cheating exploiting jerk b/c he won a couple nightmares. How is cryptic going to differentiate between the first 100 boxes opened that had no clue whatsoever and then any of their friends that they told "Hey maybe you should open some boxes, I got like 3 nightmares guys..."
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ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
And thus many people came fully prepared to exploit it. The AD-Zen exchange skyrocketed not because paying customers were buying keys and inadvertently getting lucky, but because prepared cheaters with full intent on abusing the exploit were exchanging goods for more keys.
Did it ever occur to people that they turned the rate up for a purpose with testing on the Preview and just forgot to turn it back down when it went to Live.
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sarranspMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
The AD from Caturday was from negative bids or something like that, that was blatantly obvious that is was unintended, and those that did it knew they were exploiting and should have expected to have it taken away. Not that they removed even close to all of it IMO but that's a different story.
No one knew that the chance was so high until someone told them, so the people opening those boxes had every intention of doing so without having any clue about increased % drop chance. They opened the boxes and much to their surprise got super lucky and found multiple nightmares. There is a big difference between blatantly exploiting something that is obviously broken, and opening a couple lockboxes legitimately only to find "holy HAMSTER I won 3 horses from those 10 boxes!!!"
As I said I didn't benefit from this at all, but I wouldn't tell someone that had no clue about any higher % chance drop rate that he is a cheating exploiting jerk b/c he won a couple nightmares. How is cryptic going to differentiate between the first 100 boxes opened that had no clue whatsoever and then any of their friends that they told "Hey maybe you should open some boxes, I got like 3 nightmares guys..."
The bug was reported quite some time before the module went live, many people knew it was going to happen. So in that you're mistaken.
No, never at all. Why would they do that? It's a repeated gimmick from STO and CO. The only way to ensure people buy lots of keys is to keep the chances LOW. That's the only thing they'd ever test.
Did it ever occur to people that they turned the rate up for a purpose with testing on the Preview and just forgot to turn it back down when it went to Live.
Did it ever occur to people that they turned the rate up for a purpose with testing on the Preview and just forgot to turn it back down when it went to Live.
Probably but the are suppossed to have QA for that. The biggest problem is not something slipped by. It is how they handled the aftermath.
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reagenlionel1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
First off Caturday was solved by a rollback, as I recall, to the day before the exploit, so it WAS taken care of completely, possibly even more so than needed just to be sure. Second, your view not only assumes that the majority didn't know it was happening, BUT that argument could be applied to Caturday too. Why should players who innocently made an incorrect bid on AH and made free AD not be allowed to keep the AD they made? This programming error was known by many players and the dev team before Fey went live, but they didn't fix it and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice the same person getting the mount as many as 4 or 5 times in a row in the chat spam to smell an opportunity. It quickly got out of hand and that's the only reason it was quickly fixed in like 45 minutes while bugs like the client crash and enemies and terrain were allowed to stay bugged all weekend.
I personally don't care if they keep the mounts or not, I care not if they gave everyone 20 tomorrow for free. I care if I can trust this team to be responsible and take a stand against exploits. While those who got "lucky" but didn't push it may be innocent and not cheaters themselves, you can't let those who purposefully abused the rules go just cause you want to. Rules are rules and if they are not enforced then whats the point? Me personally, I just want them to take a firm stance on if it is or isn't ok to cheat or break the ToS in game cause so far it's looking like thumbs up, and NOT because they let them keep the horses, BUT because they are treating an exploit like it's no big deal. Cheating, unintentional or on purpose, breaking the rules, is always wrong.
The bug was reported quite some time before the module went live, many people knew it was going to happen. So in that you're mistaken.
Lol people actually thought that the high % in preview shard was going to be EXACTLY the same on live servers? Come on... apparently that is what actually happened, but no one would bank on cryptic "forgetting" to make such a huge change.
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I'll say this. Perhaps that's a possibility, but I've heard of nothing else having a higher drop rate during that time except the mounts. But even if you were right, they still had reports of the issue and failed to address it before launch AND failed to handle it professionally.
Lol people actually thought that the high % in preview shard was going to be EXACTLY the same on live servers? Come on... apparently that is what actually happened, but no one would bank on cryptic "forgetting" to make such a huge change.
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I've had quite a few years, but I always say that it's never too late to learn. Therefore I would like to thank you, also thanks to you that I have learned the new important thing.
Now I know, that my money spended on this game are useless to you - I recognize it after your respect for honest paying players!
I spent quite a lot of money unnecessarily for buying keys, but now know, that was wrong way...!
Because this game I like, probably I will give her any more money, but in different way. Dedicating them to the Wise People, who know how to make own business in the game - to the admiration of others... (Enjoy it!) :mad:
I find this Wise People and buy from them how cheaply acquired AD.
Yes, I believe that they should leave all "gained" nightmare horses - for the right to the prize to belong! They were wise, and I was stupid and naive...
I believed that good playing - is to play fair.
Never again!
Best Regards!
Right now I'm fighting like hell to keep playing but these recent decisions their making is making it difficult to enjoy NW. Right now the only motivation I have to log in is I want that 360 day invoke coin angel pet.:)
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GG Cryptic
WOW was fun for a while but when I tried the active combat of DDO and loved it. But eventually I got tired of the exploits every few months that I eventually felt there was not that much reason to try the endgame. Ironically I ended up playing Neverwinter.....
But, on the plus side, at least the recent decision by the management to let this latest exploit go as just 'lucky', has at least made sure that I won't spend any more money on this game....
GG Cryptic indeed.
They are listed at that price, that doesn't mean they are selling. Maybe a few are, but a lot of them are just taking up space and will be re-listed over and over. Also at 800k AD, that would be about the same price (2000 Zen or $20 US) as most of the similar mounts in the Zen store. So a lot of those mounts will never sell at the current price, and will slowly be dropped down, not by much though. Also some will be given to alts when they don't sell, further reducing the supply. Many of the exploiters really won't benefit all that much from the little time they had to start opening boxes.
Well said.
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This is the issue, exactly. It doesn't matter how many lockboxes you've opened (I am ashamed to say that I have spent quite a bit of money on keys to both support the game and open lockboxes) it's about the ethical issue of supporting exploitation, especially considering they knew of the bug and did nothing about it.
Did you really expect cryptic to say "we messed up, all of you that got horses are SOL we're taking it all back" thats dumb. They did the right thing.
I'm sure that this won't happen again as there are 600 hate posts about it, but why do people jump all over something someone else recieved just because they weren't able to get 5 nightmares themselves?
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
No one knew that the chance was so high until someone told them, so the people opening those boxes had every intention of doing so without having any clue about increased % drop chance. They opened the boxes and much to their surprise got super lucky and found multiple nightmares. There is a big difference between blatantly exploiting something that is obviously broken, and opening a couple lockboxes legitimately only to find "holy HAMSTER I won 3 horses from those 10 boxes!!!"
As I said I didn't benefit from this at all, but I wouldn't tell someone that had no clue about any higher % chance drop rate that he is a cheating exploiting jerk b/c he won a couple nightmares. How is cryptic going to differentiate between the first 100 boxes opened that had no clue whatsoever and then any of their friends that they told "Hey maybe you should open some boxes, I got like 3 nightmares guys..."
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Err, anyone who doesn't realise that having XXXXX has won a Nightmare spam filling their screen indicates that there is a bug, should really not be allowed near electrical equipment...
Lol! I actually forgot about that, I wasn't on when this happened. Ok I hear you there, so everyone had to know something was up. But again what about the first ~200 boxes that had no idea what their chances were, do we just take everything they got and say sorry our mistake, you get nothing?
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
The bug was reported in beta.
I personally don't care if they keep the mounts or not, I care not if they gave everyone 20 tomorrow for free. I care if I can trust this team to be responsible and take a stand against exploits. While those who got "lucky" but didn't push it may be innocent and not cheaters themselves, you can't let those who purposefully abused the rules go just cause you want to. Rules are rules and if they are not enforced then whats the point? Me personally, I just want them to take a firm stance on if it is or isn't ok to cheat or break the ToS in game cause so far it's looking like thumbs up, and NOT because they let them keep the horses, BUT because they are treating an exploit like it's no big deal. Cheating, unintentional or on purpose, breaking the rules, is always wrong.
And thus many people came fully prepared to exploit it. The AD-Zen exchange skyrocketed not because paying customers were buying keys and inadvertently getting lucky, but because prepared cheaters with full intent on abusing the exploit were exchanging goods for more keys.
The bug was reported quite some time before the module went live, many people knew it was going to happen. So in that you're mistaken.
This and exactly this.
Lol people actually thought that the high % in preview shard was going to be EXACTLY the same on live servers? Come on... apparently that is what actually happened, but no one would bank on cryptic "forgetting" to make such a huge change.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.