I do play new ones. The map that originally got some people's goat and now has several clones is straight in and out. It takes no time to complete so will certainly not take time away from other quests.
Fair enough, I wouldn't know. All the foundry quest's I have played have come from these boards. I only started looking at the new tab a couple of days. I was surprised to see my own quest on there.
I know you play many, many quest, and that's very good of you, I often play quest's on the streangth of your reviews. Such as Drow family ties, which is next on my to do list.
I would honestly hate to think that anyone would do any quest for the sake of one staring it. Exploit or not. That's all I meant.
On reflection I do agree with your sentiments anton. It was a pretty stupid idea of mine, borne of frustration.
About me playing quests; there is nothing altruistic about it, I am awed by Foundry authors every day and get so much pleasure from your work. It's a travesty the catalogue doesn't have a place for all genuine authors.
I can't say what the exploit is, my post would be removed. But the authors know. And they know not to use it. We need to stop the rogue authors from using it.
This is what really blows my mind. I don't believe they have any intention of fixing the exploit, it's been months now and there's absolutely no sign they're working on it.
So why aren't we able to talk about it if it's going to remain a part of the game?
They can't use the excuse that the more people know about it the more it will be abused, because they aren't fixing it. Eventually everyone will know about it thanks to these quests, and whatever quests come after them, but not everyone will know it's an exploit because no one can tell them it is. They'll just rightly assume it's the way the game is meant to be played.
Not that this matters, I expect this post and many of the others in this thread will be pruned just as they were in my thread over the weekend.
yes, there are 5 quests by the same author all are exploit maps as clearly stated in his overview, I suggest reporting them all.
I have done so, twice.
Once via PM to ambisinisterr over a week ago, and was told that the info would be passed on to those who can make a decision.
And just 24 hours ago, via PM to Sominator, who told me more or less the same.
Given that it takes about 15 seconds to confirm these quests are exploits I can think of no valid reason for them still being there, and have been forced to conclude that PWE/Cryptic just doesn't care.
Sign me up to run and report these. If anyone wants to get a weekly group run together I'll be glad to do so. I love the idea of the foundry community policing ourselves.
The Delusions Quartet
Act 1: Nightmare on Market Street
Act 2: My Best Friend's Evil Wedding
This is what really blows my mind. I don't believe they have any intention of fixing the exploit, it's been months now and there's absolutely no sign they're working on it.
So why aren't we able to talk about it if it's going to remain a part of the game?
They can't use the excuse that the more people know about it the more it will be abused, because they aren't fixing it. Eventually everyone will know about it thanks to these quests, and whatever quests come after them, but not everyone will know it's an exploit because no one can tell them it is. They'll just rightly assume it's the way the game is meant to be played.
Not that this matters, I expect this post and many of the others in this thread will be pruned just as they were in my thread over the weekend.
Welcome to the perfect world.
Realistically, the only way to have anything done about it is to loudly and repeatedly post it so that everyone knows, since all the "bad guys" already know. The mods will ban you for it, but so what? Witness the Caturday exploit, which was only stopped once everyone started doing it.
Anyway, we were told by devs publicly on Foundry beta forums that this exact exploit was "not possible" and that it was a "solved problem", so this exploit doesn't exist.
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zovyaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
Exploits will always exist, or be found later. Yes, they should be fixed right away. But we all know MMO companies move very very slowly as a whole.
We have the power to remove these quests. The devs have given us the power. They've even said (wrongly, I think) that we should police ourselves. Here's our chance. A report here and there over a week or so will not unpublish those quests. It will take a concentrated group effort to stamp out the bad ones.
This is our sandbox, let's protect it while we're here playing in it.
Exploits will always exist, or be found later. Yes, they should be fixed right away. But we all know MMO companies move very very slowly as a whole.
We have the power to remove these quests. The devs have given us the power. They've even said (wrongly, I think) that we should police ourselves. Here's our chance. A report here and there over a week or so will not unpublish those quests. It will take a concentrated group effort to stamp out the bad ones.
This is our sandbox, let's protect it while we're here playing in it.
You've missed the concentrated reporting of some of these. It's a crosswalk button.
Sign me up to run and report these. If anyone wants to get a weekly group run together I'll be glad to do so. I love the idea of the foundry community policing ourselves.
Officer peas!
Officer groshie, reporting for duty!
Rescue in Rainwall, ID: NW-DRQK3HKVV Chef's Challenge, ID: NW-DGTKIBVF3 The Dreamfall Campaign, ID: NWS-DEB7Z9IJC(3 Quests) Ogre: For the win!, ID: NW-DR5O3PD63 Cults and Culture, ID: NW-DCLSFYSQ2
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delrachnidMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 49
edited July 2013
Getting pushed into obscurity when it's so vital for your quest to get viewed is devastating. My own quest has been in the New tab for a week and was consistently getting played much to my excitement. I'm a new author and still have this awe and humbleness when I see my quests getting attention. Once the Tymora Travesty occurred my quest got pushed down the list by a quest that is the equivalent of a three year old's drawing of a fire truck. Sent complaint in via help ticket. It may amount to nothing, but it's something.
Well, I've sent a screenshot of the catalog over to the proper email address (after asking the admin about it). Let's hope something happens... And yes. I have faith something will happen, even if we are never informed about it. Not posting it here, though I'll send it as an attachment to anyone who asks.
*sings* "I like Gammera! He's so neat!!! He is full of turtle meat!!!"
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
Well, I've sent a screenshot of the catalog over to the proper email address (after asking the admin about it). Let's hope something happens... And yes. I have faith something will happen, even if we are never informed about it. Not posting it here, though I'll send it as an attachment to anyone who asks.
We have the power to remove these quests. The devs have given us the power.
No we don't and no they haven't.
We have the power to "report" but it requires PWE/Cryptic to be willing to act on those reports, and then actually do so to have ant effect at all.
All 5 of the well known quests we can not name were reported to a Mod via PM over a week ago. Zeb confirmed that the info had been passed on to the correct people. The maps are still there, getting more plays and higher up the Best list.
Another thread popped up and Zeb suggested that if we weren't happy with the speed things were moving to PM Sominator direct - I did that 36 hours ago, and was again informed that the info had been passed on to those with the power to act.
The maps are still there.
Given that a blind man could ID these maps as exploit maps withing 20 seconds of joining one what does that tell us?
We're on our own.
PWE/Cryptic will do as they did in STO - absolutely nothing.
That leaves two options: learn to live with it, or move on.
If I need to keep saying this, I will. If there are enough reports within a short timeframe, the game will automatically unpublish the quest until reviewed by a dev.
So who's in game now? Let's go.
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tsumoroMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 151Bounty Hunter
edited July 2013
This does need to be addressed, I feel that this has gone on long enough and I have seen some good authors clam up with their quest creations purely because the system currently in place is exploitative and in some cases causes forms of harassment.
This thread really needs a fire marshal from Cryptic to really put the flames out of this seemingly out of control blaze of frustration and anger that is taking place. It needs an official to say "Hey, guys, we are listening. We are working on it". then to follow through with an update.
If they are unsure what authors issues are then why not utilize twitch or other streaming media to answer concerns, to take things seriously within the community and more importantly to give a face behind the avatars to which we can trust and rely on.
Now, I am not coming here without suggestions, here are a couple of mine.
1) Create an official moderator with the power to remove quests from the foundry. They would receive the exploit notification they would play the quest and determine whether it breaks the TOS. Heck, pay me
2) Remove 'Best' and 'Featured' listings, this form of promotion does not work. If Cryptic like a quest they play they can always put it on the website. But in game, the compulsion to 'cheat' is too high and with this game not being sub-based people can just make another account if banned and keep the AD flowing if they wish to.
Once these have been removed you create a single foundry column which as all the quests present. The quests will move up and down based on the amount of 'plays' they have. There will be achievements added to promote quests with low plays. For example (complete 100 quests below 10 plays).
You do away with the star system, you create a 'review' system which has the player choose to leave a written review to which they say why they liked or disliked with a tipping option which allows players to tip a free amount (no margins).
This way authors get feedback to their quest to improve and don't have to worry about the large investment of time and energy spent being wasted not being able to climb the best/featured listings.
If I need to keep saying this, I will. If there are enough reports within a short timeframe, the game will automatically unpublish the quest until reviewed by a dev.
So who's in game now? Let's go.
How many, in what time frame?
Until you have that exact information you have a weapon, but no ammunition and no target to aim at if you did.
I appreciate Zovya's initiative here. To those of you complaining about the system but unwilling to offer up other suggestions, I implore you to at least try this before starting the nay saying. Would it be better if PWE or Cryptic took care of this? Absolutely. But since we cannot force them to do so, why not take the problem into our own hands to do something about it.
The Delusions Quartet
Act 1: Nightmare on Market Street
Act 2: My Best Friend's Evil Wedding
I appreciate Zovya's initiative here. To those of you complaining about the system but unwilling to offer up other suggestions, I implore you to at least try this before starting the nay saying. Would it be better if PWE or Cryptic took care of this? Absolutely. But since we cannot force them to do so, why not take the problem into our own hands to do something about it.
How many times must one try official channels before coming to the conclusion they don't work?
How many times must one try official channels before coming to the conclusion they don't work?
It appears to me that it isn't only that they don't work, but more like they were designed from the start not to work.
Cryptic/PWE have experience of this, they know ALL the mistakes they made in STO, there's no excuse for repeating those mistakes here, and the only conclusion we can logically come to is that they wanted things how they are.
Heya guys I suggest the next time Cryptic hold a live stream, Q&A, or any promo for their new products for this game, a group of us, anonymously, should ask them the hard questions.
PM me if you want take the Foundry back, I'll give you our vent info.
NW-DT4OV7EXH
Every time they idiot-proof something...they make better idiots.
Heya guys I suggest the next time Cryptic hold a live stream, Q&A, or any promo for their new products for this game, a group of us, anonymously, should ask them the hard questions.
PM me if you want take the Foundry back, I'll give you our vent info.
Kind of lost any chance of anonymity there Nyghoma
I say lets get back on track. I am still on Beholder with about an hour of play time left.
PS: remove your signature, it is false advertising ::snootyface::
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited July 2013
. . . . . Closing this too. The OP's Information is great yet the posts that ensued, in relation to those user's other posts here and there, were not. Contact Support to report problem users, exploits, or exploit maps. The forums are not a soap box nor a place to discuss exploits or exploiters.
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Fair enough, I wouldn't know. All the foundry quest's I have played have come from these boards. I only started looking at the new tab a couple of days. I was surprised to see my own quest on there.
I know you play many, many quest, and that's very good of you, I often play quest's on the streangth of your reviews. Such as Drow family ties, which is next on my to do list.
I would honestly hate to think that anyone would do any quest for the sake of one staring it. Exploit or not. That's all I meant.
About me playing quests; there is nothing altruistic about it, I am awed by Foundry authors every day and get so much pleasure from your work. It's a travesty the catalogue doesn't have a place for all genuine authors.
This is what really blows my mind. I don't believe they have any intention of fixing the exploit, it's been months now and there's absolutely no sign they're working on it.
So why aren't we able to talk about it if it's going to remain a part of the game?
They can't use the excuse that the more people know about it the more it will be abused, because they aren't fixing it. Eventually everyone will know about it thanks to these quests, and whatever quests come after them, but not everyone will know it's an exploit because no one can tell them it is. They'll just rightly assume it's the way the game is meant to be played.
Not that this matters, I expect this post and many of the others in this thread will be pruned just as they were in my thread over the weekend.
Okay, Panic.
I have done so, twice.
Once via PM to ambisinisterr over a week ago, and was told that the info would be passed on to those who can make a decision.
And just 24 hours ago, via PM to Sominator, who told me more or less the same.
Given that it takes about 15 seconds to confirm these quests are exploits I can think of no valid reason for them still being there, and have been forced to conclude that PWE/Cryptic just doesn't care.
All The Best
Looking For Reviews For Your Foundry Quest?
Drop By Scribe's Enclave & Meet Up With Volunteer Reviewers.
Act 1: Nightmare on Market Street
Act 2: My Best Friend's Evil Wedding
Realistically, the only way to have anything done about it is to loudly and repeatedly post it so that everyone knows, since all the "bad guys" already know. The mods will ban you for it, but so what? Witness the Caturday exploit, which was only stopped once everyone started doing it.
Anyway, we were told by devs publicly on Foundry beta forums that this exact exploit was "not possible" and that it was a "solved problem", so this exploit doesn't exist.
We have the power to remove these quests. The devs have given us the power. They've even said (wrongly, I think) that we should police ourselves. Here's our chance. A report here and there over a week or so will not unpublish those quests. It will take a concentrated group effort to stamp out the bad ones.
This is our sandbox, let's protect it while we're here playing in it.
Officer peas!
Officer groshie, reporting for duty!
Chef's Challenge, ID: NW-DGTKIBVF3
The Dreamfall Campaign, ID: NWS-DEB7Z9IJC (3 Quests)
Ogre: For the win!, ID: NW-DR5O3PD63
Cults and Culture, ID: NW-DCLSFYSQ2
Every time they idiot-proof something...they make better idiots.
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
/10 char.
No we don't and no they haven't.
We have the power to "report" but it requires PWE/Cryptic to be willing to act on those reports, and then actually do so to have ant effect at all.
All 5 of the well known quests we can not name were reported to a Mod via PM over a week ago. Zeb confirmed that the info had been passed on to the correct people. The maps are still there, getting more plays and higher up the Best list.
Another thread popped up and Zeb suggested that if we weren't happy with the speed things were moving to PM Sominator direct - I did that 36 hours ago, and was again informed that the info had been passed on to those with the power to act.
The maps are still there.
Given that a blind man could ID these maps as exploit maps withing 20 seconds of joining one what does that tell us?
We're on our own.
PWE/Cryptic will do as they did in STO - absolutely nothing.
That leaves two options: learn to live with it, or move on.
All The Best
Looking For Reviews For Your Foundry Quest?
Drop By Scribe's Enclave & Meet Up With Volunteer Reviewers.
If I need to keep saying this, I will. If there are enough reports within a short timeframe, the game will automatically unpublish the quest until reviewed by a dev.
So who's in game now? Let's go.
This thread really needs a fire marshal from Cryptic to really put the flames out of this seemingly out of control blaze of frustration and anger that is taking place. It needs an official to say "Hey, guys, we are listening. We are working on it". then to follow through with an update.
If they are unsure what authors issues are then why not utilize twitch or other streaming media to answer concerns, to take things seriously within the community and more importantly to give a face behind the avatars to which we can trust and rely on.
Now, I am not coming here without suggestions, here are a couple of mine.
1) Create an official moderator with the power to remove quests from the foundry. They would receive the exploit notification they would play the quest and determine whether it breaks the TOS. Heck, pay me
2) Remove 'Best' and 'Featured' listings, this form of promotion does not work. If Cryptic like a quest they play they can always put it on the website. But in game, the compulsion to 'cheat' is too high and with this game not being sub-based people can just make another account if banned and keep the AD flowing if they wish to.
Once these have been removed you create a single foundry column which as all the quests present. The quests will move up and down based on the amount of 'plays' they have. There will be achievements added to promote quests with low plays. For example (complete 100 quests below 10 plays).
You do away with the star system, you create a 'review' system which has the player choose to leave a written review to which they say why they liked or disliked with a tipping option which allows players to tip a free amount (no margins).
This way authors get feedback to their quest to improve and don't have to worry about the large investment of time and energy spent being wasted not being able to climb the best/featured listings.
That is all.
Tsu
How many, in what time frame?
Until you have that exact information you have a weapon, but no ammunition and no target to aim at if you did.
They gave us nothing, just an illusion.
All The Best
Looking For Reviews For Your Foundry Quest?
Drop By Scribe's Enclave & Meet Up With Volunteer Reviewers.
They're not going to tell us that. It could be exploited also. The only other option is to throw up our hands, and give up?
Act 1: Nightmare on Market Street
Act 2: My Best Friend's Evil Wedding
There is only one option, there has only ever been one option - put up with it.
Because if we complain too loud too often we'll get banned, a certain someone whose name began with K suffered that fate.
The option Cryptic/PWE has given us is simple - put up with it... ...or else.
And I don't want my account banned.
All The Best
Looking For Reviews For Your Foundry Quest?
Drop By Scribe's Enclave & Meet Up With Volunteer Reviewers.
Meanwhile I'm on Beholder (@karitr), willing to group up and report.
It appears to me that it isn't only that they don't work, but more like they were designed from the start not to work.
Cryptic/PWE have experience of this, they know ALL the mistakes they made in STO, there's no excuse for repeating those mistakes here, and the only conclusion we can logically come to is that they wanted things how they are.
All The Best
Looking For Reviews For Your Foundry Quest?
Drop By Scribe's Enclave & Meet Up With Volunteer Reviewers.
PM me if you want take the Foundry back, I'll give you our vent info.
Every time they idiot-proof something...they make better idiots.
Kind of lost any chance of anonymity there Nyghoma
I say lets get back on track. I am still on Beholder with about an hour of play time left.
PS: remove your signature, it is false advertising ::snootyface::
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