Yeah entangling force on tab, which means you can't use repel on tab, so castle never will be .....interesting.
You dont run Repel on Tab until draco......so nothing has changed there. Any good CW uses Entangle on tab for the insane AP gain. So now CW's cant spam sing back to back to back we will get to see who is skilled at doing their job vs a trash buttom masher. Agree with OP every "Nerf" so far has been best for the longevity and balance of the game.
You dont run Repel on Tab until draco......so nothing has changed there. Any good CW uses Entangle on tab for the insane AP gain. So now CW's cant spam sing back to back to back we will get to see who is skilled at doing their job vs a trash buttom masher. Agree with OP every "Nerf" so far has been best for the longevity and balance of the game.
You misunderstand me, what I'm trying to say is that you can't have both entangling AND repel on tab at the same time, so when fighting draco you wont be able to push the adds onto the ledge, which is a problem.
You misunderstand me, what I'm trying to say is that you can't have both entangling AND repel on tab at the same time, so when fighting draco you wont be able to push the adds onto the ledge, which is a problem.
I have never used Entangle on a single draco fight and have completed hundreds. The only change will be the AP gain from shield which just means we will need more CC inbetween pushes to keep mobs busy while we build AP for AS.
I have never used Entangle on a single draco fight and have completed hundreds. The only change will be the AP gain from shield which just means we will need more CC inbetween pushes to keep mobs busy while we build AP for AS.
My original post was about how we will no longer be able to use shield to build AP. Somebody suggested other methods to build AP (Entangling) and I pointed out that to use entangling on tab you would have to give up repel on draco. I never use entangling on draco either, please read what I said.
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xabersedgeMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 119Bounty Hunter
My original post was about how we will no longer be able to use shield to build AP. Somebody suggested other methods to build AP (Entangling) and I pointed out that to use entangling on tab you would have to give up repel on draco. I never use entangling on draco either, please read what I said.
10-4 makes sense now. I still do not believe any of this will change the Draco fight much. Currently it only takes about 3-5 minutes to get all of the adds off anyway then everyone just dps's Draco. Now it will just take a little longer to get the adds off. Ive actually seen groups that refuse to bug the adds and just shield knock them off throughout the entire fight even while dealing with hands. Also a GF will be very beneficial to have at CN now.
Let people went on forums. Nothing will change and update will go live. Some will quit, some take a brake like me, some will carry on. I pretty much give up at this point trying to understand what developers want. Who is their player base they are trying to cater to? If its hard core, like so many stress here skilled gamers - then why is everything up to T2 PUG friendly? Make it a hell quest from lvl 1 so people will know what game they are playing. And yes up to certain point the game is super casual and in no way prepares you for T2 and end game content. Every diversity in DC builds has been taken care off. I see only one somewhat functional build for PvE, which is forcing me to switch gears and one DPS but it renders healing to HAMSTER.Oh yes and do not forget the out blue Hammer of Faith nerf, out of all daily powers that needed to be looked in to, one in DCs arsenal got hit by a nerf bat.
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kantazo1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2013
There was once a game I used to play called Atlantica Online, the same happened and now is a shadow and an empty shell of what once was a great game. I could see a great future for Neverwinter if the Devs listen to the majority, PVP is an after thought it is NOT and cannot be your main goal.
You will alienate the vast majority of players.
Seek and ye shall find. Yeshua
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xabersedgeMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 119Bounty Hunter
edited August 2013
I personally couldn't find any love for Atlantica, it was a fantastic idea but not so much on the execution. I just got bored so quick Not that Neverwinter is that much deeper but for some reason I can't put it down, Atlantica was missing that for me and I think alot of others felt it was lacking from the get to as well. But then again, I r picky ;p
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sasheriaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
I expect a small war to break out, but I had to say my piece ;p
Even with the "big league" WoW, the forum posters BARELY scratch 10% of the player base (that is WoW statistic) I will be surprise if we have 25% or even 10% of the NW player base posting here.
the posters are the vocal one, but we are a minority.
i disagree stalwart set change is not balance is to kill the class, yes the chain in pvpv might kill you but it is not a 1 hit kill, why don;t change the knight challenge skill ?????? no they change the set that 80-90% of GF have lol, beleive i will quit and with me a lot of supporters of the game and as i did mention in other forum i will make sure that all the gamming comunities know what this company is, what in the name of tymora they did not told us in Beta that the set was was supposed to change, they did not say a word and everyone created their chars accordingly, the fully geared chars have spended at least 1M to complete the set with enchants and rings and belts hat match the build now all that is useless
Everything works out in the end . If it hasn't worked out yet, it isn't the end...
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xabersedgeMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 119Bounty Hunter
edited August 2013
really, your going to leave because of gear changes.
and you are going to try to deface the company because of it. . .
seriously, this is the kind of childish stuff I was talking about. Let's try, instead, to find different gear and slot accordingly. It doesn't mean the end of the game for anyone, it means you have to put some more work in, otherwise known as playing the game. No one made you spend time or money on any of this, sorry you're choices let you down, make new ones. Changes do not mean you are gonna get insta-gibbed or anything stupid like that, especially if you can actually play the game. And I certainly don't think that a company like cryptic deserves to be smeared because someone doesn't get their god mode.
really, your going to leave because of gear changes.
and you are going to try to deface the company because of it. . .
seriously, this is the kind of childish stuff I was talking about. Let's try, instead, to find different gear and slot accordingly. It doesn't mean the end of the game for anyone, it means you have to put some more work in, otherwise known as playing the game. No one made you spend time or money on any of this, sorry you're choices let you down, make new ones. Changes do not mean you are gonna get insta-gibbed or anything stupid like that, especially if you can actually play the game. And I certainly don't think that a company like cryptic deserves to be smeared because someone doesn't get their god mode.
Childish? This is anything but childish. We invested time and in some cases money into what we were expecting to be a good game. After watching the downfall of this game and learning about this company's irrefutable past, how are you not surprised at all of this?
My god, I'm cutting my losses before it gets worse. I'll play the new content for a week but I have a feeling that's going to be the end.
Shield: Shield Release no longer incorrectly multiplies its Action Point gain for every target hit.
Shield: Shield Release no longer incorrectly builds a stack of Arcane Mastery for every target hit,
Or in other words, wizards can no longer use singularity more than once per boss fight based on my testing on the test shard.
you need Shield to build AP fast? Wow...
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
Man, for a T1 gear set Stalwart is away too overpower. Check other classes bonus sets and u will understand what im saying.
I play with a Cleric and i dont like the nerfs either (think no one like it) but we must understand when some powers are overpower and need to be changed somehow, for example sunburst.... As a cleric i got 50% action point recharge, the way sunburst was working i could cast Hallowground every 10-15secs in some combats, actually i was able to cast Hallowground while other was still up.
This needed to be changed like many other classes powers... maybe even more than what they nerfed.
i disagree stalwart set change is not balance is to kill the class, yes the chain in pvpv might kill you but it is not a 1 hit kill, why don;t change the knight challenge skill ?????? no they change the set that 80-90% of GF have lol, beleive i will quit and with me a lot of supporters of the game and as i did mention in other forum i will make sure that all the gamming comunities know what this company is, what in the name of tymora they did not told us in Beta that the set was was supposed to change, they did not say a word and everyone created their chars accordingly, the fully geared chars have spended at least 1M to complete the set with enchants and rings and belts hat match the build now all that is useless
You really should read Terms Of Service...
A world to defend
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
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kantazo1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Childish? This is anything but childish. We invested time and in some cases money into what we were expecting to be a good game. After watching the downfall of this game and learning about this company's irrefutable past, how are you not surprised at all of this?
My god, I'm cutting my losses before it gets worse. I'll play the new content for a week but I have a feeling that's going to be the end.
Did you not make the choice to put that time and money in? Didn't you chose that investment? Why would you abandon it just because it changed on you? You have stock in Sony and they make one HAMSTER device so you are gonna pull out everything you ever earned and turn tail? It's a loss. . .it's a small one.
Keep in mind that when these gears are dev'd internally, they see maybe 4-6 different builds. Once the players get ahold of it, the possibilities are near limitless. All it takes is that one anomaly to create a god set that really takes off and then almost requires an adjustment. You people act like you are being personally attacked by the changes around you. It's a small affect for the greater good.
But to give up like that, your're throwing tantrum. You are also walking out just as new content comes in so your gear may become irrelevant anyway but simply playing the game. Logic peeps, try it.
Childish? This is anything but childish. We invested time and in some cases money into what we were expecting to be a good game. After watching the downfall of this game and learning about this company's irrefutable past, how are you not surprised at all of this?
My god, I'm cutting my losses before it gets worse. I'll play the new content for a week but I have a feeling that's going to be the end.
That's your decision, but the new content is worth the time you spend playing it. New enchantments, new gear (if you want it), some other good stuff, ADs, gold... It's just a set. When T3 will be released you won't even ask yourself it the T2 > T3 upgrade will require the devs to give you back ADs. That's a nonsense.
You have stock in Sony and they make one HAMSTER device so you are gonna pull out everything you ever earned and turn tail?
...That is the way the stock market actually works, yes. And one advantage the stock market has over this game is that companies need to keep their stockholders happy, not grab cash from as many as possible and then disregard them.
Childish? This is anything but childish. We invested time and in some cases money into what we were expecting to be a good game. After watching the downfall of this game and learning about this company's irrefutable past, how are you not surprised at all of this?
My god, I'm cutting my losses before it gets worse. I'll play the new content for a week but I have a feeling that's going to be the end.
This game is great. All of us have invested time and/or money into playing this game. I don't see the downfall that you are talking about. Any time a new game comes out, people will leave it because they don't like it, game is too easy/too hard, etc. Them adding content and keep making changes keeps me playing.
I especially love the changes that are going to be coming out soon. The people that are cheating the dungeons, exploiting the game, etc are going to have a hard time post patch.
All I can say is that if you don't like the game, then cya. It amazes me how many people are still posting on the forums post after post on a game they "hate so much".
really, your going to leave because of gear changes.
and you are going to try to deface the company because of it. . .
seriously, this is the kind of childish stuff I was talking about. Let's try, instead, to find different gear and slot accordingly. It doesn't mean the end of the game for anyone, it means you have to put some more work in, otherwise known as playing the game. No one made you spend time or money on any of this, sorry you're choices let you down, make new ones. Changes do not mean you are gonna get insta-gibbed or anything stupid like that, especially if you can actually play the game. And I certainly don't think that a company like cryptic deserves to be smeared because someone doesn't get their god mode.
is not childish i do not care about nerfing skills since in there i do not have to invest anything but a respect if i want to select the best for me that is not an expensive change, however after spending a lot in gear i will have a t1 gear enchanted tha will do nothing in the game cause the new gear set rules are worthless compared to the value of the set with the previous rules, that is something every player feels i modified my mustang for 1000 HP and now they want to keep the mustang and give me a toyota with the modified pices that i cannot use neither in the toyota or sell them cause they are used.... what do you think about that????? again if it gos to skills/feats is fine i can respect but the gear that we invest on having and enchant :S
Everything works out in the end . If it hasn't worked out yet, it isn't the end...
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xabersedgeMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 119Bounty Hunter
...That is the way the stock market actually works, yes. And one advantage the stock market has over this game is that companies need to keep their stockholders happy, not grab cash from as many as possible and then disregard them.
Logic, peeps: try it.
Touche' . . . .well played ;p I guess it's closer to buying a car and then abandoning it. . .my bad ;p
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seisem2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
is not childish i do not care about nerfing skills since in there i do not have to invest anything but a respect if i want to select the best for me that is not an expensive change, however after spending a lot in gear i will have a t1 gear enchanted tha will do nothing in the game cause the new gear set rules are worthless compared to the value of the set with the previous rules, that is something every player feels i modified my mustang for 1000 HP and now they want to keep the mustang and give me a toyota with the modified pices that i cannot use neither in the toyota or sell them cause they are used.... what do you think about that????? again if it gos to skills/feats is fine i can respect but the gear that we invest on having and enchant :S
So unchant the gear and move on to another set like Timeless Hero. It is not hard to farm t1/t2 gear... nor is it hard to make enough AD to unsocket your items.
You know this is a MMO, eventually your T1 set would be replaced for the next version.
is not childish i do not care about nerfing skills since in there i do not have to invest anything but a respect if i want to select the best for me that is not an expensive change, however after spending a lot in gear i will have a t1 gear enchanted tha will do nothing in the game cause the new gear set rules are worthless compared to the value of the set with the previous rules, that is something every player feels i modified my mustang for 1000 HP and now they want to keep the mustang and give me a toyota with the modified pices that i cannot use neither in the toyota or sell them cause they are used.... what do you think about that????? again if it gos to skills/feats is fine i can respect but the gear that we invest on having and enchant :S
all i hear is a lot of 'I made a choice to spend money and it bit my butt' at the same time ignoring the fact that you are the one that spent the money. Your choice to spend, and I almost feel bad about it, but it was your decision. And again, you are ignoring the fact that will probably be a new set that will make it obsolete anyway. Don't toss away your investment, just work with what you have and have fun doing so.
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baranthusMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 54
The problem is that the "balance" came out to be because a very loud few group of players in PVP cried and cried and cried about how the TRs were facerolling them. Now the changes came and they are affecting everyone.
Rightly so because the game is a complete cakewalk - I sincerely hope the nerfs might make the game more challenging.
So unchant the gear and move on to another set like Timeless Hero. It is not hard to farm t1/t2 gear... nor is it hard to make enough AD to unsocket your items.
You know this is a MMO, eventually your T1 set would be replaced for the next version.
Heh, if we ever learn from ANY MMO, is that ANY expansion can make your old gear obsolete. That is how the next Carrot work in MMO. chasing after the next gear.
My friend play DDO. He plays a wizard (one of the most powerful to solo with) they have nerf that class's spell left and right because a wizard can solo a lot of things on their own given enough time. Which is kinda scary. My friend just adapt and move on and still play.
this is not a new complaint. I see people crying left and right when the FIRST expansion of WoW (Burning Crusade) came out. People complain about all the "epic" gear they farm in MONTHS that will be obsolete in about 2 levels (3 if you are max tier at the time) now every single expansion (with level increase) the gear becomes obsolete in about 2-3 level (again if you are max gear at the time)
This is normal for MMO. If you don't like it (not seisem2, just the general you), then don't play MMO cause this is the NORM. New content comes out must have BETTER gear and enchant to entice players (even maxed gear) to play and chase after it. The next shiny..... the next carrot....
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You dont run Repel on Tab until draco......so nothing has changed there. Any good CW uses Entangle on tab for the insane AP gain. So now CW's cant spam sing back to back to back we will get to see who is skilled at doing their job vs a trash buttom masher. Agree with OP every "Nerf" so far has been best for the longevity and balance of the game.
You misunderstand me, what I'm trying to say is that you can't have both entangling AND repel on tab at the same time, so when fighting draco you wont be able to push the adds onto the ledge, which is a problem.
I have never used Entangle on a single draco fight and have completed hundreds. The only change will be the AP gain from shield which just means we will need more CC inbetween pushes to keep mobs busy while we build AP for AS.
My original post was about how we will no longer be able to use shield to build AP. Somebody suggested other methods to build AP (Entangling) and I pointed out that to use entangling on tab you would have to give up repel on draco. I never use entangling on draco either, please read what I said.
10-4 makes sense now. I still do not believe any of this will change the Draco fight much. Currently it only takes about 3-5 minutes to get all of the adds off anyway then everyone just dps's Draco. Now it will just take a little longer to get the adds off. Ive actually seen groups that refuse to bug the adds and just shield knock them off throughout the entire fight even while dealing with hands. Also a GF will be very beneficial to have at CN now.
You will alienate the vast majority of players.
Even with the "big league" WoW, the forum posters BARELY scratch 10% of the player base (that is WoW statistic) I will be surprise if we have 25% or even 10% of the NW player base posting here.
the posters are the vocal one, but we are a minority.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
and you are going to try to deface the company because of it. . .
seriously, this is the kind of childish stuff I was talking about. Let's try, instead, to find different gear and slot accordingly. It doesn't mean the end of the game for anyone, it means you have to put some more work in, otherwise known as playing the game. No one made you spend time or money on any of this, sorry you're choices let you down, make new ones. Changes do not mean you are gonna get insta-gibbed or anything stupid like that, especially if you can actually play the game. And I certainly don't think that a company like cryptic deserves to be smeared because someone doesn't get their god mode.
Childish? This is anything but childish. We invested time and in some cases money into what we were expecting to be a good game. After watching the downfall of this game and learning about this company's irrefutable past, how are you not surprised at all of this?
My god, I'm cutting my losses before it gets worse. I'll play the new content for a week but I have a feeling that's going to be the end.
you need Shield to build AP fast? Wow...
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
I play with a Cleric and i dont like the nerfs either (think no one like it) but we must understand when some powers are overpower and need to be changed somehow, for example sunburst.... As a cleric i got 50% action point recharge, the way sunburst was working i could cast Hallowground every 10-15secs in some combats, actually i was able to cast Hallowground while other was still up.
This needed to be changed like many other classes powers... maybe even more than what they nerfed.
A city to protect
innocents to save
"Why?" They ask "they hate you"
We're heroes it's what we do.
*patiently waiting on Paragon City*
And that means what?
Did you not make the choice to put that time and money in? Didn't you chose that investment? Why would you abandon it just because it changed on you? You have stock in Sony and they make one HAMSTER device so you are gonna pull out everything you ever earned and turn tail? It's a loss. . .it's a small one.
Keep in mind that when these gears are dev'd internally, they see maybe 4-6 different builds. Once the players get ahold of it, the possibilities are near limitless. All it takes is that one anomaly to create a god set that really takes off and then almost requires an adjustment. You people act like you are being personally attacked by the changes around you. It's a small affect for the greater good.
But to give up like that, your're throwing tantrum. You are also walking out just as new content comes in so your gear may become irrelevant anyway but simply playing the game. Logic peeps, try it.
That's your decision, but the new content is worth the time you spend playing it. New enchantments, new gear (if you want it), some other good stuff, ADs, gold... It's just a set. When T3 will be released you won't even ask yourself it the T2 > T3 upgrade will require the devs to give you back ADs. That's a nonsense.
...That is the way the stock market actually works, yes. And one advantage the stock market has over this game is that companies need to keep their stockholders happy, not grab cash from as many as possible and then disregard them.
Logic, peeps: try it.
This game is great. All of us have invested time and/or money into playing this game. I don't see the downfall that you are talking about. Any time a new game comes out, people will leave it because they don't like it, game is too easy/too hard, etc. Them adding content and keep making changes keeps me playing.
I especially love the changes that are going to be coming out soon. The people that are cheating the dungeons, exploiting the game, etc are going to have a hard time post patch.
All I can say is that if you don't like the game, then cya. It amazes me how many people are still posting on the forums post after post on a game they "hate so much".
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
is not childish i do not care about nerfing skills since in there i do not have to invest anything but a respect if i want to select the best for me that is not an expensive change, however after spending a lot in gear i will have a t1 gear enchanted tha will do nothing in the game cause the new gear set rules are worthless compared to the value of the set with the previous rules, that is something every player feels i modified my mustang for 1000 HP and now they want to keep the mustang and give me a toyota with the modified pices that i cannot use neither in the toyota or sell them cause they are used.... what do you think about that????? again if it gos to skills/feats is fine i can respect but the gear that we invest on having and enchant :S
Touche' . . . .well played ;p I guess it's closer to buying a car and then abandoning it. . .my bad ;p
So unchant the gear and move on to another set like Timeless Hero. It is not hard to farm t1/t2 gear... nor is it hard to make enough AD to unsocket your items.
You know this is a MMO, eventually your T1 set would be replaced for the next version.
Catalina Erantzo - GWF 13.9K GS
<Future> Guild on Dragon - Legit Non Exploit Guild (We are always recruiting great players)
Future Guild Recruitment Thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?475381-lt-Future-gt-Legit-Non-Exploit-Guild-Recruiting
all i hear is a lot of 'I made a choice to spend money and it bit my butt' at the same time ignoring the fact that you are the one that spent the money. Your choice to spend, and I almost feel bad about it, but it was your decision. And again, you are ignoring the fact that will probably be a new set that will make it obsolete anyway. Don't toss away your investment, just work with what you have and have fun doing so.
Rightly so because the game is a complete cakewalk - I sincerely hope the nerfs might make the game more challenging.
Heh, if we ever learn from ANY MMO, is that ANY expansion can make your old gear obsolete. That is how the next Carrot work in MMO. chasing after the next gear.
My friend play DDO. He plays a wizard (one of the most powerful to solo with) they have nerf that class's spell left and right because a wizard can solo a lot of things on their own given enough time. Which is kinda scary. My friend just adapt and move on and still play.
this is not a new complaint. I see people crying left and right when the FIRST expansion of WoW (Burning Crusade) came out. People complain about all the "epic" gear they farm in MONTHS that will be obsolete in about 2 levels (3 if you are max tier at the time) now every single expansion (with level increase) the gear becomes obsolete in about 2-3 level (again if you are max gear at the time)
This is normal for MMO. If you don't like it (not seisem2, just the general you), then don't play MMO cause this is the NORM. New content comes out must have BETTER gear and enchant to entice players (even maxed gear) to play and chase after it. The next shiny..... the next carrot....
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.