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I NEED to NEED roll simply because i CAN!!!!
chadblodgett
Member Posts: 49 Arc User
I play on the Dragon server and this kind of behavior is ABSOLUTELY rampant. in just about every single PUG group I have joined there is at least one person in the group who need rolls everything.
When I take offence to it, the first argument I hear is that "everything is unidentified so we have to roll need".....here's a big hint .....EVEN UNIDENTIFIED ITEMS DISPLAY CLASS RESTRICTIONS on their tool-tips if you actually take the time to look. So that excuse does NOT hold water. I cant even begin to count how many times I have watched someone "need" roll an unidentified item that had a class restriction on it simply because they could not be bothered to examine the item they rolled on before doing so. And yes, I realize that there are some items (mainly green and white jewelry and belt items) that are "universal" but even still, I personally consider it bad form to 'need' roll on a green item (without asking the groups permission first), and so do most other players I would think.
Now on to my suggestions for how to fix this FUBAR mess of a loot system.
1. Never...ever..allow a "need" roll on class redistricted items (regardless of item quality) not for the players class.
2. Make unidentified items with class restrictions show up with red icon overlays so that it is more readily apparent that it is, in fact, a class restricted item. I.E. make whats already in use brighter and bolder.
3. Make all dungeon loot that is "blue" quality or better "Bind on Acquire" so that the items can not be sold on the AH for a profit. At most it can be sold to a vendor for a few copper.
Number 1 removes the ability to "Ninja" the loot while in the dungeon, Number 3 removes the incentive for doing so, and Number 2 just makes it easier for the lazy folks who don't bother to check tool-tips before rolling.
PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!
When I take offence to it, the first argument I hear is that "everything is unidentified so we have to roll need".....here's a big hint .....EVEN UNIDENTIFIED ITEMS DISPLAY CLASS RESTRICTIONS on their tool-tips if you actually take the time to look. So that excuse does NOT hold water. I cant even begin to count how many times I have watched someone "need" roll an unidentified item that had a class restriction on it simply because they could not be bothered to examine the item they rolled on before doing so. And yes, I realize that there are some items (mainly green and white jewelry and belt items) that are "universal" but even still, I personally consider it bad form to 'need' roll on a green item (without asking the groups permission first), and so do most other players I would think.
Now on to my suggestions for how to fix this FUBAR mess of a loot system.
1. Never...ever..allow a "need" roll on class redistricted items (regardless of item quality) not for the players class.
2. Make unidentified items with class restrictions show up with red icon overlays so that it is more readily apparent that it is, in fact, a class restricted item. I.E. make whats already in use brighter and bolder.
3. Make all dungeon loot that is "blue" quality or better "Bind on Acquire" so that the items can not be sold on the AH for a profit. At most it can be sold to a vendor for a few copper.
Number 1 removes the ability to "Ninja" the loot while in the dungeon, Number 3 removes the incentive for doing so, and Number 2 just makes it easier for the lazy folks who don't bother to check tool-tips before rolling.
PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!
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I find it really ironic that people who need on stuff they can`t use get really upset when they lose on their own class gear. I`m willing to bet in the future he will be more hesitant on need rolling on stuff he can`t use to avoid that situation again.
Best you can hope for is only need on stuff you can use but then people will be on here moaning about dou che bags needing on gear when they are already wearing the item or have one that is better.
Personally I just wait and see which way the wind is blowing if someone is needing and the item isn't for them I will also need and often if I win I will give it to the person who actually needs it.
I know there are a lot of arseholes out there but you do get decent groups in Pugs, I had one today and everynoe greeded respectfully if they couldn't use the item but even this opens the way for someone to win everything just because they are the right class.
That's where the BoP on Need Roll suggestion comes in.
Everytime someone need rolls a window pop up asking to make sure because it will be BOP pops up.
Simple.
IMO I'd rather have the last boss of dungeons drop gear for EVERYONE like delve chest, then make dungeon delve event have some other bonus.
Remove gear from the previous bosses and give them more seals, then maybe put more gear choices in the seal vendors.
Would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better.
I do the same thing as well, when I am party lead in PUGS I also make it abundantly clear that I will in fact kick anyone I catch ninja looting non class items. one of the other bigggest problems that just further compounds the problem is that currently the party leader is the only one who can kick someone from a group.....but what happens when the ninja looter IS the party leader???....the rest of the party either has to suck it up and roll need on everything and hope for the best, or bail on the group. They need to implement a vote-kicking system for groups to help combat this as well.
What I do is accept that if I use the group finder, any gear I get is a nice bonus. Of course I still play by the unwritten MMORPG loot rules of rolling need on stuff that is for my class and greed on stuff that isn't, but I can still sell for money. I do not expect the random internet strangers who used the queue to join my dungeon to follow those same rules.
If I'm serious about getting gear for myself, I preform a group with as many friends as possible and come to a clear consensus about how loot will be handled before the drops start.
Pro-tip: Don't roll open PUG. No, not the shift+# option. The don't invite strangers and expect them to follow your code of ethics. Its like asking a vegan to eat meat.
Pro-tip: Get more friends, don't casual with the slumming pack. Its obvious a lack of social skill that is the problem, not the system. You know for a fact how the system works, but you still whine about it when it pops up in your face. And you let a video game bother you so much...better off uninstalling the game.
Its better to just give two options - roll and pass. No greed, no need. Everyone has the same chance (Back in 99 with EQ1, we only had /random 1-100 and it was honor to just loot it, freaking pansies the lot of you relying on loot dropping mechanics to your bag for security reasons) and if you can use it but lose it...then your barter or social skills need to be improved. Game either needs the roll or not roll...or just drop tokens, which is a neutral system because EVERYONE GETS THE SAME FEW FREAKING TOKENS AT THE END OF THE INSTANCE! Why not get 10? BANG! No *****whine required, you get the same thing as everyone else and just turn it in to the merchant for an item you want, then you sell on the AH if you don't need. Remember, TOKEN LOOT SYSTEM IS NEUTRAL AS EVERYONE GETS THEM!
If it's an enchant or a purple though, I try to save my roll selection until I see what the rest of the party is doing. Need on Enchants is pretty common. As is Universal Purple Need.
I figure, if nothing else, should I happen to win a purple I can't use, I'm a people pleaser and could easily be convinced to give it to someone if they're upset.
The need on class rolling is a stupid unfair system. So if I as a GF run a dungeon 10 times and nothing but Wizard loot drops, in your minds you think I deserve no chance to get any of those purples? Get real - anyone can make use of w/e class item it is to help further their character by selling it if its the wrong class item.
The FAIR method is EVERYONE having an EQUAL chance at rolling for every purple that drops. Period.
This post is pointless because of 2 reasons.
1. Cryptic has stated multiple times that they are revamping the party loot system.
2. Why the heck do you think its a good idea for things blue or higher to be BoP...
Read about it here: http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=896631
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