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My Prediction was right ... Mass Exodus Clerics and Generally ppl.....

capricornus16capricornus16 Member Posts: 62
edited June 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
I'm guild less player.

2 days ago made prediction that xx clerics gonna leave character or game becasue they will be not able healing.


From my Friend list 15 ppl already said they quittin the game beasue they are un able heal.

You know i was passionate about my class also.


and Guess what I WAS UN BALE out heal single minons group.. becasue of long CD's.



yes yes yes , all gonna say ADAPT , change respec. and Im tellin you.. IDK who is testing that game .. and how Cryptic is "LISTENING FEEDBACK" but they don't




you wanna best example of balancing game ? Who ever was plyin at CLOSE BETA know how GWF was strong . Cryptic balance game that GWF was bad for months. now they needed rebuffin them again.

Im thinkin how mutch time someone gonna realise that cleric just sux. YOU MADE "1 skill to importnat , and other skill at all usless"


ps. Forget about walkin on 1 cleric at CN . That was barerly possible before patch. Now it's IMPOSSIBLe
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  • capricornus16capricornus16 Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2013
    ps. I have also crysis .. all ppl now blamin that we can't heal them GJ..
  • whiteshadow02whiteshadow02 Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well i dont cn earlier today with x2 cw, gf, tr and 1 dc np, it simply means i need to use Knights Valor 2 seconds prior to your shield running out, it also means i cannot merely facetank the entire content and tab out.
  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    That is the circle of life in MMO.
    Good players adapt, bad players reroll another FOTM.

    Ever considered the possibility that having sentinel GWF or GF is now much more balanced and easier then going with yet another TR?
  • th0rfinnth0rfinn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 119 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Don't listen to these people, in every game i've played you have to pot even if u have a healer. You can't heal god mode, people have to use potions.
  • capricornus16capricornus16 Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2013
    yeah , but more and more ppl ragin from game also. becasue of that fact. it's like heal , oh wait Bastion of Heal ahve 20 seconds cooldown and im running like a chicekn withouth heal
  • kashimaa1kashimaa1 Member Posts: 104
    edited June 2013
    thats their business model.

    attract young gamers. make them pay zen for things like bags or wards and so on. stuff you usually get FOR FREE in other games.
    then nerf some classes and hope these young gamers reroll the next FOTM and let them pay again for stuff they need.
  • gctrlgctrl Member Posts: 459 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    kashimaa1 wrote: »
    thats their business model.

    attract young gamers. make them pay zen for things like bags or wards and so on. stuff you usually get FOR FREE in other games.
    then nerf some classes and hope these young gamers reroll the next FOTM and let them pay again for stuff they need.

    lol there is no FOTM in this game right now, this "business model" you think they have is total nonsense.
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  • satorusenpaisatorusenpai Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 167 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    th0rfinn wrote: »
    Don't listen to these people, in every game i've played you have to pot even if u have a healer. You can't heal god mode, people have to use potions.

    I have played quite a few where healers were given a couple burst heals with fair cool downs.
  • snowballosnowballo Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    We still did CN with just 1 DC, was harder than before especially with the CW's shield bug (Shield cooldown not being lowered by astral mastery stacks) and less AS, but absolutely doable.
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  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    kashimaa1 wrote: »
    thats their business model.

    attract young gamers. make them pay zen for things like bags or wards and so on. stuff you usually get FOR FREE in Buy to play or subscription games.
    then nerf some classes and hope these young gamers reroll the next FOTM and let them pay again for stuff they need.

    Fixed for you, no need to thank.
    And FOTM rerollers are the lowest kind of players anyway, I wouldn't bother with them anyway, they unskilled and have to rely on class OPness to achiever moderate results.
  • swoomustdienowswoomustdienow Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 136 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    lerdocix wrote: »
    That is the circle of life in MMO.
    Good players adapt, bad players reroll another FOTM.

    Actually you have that in reverse.

    The top guilds in the world constantly re-rolled and cycled races to keep on top of the power curve in various other MMO's, while the more casual (yet still capable of being in a hardcore raid mentality) stuck with what they had.
  • stercogburnstercogburn Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 214 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Still playing cleric.
    Roo. Cleric. Mad as a bag of badgers, will heal for beer.

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  • solsticexisolsticexi Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'm guild less player.

    2 days ago made prediction that xx clerics gonna leave character or game becasue they will be not able healing.


    From my Friend list 15 ppl already said they quittin the game beasue they are un able heal.

    You know i was passionate about my class also.


    and Guess what I WAS UN BALE out heal single minons group.. becasue of long CD's.



    yes yes yes , all gonna say ADAPT , change respec. and Im tellin you.. IDK who is testing that game .. and how Cryptic is "LISTENING FEEDBACK" but they don't




    you wanna best example of balancing game ? Who ever was plyin at CLOSE BETA know how GWF was strong . Cryptic balance game that GWF was bad for months. now they needed rebuffin them again.

    Im thinkin how mutch time someone gonna realise that cleric just sux. YOU MADE "1 skill to importnat , and other skill at all usless"


    ps. Forget about walkin on 1 cleric at CN . That was barerly possible before patch. Now it's IMPOSSIBLe

    You seriously don't get it do you...

    This changes is to create more balance & diversity for all the class roles,

    So what if you can't heal like how you did during pre-patch. Now other roles are handling the aggro and damage better, you are not the only one keeping the entire team alive, THEY are keeping you alive as well. You have to work hand in hand with the group plus this isn't your traditional mmo...you aren't a heal bot...you have to learn to time your heals and make better judgement of the situation. I admit i did rage about the AS changes at first but i also knew it too well that this happens on almost every MMO. We have to ADAPT to changes whether we like it or not. Don't be a weaksauce and run away thinking its all just cryptic's fault.

    Also you should find a guild or a proper static group to run with for a better experience. PUGs are fine but sometimes it doesn't turn out well if you get what i mean (incompetent players etc.), plus the queue system is still pretty ****ty and you don't get the desired class roles sometimes.
  • arashiwatanabearashiwatanabe Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 43
    edited June 2013
    Did anyone else have issues reading this?
  • mackehmackeh Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    solsticexi wrote: »
    .. plus the queue system is still pretty ****ty and you don't get the desired class roles sometimes.

    Hehe .. I'm amazed you only get it 'sometimes' .. it's more often for me by far.
  • morsitansmorsitans Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1,284 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    solsticexi wrote: »
    You seriously don't get it do you...

    This changes is to create more balance & diversity for all the class roles,

    So what if you can't heal like how you did during pre-patch. Now other roles are handling the aggro and damage better, you are not the only one keeping the entire team alive, THEY are keeping you alive as well.

    Please explain how we can do this while in solo foundry quests, or out farming for crappy greens to get potion money?

    Because previously this was fine: our low damage output was matched by our self-healing. Now it's entirely possible to get steamrolled in a foundry quest, which is...well, annoying AND embarassing. I don't want to have to find a pet GF every time I want to do anything non-dungeon.
  • cesmode8cesmode8 Member Posts: 384 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    I'm guild less player.

    2 days ago made prediction that xx clerics gonna leave character or game becasue they will be not able healing.


    From my Friend list 15 ppl already said they quittin the game beasue they are un able heal.

    You know i was passionate about my class also.


    and Guess what I WAS UN BALE out heal single minons group.. becasue of long CD's.



    yes yes yes , all gonna say ADAPT , change respec. and Im tellin you.. IDK who is testing that game .. and how Cryptic is "LISTENING FEEDBACK" but they don't




    you wanna best example of balancing game ? Who ever was plyin at CLOSE BETA know how GWF was strong . Cryptic balance game that GWF was bad for months. now they needed rebuffin them again.

    Im thinkin how mutch time someone gonna realise that cleric just sux. YOU MADE "1 skill to importnat , and other skill at all usless"


    ps. Forget about walkin on 1 cleric at CN . That was barerly possible before patch. Now it's IMPOSSIBLe

    Your friends arent good players. Im healing just fine. I love it.
  • solsticexisolsticexi Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mackeh wrote: »
    Hehe .. I'm amazed you only get it 'sometimes' .. it's more often for me by far.

    Because i hardly ever pugged.
    morsitans wrote: »
    Please explain how we can do this while in solo foundry quests, or out farming for crappy greens to get potion money?

    Because previously this was fine: our low damage output was matched by our self-healing. Now it's entirely possible to get steamrolled in a foundry quest, which is...well, annoying AND embarassing. I don't want to have to find a pet GF every time I want to do anything non-dungeon.

    I must be doing the really easy ones then, i havent had any trouble soloing foundry quest or grinds even in post patch. The only problem i had was thinking of a way to keep heals up during that 5 sec downtime and usually timing a FF in solves the problem. Keeping divinity up currently seems not much of an issue even with the Ethereal boon fix but the same can't be said for Higher end T2s of course.

    oh and im pretty geared so maybe that solves one part too.
  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Actually you have that in reverse.

    The top guilds in the world constantly re-rolled and cycled races to keep on top of the power curve in various other MMO's, while the more casual (yet still capable of being in a hardcore raid mentality) stuck with what they had.

    A narrow spectrum of players belong to top guilds, thats why I mentioned only bads, they blindly follow QQs and FOTMs to do everything to make up for their lack of skill, they are "the core" of the mmos. Casuals(and semi hardcore players) according to your description are the other part of core that sticks to their class and adapts.
  • nullwolf1nullwolf1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    15 people = Mass Exodus... :eek:

    I currently have 4 actual friends playing... 3 of them have Cleric mains... one of them just started... so... old players out, new players in... I'll level a cleric when another race after drow is released, depending on what it is...
  • nightfer01nightfer01 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 133 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    I dont think that clerics are that bad anymore. Right now all the aggro /when ofc you dont have a tank/ is taken by the mages. If they cant handle it with all the CCs they have, you are gonna have a bad time. I did a Karrundax and Temple of the Spider with a non-guild friends of mine and we did them pretty easy with only 1 DC 2 TRs and 2 CWs. No more GODMODE and EASYMODE. Its time to see who are good players and who are bad.

    I like the "good players adapt, bad players reroll" saying cause its true. DCs relied on AS way too much, now its time to adapt to the new tactics and start using your brains.

    GG WP!
  • lerdocixlerdocix Member Posts: 897 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nullwolf1 wrote: »
    15 people = Mass Exodus... :eek:

    I currently have 4 actual friends playing... 3 of them have Cleric mains... one of them just started... so... old players out, new players in... I'll level a cleric when a new race is released, depending on what it is...

    New race is a drow, you had to live under a rock to not know that because its a common knowledge.
  • kevinf08kevinf08 Member Posts: 432 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    If you wanted to prove that your predictions were right you would need statistical evidence as opposed to anecdotal evidence that you are probably exaggerating as well.
  • nullwolf1nullwolf1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lerdocix wrote: »
    New race is a drow, you had to live under a rock to not know that because its a common knowledge.

    I said A race... I know drow are next, but I'll probably wait till the one after that for a cleric... I'll be using drow for another class... and I don't like to have more than one of a race...

    Fixed original post.
  • damatsudamatsu Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    this is a P2W F2P game of course the healer class cant actually heal ! its not ****ing rocket science they want people to buy cash shop potions. thats the bottom line. Ive never seen any F2P game where the healer can actually maintain a party. You'd have to be a fricking water-head to believe otherwise. They just want your cash and want you to buy potions; why else would trash mobs in raid be able to nearly 1shot you.....SO YOU BUY CASH SHOP POTIONS TO SPAM SO YOU DONT DIE. This is also a perfectworld game not a cryptic game dont fool yourselves people.
  • nightfer01nightfer01 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 133 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    damatsu wrote: »
    this is a P2W F2P game of course the healer class cant actually heal ! its not ****ing rocket science they want people to buy cash shop potions. thats the bottom line. Ive never seen any F2P game where the healer can actually maintain a party. You'd have to be a fricking water-head to believe otherwise. They just want your cash and want you to buy potions; why else would trash mobs in raid be able to nearly 1shot you.....SO YOU BUY CASH SHOP POTIONS TO SPAM SO YOU DONT DIE. This is also a perfectworld game not a cryptic game dont fool yourselves people.

    Sir, please, uninstall your brain.
  • bbsoonerbbsooner Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 84
    edited June 2013
    I still play my dc, just as fun as ever. To a degree its beneficial for the mmo to be 'bad' friendly so the population doesn't become too scarce. But for now its not. So make whatever conclusions you'd like, but the class isn't broken, it's just not autopilot.
  • pnellesenpnellesen Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    damatsu wrote: »
    Ive never seen any F2P game where the healer can actually maintain a party.

    My Battle Clerics and Caster Clerics in DDO never had any problems healing a party or raid. Unless the party members were, shall we say, "not the sharpest arrows in the quiver"
  • nornsavantnornsavant Member Posts: 311 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nightfer01 wrote: »
    I like the "good players adapt, bad players reroll" saying cause its true. DCs relied on AS way too much, now its time to adapt to the new tactics and start using your brains.

    This is a terrible aphorism in that it doesn’t describe this action at all. This is saying that people who play something that they don’t like and accept gameplay they think is awful are “good” players while people who look for gameplay that accommodates their play style are “bad” players.

    Do you routinely eat things that you hate or spend all your time doing things you hate to do, because by this logic that would make you a “good” person.

    I get some of the dissatisfaction. The game and the learning curve and the classes were one way before the patch and now it’s a different way. I can understand how one might not appreciate the game demanding a brand new learning curve. I am not even talking about whether or not it was needed, those threads have already sailed. But from the perspective of someone impacted, it could seem like a class you loved is now a class you hate.

    And you are saying that if they now hate their class and go find another class that fits their play style better they are “bad”? Are you actively wishing for these people to have a bad time?

    Perhaps it would be a better thing to offer encouragement. So they dropped their clerics? Well it’s not a class for everyone. Certainly there is a class that is better for them and I hope they find it and can get back to having a good time. Leveling is still pretty quick and your friends and you will be up and competitive again in no time.

    For the record, I agree with the changes made and I am happy to see them addressed.

    Now for the “Add a ‘get all’ button to mail screen” campaign!
  • reilz1981reilz1981 Member Posts: 512 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    i have 1 issue with clerics why is the at wills so weak 300-400 for 2 of the at wills 1 is 1000 but really this is very weak i find a cleric a good overall class that can adapt to most situations but the atwills need some tuning
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