Looking forward to it. Put my money where my mouth is, as the forum title indicates. Saving AD here and there on my characters to help accessing the new content along, but quite frankly I'm perfectly happy playing through it gradually.
The usual MMO Locust crowd will wail and gnash their teeth, and the people who can't distinguish between having the option to buy AD via Zen and having to buy AD via Zen instead of having a little patience and playing the game will decry it as a bait-and-switch or a cash grab or whatever, but as far as I'm concerned, the sooner those people move on like they keep threatening to, the better.
Not necessarily accurate - with a bit of planning you can easily make enough AD or gold, and quite frankly, the "cost" of Feywild is not really significant to many (casual) players, compared to some of the big money sinks, like getting rank 8-10 enchants or greater/perfect enhancements.
Granted 300k AD is not a HUGE amount but you have to add all of the new changes together and look at the big picture. DD chests will be BOP so there goes many player's source of extra income. Someone trying to gear up without opening their wallet now has a new barrier added to make that task even harder. If they have more than one character the cost will go up. It will cost me 1.5 million AD to take all five of my toons through this content. Prayer and hitting the refining cap everyday will pay for your journey through this content. You will not have to open your wallet to progress through Feywild because progression is very slow. You will have to consider opening your wallet if you want get ANYTHING else because your income is limited to 24k a day and most of that is needed to run through Feywild. You can still make some extra money selling BOE dungeon drops but there will be very few of them.
Anyway, my point is if you are already sitting on a nice chunk of AD before this content hits I can almost guarantee you that your nest egg will shrink some. If you are a new player joining the game you will have NO opportunity to create a nest egg until you finish paying the Feywild taxes. After that your opportunity to begin a nest egg will still be limited. There really isn't much left to sell to other players. Enchantments is about all we have left and if you are a new player you still need to get enchantments. It will really make it hard for a new player to progress without cracking open their wallet.
like 25K per day, it would take you like 13 days to get the 300K AD needed. Is that normal?, heck no.
Two whole weeks?! It will take two whole weeks to explore the new content?! Good. That will give it a bit of legs then, won't it. I really don't see why two weeks to accumulate the AD needed will be a problem.
Two whole weeks?! It will take two whole weeks to explore the new content?! Good. That will give it a bit of legs then, won't it. I really don't see why two weeks to accumulate the AD needed will be a problem.
The thing is though that you have to have AD before you can explore for each area it's required (and, even need AD to buy the goodies you earn, like the new powers), like someone else called it, "admission fee". And, there's no way to make it in the expansion, but of course, you still can outside of it, just not as easily as you could before (with the BoP, the daily limit of rough diamonds you can refine, changes that are happening at the same time this goes live, etc.). If you get there and it works for you to need it to progress, and it's no problem for you that it's called for in the first place, then that's great.
0
zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Regarding free respecs: Yes, there will be one available for use when the patch hits Thursday. Just click the button in the bottom left of the powers window and it should prompt you.
This is for all characters and classes.
So...umm, could I get some of that Frothy Ale too?!
You have to buy keys to open different areas of the Campaign tracker. These keys are bound to you and have nothing to do with enchanted keys. You only have to buy 3 keys (I think) and they are 10 - 50k each. It is easier to just think of the keys as the price of admission. Two keys open new quest zones and the other opens Malbog dungeon (I think it was 50k to get in there). Once you are able to go in the new area the key serves no purpose (I don't even think it is ever put in your inventory).
The new buffs added to the game also cost between 10 - 50K each and there are 5 of them. There are also tasks that will get you some new gear and they also cost 10-50k AD per task. Technically you only have to buy the keys to progress, you do not have to take any of the buffs or the gear, but if that is all you buy you will get nothing from the new area except for some of the new shards and a bunch of BOP blues that probably are not for your class. You MUST open all of the quest areas to get all of the buffs.
There are 3 areas to quest in (You have to pay the price of admission to get in two of them), and each area has a solo dungeon with a chest. You get to open one chest per day for free so chose your chest wisely. Each chest will give you a enchantment shard and a BOP blue. It will take you quite a few days to open the second area, so at first you only have one chest to open. When you get to the second area you will have access to a new chest, but you still only get one key. If you want to open any other chests it will cost you 10K AD to buy another chest key. You will have to pay this fee per key. You DO NOT have to buy the keys to open chests, they are entirely optional. MAKE SURE you want to open the chest BEFORE you go in the dungeon with a key in your inventory because you must open the chest if you have a key on you. I do not think you can leave the dungeon until you claim your reward (you may be able to go out the door you came in, I never checked).
I mentioned the AD cost for these items but there is also a gold price that has to be paid as well. I do not remember the gold cost because I didn't pay attention to them as much. Each task you perform in the Campaign tracker has a cost assigned to it. A few (VERY FEW) only require new area currencies. All the rest require AD, Gold, AND new area currency to complete them.
This content is GUARANTEED to suck almost every AD you can refine right back out of you. You can make 24K a day and it will cost you over 300k to complete it all. I do not know the total gold cost. It is not super high, but 1 Gold pretty much equals 1500 AD in player exchanges, so you do the math. NONE of the quests in the new area give you AD (refined or unrefined).
Buying the Feywild pack will give you enough AD to get 2 characters through the content. What a wonderful deal. They sell you this shiny new pack with a bunch of AD and then take them right back. Very slick. They also give you another character slot to give you a chance to go in the hole 300k. lol.
One last thing. They were very nice to the players and finally added upgrading companions to the game. Wait till you see the cost for that. LMAO. This game is not F2P anymore.
So just to confirm, they're one off purchases to access the respective parts of new area?
So just to confirm, they're one off purchases to access the respective parts of new area?
Yes. You pay to open each new area, pay for each buff, and pay for each piece of gear. You also have to quest over and over in each area and collect other currencies even be able to do any of these things. They all require AD, Gold, and various new currency. There are 3 (?) boredwalls in place you have to get through in each area before you can make a key to open the next zone. These boredwalls do not cost AD.
So to sum it up, you quest OVER and OVER in a zone to remove 3 barriers to your progress, then you make a key (also have to wait 20 hrs for key to finish so it's a 4th barrier), then you can go to a new zone and repeat the entire process again. In between you can also pay for the permanent buffs for your character and when you are near the end you can pay to create gear that will require you keep on doing the same quests over and over for a month or so. I did not look closely at the gear because I wasn't sure if it was the gear that would go live. What I did see was unimpressive.
I just recently heard some good news. Apparently you can get Illefarn Relic Fragments by opening lockboxes and then trade them for "Sparks" that will help you knock down the invisible boredwalls faster. Now I am 100% positive the new content is designed to suck money from the paying players. I know they need to make money, but purposely slowing you down unless you pay is a pretty shady tactic. This speed boost only "helps" you get through the artificial barriers they put in place. It does not give you anything else. With a little creativity and better designing skills they could have added a few items to Zen store that were worth buying and they would have generated the same income. Instead they change the red color on a mount and bird to purple and call them rare and put up invisible barriers that can be knocked down with cash. What is happening to this game is so sad.
Hey, and we are getting free respec's too! Now with 100% more official confirmation.
I saw an official post confirming free respecs being given, but I don't remember exactly where it was on the forum, so I can't provide a link. They will be given out though, which is no surprise due to the many changes to classes.
I saw an official post confirming free respecs being given, but I don't remember exactly where it was on the forum, so I can't provide a link. They will be given out though, which is no surprise due to the many changes to classes.
Yes. You pay to open each new area, pay for each buff, and pay for each piece of gear. You also have to quest over and over in each area and collect other currencies even be able to do any of these things. They all require AD, Gold, and various new currency. There are 3 (?) boredwalls in place you have to get through in each area before you can make a key to open the next zone. These boredwalls do not cost AD.
So to sum it up, you quest OVER and OVER in a zone to remove 3 barriers to your progress, then you make a key (also have to wait 20 hrs for key to finish so it's a 4th barrier), then you can go to a new zone and repeat the entire process again. In between you can also pay for the permanent buffs for your character and when you are near the end you can pay to create gear that will require you keep on doing the same quests over and over for a month or so. I did not look closely at the gear because I wasn't sure if it was the gear that would go live. What I did see was unimpressive.
I just recently heard some good news. Apparently you can get Illefarn Relic Fragments by opening lockboxes and then trade them for "Sparks" that will help you knock down the invisible boredwalls faster. Now I am 100% positive the new content is designed to suck money from the paying players. I know they need to make money, but purposely slowing you down unless you pay is a pretty shady tactic. This speed boost only "helps" you get through the artificial barriers they put in place. It does not give you anything else. With a little creativity and better designing skills they could have added a few items to Zen store that were worth buying and they would have generated the same income. Instead they change the red color on a mount and bird to purple and call them rare and put up invisible barriers that can be knocked down with cash. What is happening to this game is so sad.
Taking some time to enjoy the extra content is not a bad thing. Other MMOs have had areas before that had daily quests to do. This is no different. Everything in this game (besides exclusive things from founders packs or feywild packs and such) can be obtained for no money whatsoever. Those that want to get things easily and progress faster must pay money to do so. I see nothing wrong with this system.
Taking some time to enjoy the extra content is not a bad thing. Other MMOs have had areas before that had daily quests to do. This is no different. Everything in this game (besides exclusive things from founders packs or feywild packs and such) can be obtained for no money whatsoever. Those that want to get things easily and progress faster must pay money to do so. I see nothing wrong with this system.
I'm glad you're happy. At least you will enjoy the month+ that you will spend doing the exact same thing over and over and over. Unfortunately I tested the new content for about 3 weeks so I am already bored to death with it. When you actually see how little they truly added to the game you may be shocked. It is not a lot and you will get the opportunity to see it all many, many times. The sheer amount of times you have to run the same quest over and over might be enough to make even the stingiest player crack their wallet to end the boredom.
im excited for the new patch, there are other things i hope get worked on in the future but looking forward to it nonetheless.
0
orlicelMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 12Arc User
edited August 2013
I read all your posts here, Jarlsburg and I think you are just a bit overreacting.
About that ADs costs: Only thing you really need from this campaign is open the whole zone and there are no AD costs, you just need that new zone currencies.
You need 50 000 AD to open Malabog Castle but players who are experienced enough to want to go there have no problem to invest that amount of AD.
Next thing are these one-man dungeons. Dark Fey Key for opening reward chest now costs 5000 AD. The question is: Should I want to open it in the first place? There isn’t anything crucial in these chests, basically only stuff to sell. And we will see how cost of these things will develop. If they will be high enough, I can invest 5000 AD to get key, if they don’t I don’t need it at all.
Boons also cost ADs, but you can wait and buy it one by one during the time.
And about the length of campaign and that you have to repeat some quests over and over. It is true, but you can do it with your friends or other players together and it will be really fast. And noone says you have to do it all the time. I’m thinking about it like new dailies. I can do some every day and finally I gather enough items for upgrades.
There are other things in this module I don’t like (like changes about loot in DD chests) but Campaign isn‘t one of them.
I read all your posts here, Jarlsburg and I think you are just a bit overreacting.
They changed the prices since the last time I looked at them on the test server and removed the cost from the zone opening tasks. I am 99% sure it used to cost 25k to open the banshee gate and another 50k to open the last area. Also, I know the last boon used to cost 50k and the prices descended from there. It used to cost 300k to get through everything and you had no choice to but to pay many of the fees if you wanted to play the content. Now the price has dropped to 150k and it is pretty much entirely optional if you want to pay it. There really shouldn't be a charge on opening the new dungeon, but it is not that big of a deal on it's own anymore and a solo player can completely skip this.
This is an excellent change that may have been put in place because some of the players who saw the original prices "overreacted" on the forums. I have no real complaints about the state of the campaign tracker now. The prices were dropped and they are entirely optional, so I am satisfied.
I am extremely disappointed by this patch, not for the content, but for the lack of quality control (i.e., bugs, graphic glitch and the infamous nightmare mount for the world). The most serious bug is the unstoppable bug (exit unstoppable when your temp hp is consumed) that render the class near useless in both PVE and PVP. It is sad, and i think i lost just about 90% interest in this game. This comes from a 14k gs gwf sinve open beta.
Comments
The usual MMO Locust crowd will wail and gnash their teeth, and the people who can't distinguish between having the option to buy AD via Zen and having to buy AD via Zen instead of having a little patience and playing the game will decry it as a bait-and-switch or a cash grab or whatever, but as far as I'm concerned, the sooner those people move on like they keep threatening to, the better.
Granted 300k AD is not a HUGE amount but you have to add all of the new changes together and look at the big picture. DD chests will be BOP so there goes many player's source of extra income. Someone trying to gear up without opening their wallet now has a new barrier added to make that task even harder. If they have more than one character the cost will go up. It will cost me 1.5 million AD to take all five of my toons through this content. Prayer and hitting the refining cap everyday will pay for your journey through this content. You will not have to open your wallet to progress through Feywild because progression is very slow. You will have to consider opening your wallet if you want get ANYTHING else because your income is limited to 24k a day and most of that is needed to run through Feywild. You can still make some extra money selling BOE dungeon drops but there will be very few of them.
Anyway, my point is if you are already sitting on a nice chunk of AD before this content hits I can almost guarantee you that your nest egg will shrink some. If you are a new player joining the game you will have NO opportunity to create a nest egg until you finish paying the Feywild taxes. After that your opportunity to begin a nest egg will still be limited. There really isn't much left to sell to other players. Enchantments is about all we have left and if you are a new player you still need to get enchantments. It will really make it hard for a new player to progress without cracking open their wallet.
Two whole weeks?! It will take two whole weeks to explore the new content?! Good. That will give it a bit of legs then, won't it. I really don't see why two weeks to accumulate the AD needed will be a problem.
That's more of an issue for sure, than the cost to get through the new area.
At this point the only thing that will draw me back is if the foundry ui improvements functionally let authors reach their audience.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
zebular: No!
zebular: No!
zebular: No!
zebular: For the last time, NOOOOO! :mad:
Neverwinter Wonderland
Neverwinter Wet & Wild
Neverwinter 2nd Anniversary Montage
Neverwinter Anniversary Montage
Protector's Jubilee Speech
Oh the Carnage
The thing is though that you have to have AD before you can explore for each area it's required (and, even need AD to buy the goodies you earn, like the new powers), like someone else called it, "admission fee". And, there's no way to make it in the expansion, but of course, you still can outside of it, just not as easily as you could before (with the BoP, the daily limit of rough diamonds you can refine, changes that are happening at the same time this goes live, etc.). If you get there and it works for you to need it to progress, and it's no problem for you that it's called for in the first place, then that's great.
*the old mage snaps his fingers and some bardic music begins playing*
""The wheels on the carriage go round and round...""
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
Can we stop at Mcdievals on our way to Sharandar for Mutton McNuggets and a Frothy Ale?!?
Neverwinter Wonderland
Neverwinter Wet & Wild
Neverwinter 2nd Anniversary Montage
Neverwinter Anniversary Montage
Protector's Jubilee Speech
Oh the Carnage
So...umm, could I get some of that Frothy Ale too?!
sure can, but it will cost a healthy amount of AD
Everybody sing along....
The Unicorn Song
Neverwinter Wonderland
Neverwinter Wet & Wild
Neverwinter 2nd Anniversary Montage
Neverwinter Anniversary Montage
Protector's Jubilee Speech
Oh the Carnage
What about CHARLIE THE UNICORN Shunnn the Non-Believer! SHUNNNNNN
So just to confirm, they're one off purchases to access the respective parts of new area?
Yes. You pay to open each new area, pay for each buff, and pay for each piece of gear. You also have to quest over and over in each area and collect other currencies even be able to do any of these things. They all require AD, Gold, and various new currency. There are 3 (?) boredwalls in place you have to get through in each area before you can make a key to open the next zone. These boredwalls do not cost AD.
So to sum it up, you quest OVER and OVER in a zone to remove 3 barriers to your progress, then you make a key (also have to wait 20 hrs for key to finish so it's a 4th barrier), then you can go to a new zone and repeat the entire process again. In between you can also pay for the permanent buffs for your character and when you are near the end you can pay to create gear that will require you keep on doing the same quests over and over for a month or so. I did not look closely at the gear because I wasn't sure if it was the gear that would go live. What I did see was unimpressive.
I just recently heard some good news. Apparently you can get Illefarn Relic Fragments by opening lockboxes and then trade them for "Sparks" that will help you knock down the invisible boredwalls faster. Now I am 100% positive the new content is designed to suck money from the paying players. I know they need to make money, but purposely slowing you down unless you pay is a pretty shady tactic. This speed boost only "helps" you get through the artificial barriers they put in place. It does not give you anything else. With a little creativity and better designing skills they could have added a few items to Zen store that were worth buying and they would have generated the same income. Instead they change the red color on a mount and bird to purple and call them rare and put up invisible barriers that can be knocked down with cash. What is happening to this game is so sad.
I saw an official post confirming free respecs being given, but I don't remember exactly where it was on the forum, so I can't provide a link. They will be given out though, which is no surprise due to the many changes to classes.
Very true. Here's the link.
Ah, yes, that's the one I saw. It's a good thing you knew where it was. Thanks for finding it.
Taking some time to enjoy the extra content is not a bad thing. Other MMOs have had areas before that had daily quests to do. This is no different. Everything in this game (besides exclusive things from founders packs or feywild packs and such) can be obtained for no money whatsoever. Those that want to get things easily and progress faster must pay money to do so. I see nothing wrong with this system.
I'm glad you're happy. At least you will enjoy the month+ that you will spend doing the exact same thing over and over and over. Unfortunately I tested the new content for about 3 weeks so I am already bored to death with it. When you actually see how little they truly added to the game you may be shocked. It is not a lot and you will get the opportunity to see it all many, many times. The sheer amount of times you have to run the same quest over and over might be enough to make even the stingiest player crack their wallet to end the boredom.
The Other Unicorn Song
Neverwinter Wonderland
Neverwinter Wet & Wild
Neverwinter 2nd Anniversary Montage
Neverwinter Anniversary Montage
Protector's Jubilee Speech
Oh the Carnage
About that ADs costs: Only thing you really need from this campaign is open the whole zone and there are no AD costs, you just need that new zone currencies.
You need 50 000 AD to open Malabog Castle but players who are experienced enough to want to go there have no problem to invest that amount of AD.
Next thing are these one-man dungeons. Dark Fey Key for opening reward chest now costs 5000 AD. The question is: Should I want to open it in the first place? There isn’t anything crucial in these chests, basically only stuff to sell. And we will see how cost of these things will develop. If they will be high enough, I can invest 5000 AD to get key, if they don’t I don’t need it at all.
Boons also cost ADs, but you can wait and buy it one by one during the time.
And about the length of campaign and that you have to repeat some quests over and over. It is true, but you can do it with your friends or other players together and it will be really fast. And noone says you have to do it all the time. I’m thinking about it like new dailies. I can do some every day and finally I gather enough items for upgrades.
There are other things in this module I don’t like (like changes about loot in DD chests) but Campaign isn‘t one of them.
They changed the prices since the last time I looked at them on the test server and removed the cost from the zone opening tasks. I am 99% sure it used to cost 25k to open the banshee gate and another 50k to open the last area. Also, I know the last boon used to cost 50k and the prices descended from there. It used to cost 300k to get through everything and you had no choice to but to pay many of the fees if you wanted to play the content. Now the price has dropped to 150k and it is pretty much entirely optional if you want to pay it. There really shouldn't be a charge on opening the new dungeon, but it is not that big of a deal on it's own anymore and a solo player can completely skip this.
This is an excellent change that may have been put in place because some of the players who saw the original prices "overreacted" on the forums. I have no real complaints about the state of the campaign tracker now. The prices were dropped and they are entirely optional, so I am satisfied.