I think someone should look into this forum policy. Not having a community availible means of posting a blacklist of ninja lootes party droppers and group kickers is bad for the community.
Awareness is the number one tool players have to combatt these poor behaviors in mmos and having these forums restricted in that manner is,and will continue to hurt the community.
Please allow us to police our servers using these forums.
Then what stops me from lying and saying you are a ninja looter and should be blacklisted?
That's why it isn't allowed.
Indeed, he has the death sentence on twelve systems!
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rickfrankMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 13Arc User
edited May 2013
You can tell if a post is a single flame post or if it is a consistent series of posts complaining of a persons actions whether the complaints are justified or not. or you can assume everyone is lying and ignore the posts.
if the fact that complaints can be faked and so they should be ignored is all the justification you need to remove a reporting system in it's entirety than you can eliminate any reporting system in existence for those same reasons.
Since chaos if obviously not the answer we have to use good judgement. I'm just asking that those of us who wish to exercise judgement in determining whether claims are true or not, and in so doing improve our chances of avoiding an unpleasant experience, have the opportunity to share our information with like minded individuals.
I'm not forcing you to pay any attention to the complaint posts, and furthermore i would recommend the server forums perhaps have a separate section for player complaints or blacklists recommendations. You could entirely ignore that section and be fine, but those of us that want to improve our experience could instead use the section to better the community, or at least the portion of the community we interact with.
I think someone should look into this forum policy. Not having a community availible means of posting a blacklist of ninja lootes party droppers and group kickers is bad for the community.
Awareness is the number one tool players have to combatt these poor behaviors in mmos and having these forums restricted in that manner is,and will continue to hurt the community.
Please allow us to police our servers using these forums.
The game permits ninja looting and the economy encourages it. You and i might not like the practice but PWE does. It drives us to need huge amounts of AS to buy Bind on Equip loot and that in turn drives Zen sales for cash. That's why the Loot system is as it is. The people you want to name and shame are playing the game as it is intended they should play it. People like us, playing by older more civilised rules, are just being mugs to ourselves.
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
edited May 2013
Yeah, you should report them to the GMs instead. Oh wait, you can't, because the system is not working.
And even if it was, your ticket would probably just get "lost".
You can tell if a post is a single flame post or if it is a consistent series of posts complaining of a persons actions whether the complaints are justified or not. or you can assume everyone is lying and ignore the posts.
if the fact that complaints can be faked and so they should be ignored is all the justification you need to remove a reporting system in it's entirety than you can eliminate any reporting system in existence for those same reasons.
Since chaos if obviously not the answer we have to use good judgement. I'm just asking that those of us who wish to exercise judgement in determining whether claims are true or not, and in so doing improve our chances of avoiding an unpleasant experience, have the opportunity to share our information with like minded individuals.
I'm not forcing you to pay any attention to the complaint posts, and furthermore i would recommend the server forums perhaps have a separate section for player complaints or blacklists recommendations. You could entirely ignore that section and be fine, but those of us that want to improve our experience could instead use the section to better the community, or at least the portion of the community we interact with.
Yeah, never gonna happen.
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rickfrankMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 13Arc User
edited May 2013
Both of these comments reinforce my opinon that we should have a place on the forums to police the community ourselves. We could improve the community and they wouldn't need GM's to do so.
if the fact that complaints can be faked and so they should be ignored is all the justification you need to remove a reporting system in it's entirety than you can eliminate any reporting system in existence for those same reasons.
The people investigating the complaint can find out if the report is legitimate. We on the forums cannot.
Usually games do have this policy. Also usually games end up having a community forum other than the official one that the majority of players frequent that will allow that kind of thing. Just takes time.
Just walk away from the whole concept of bringing down "justice" on other players. There is no gain in that, just further agitation. Add nice and pleasant players to your friends list and form parties with them, and let poor behavior of others slide off your back. You can't change other people, just how you react to them.
If they allowed naming and shaming, it would turn into nothing but mutual flaming, real and fake accusations flying around, and what may have started with good intention would become just another harassment tool. If you posted someone's name, nothing would stop them and their friends smearing your name in response. Then you'd try to defend yourself, which then would make you an even better target from their perspective, and in the end it would all just blow up spectacularly.
The game gives you the tools to avoid unpleasant people: ignore, report spam, form your own parties (and be the leader), create or join guilds, and so forth. Make use of that and you will probably have a better time with the game. People can't get to you unless you allow them to. Sounds easier than it is, admittedly.
starkaosMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
The only thing necessary is having public queues set up so that you can't group up with ignored players and need is only available for players of the right class. If a Orb drops, then only Control Wizards should be able to click need on it.
You have your proof, but you will have no way to provide that proof to the community as a whole. And seeing as the game loot design allows this, ninja looting to you is using a game mechanic to the supposed ninja looter. (not that I agree with the current system, but it's the ruleset we are dealing with)
Your best bet is to keep the player(s) in question on your ignore list and move on.
I think someone should look into this forum policy. Not having a community availible means of posting a blacklist of ninja lootes party droppers and group kickers is bad for the community.
Awareness is the number one tool players have to combatt these poor behaviors in mmos and having these forums restricted in that manner is,and will continue to hurt the community.
Please allow us to police our servers using these forums.
why not, they already let us essentially moderate the in-game chat, dont see what the problem is with this.
Yeah, you should report them to the GMs instead. Oh wait, you can't, because the system is not working.
And even if it was, your ticket would probably just get "lost".
Report them for what? There is no rule, expressed or implied, concerning looting. Technically ninja looting is not against any Cryptic rule. Sure its rude, anti-social, and selfish. But unless it violates a rule, reporting is useless. And naming and shaming is, more likely then not, going to get the namer in more trouble then the looter.
Report them for what? There is no rule, expressed or implied, concerning looting. Technically ninja looting is not against any Cryptic rule. Sure its rude, anti-social, and selfish. But unless it violates a rule, reporting is useless. And naming and shaming is, more likely then not, going to get the namer in more trouble then the looter.
Report them for what? There is no rule, expressed or implied, concerning looting. Technically ninja looting is not against any Cryptic rule. Sure its rude, anti-social, and selfish. But unless it violates a rule, reporting is useless. And naming and shaming is, more likely then not, going to get the namer in more trouble then the looter.
This. Unfortunately, there is no rule against stupidity in ToS. As a mod for other forums, I've run into threads which were started while I was staring at the back of my eyelids...and those turned into massive blowups quickly.
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katbozejziemiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 856Arc User
Report them for what? There is no rule, expressed or implied, concerning looting. Technically ninja looting is not against any Cryptic rule. Sure its rude, anti-social, and selfish. But unless it violates a rule, reporting is useless. And naming and shaming is, more likely then not, going to get the namer in more trouble then the looter.
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I think someone should look into this forum policy. Not having a community availible means of posting a blacklist of ninja lootes party droppers and group kickers is bad for the community.
Awareness is the number one tool players have to combatt these poor behaviors in mmos and having these forums restricted in that manner is,and will continue to hurt the community.
Please allow us to police our servers using these forums.
Well there's absolutely nothing stopping you from creating your own website to host a blacklist on. Blogspot offers free blogging and commenting software.
...And being able to report someone for spam whether they have or not, effectively silencing them globally on the game, yeah, uh Double Chec-Chec-Check Mate?
People pointing out that person that is reporting incorrectly, it's not hard.
You have to realize that something like 90% of players never go to the forums. That means that in the vast majority of cases players aren't going to know that they have to come here to defend themselves.
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That's why it isn't allowed.
Indeed, he has the death sentence on twelve systems!
Yes, I seem to remember playing with someone with a similar name who was a ninja.
That's all the proof we need - burn him!
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if the fact that complaints can be faked and so they should be ignored is all the justification you need to remove a reporting system in it's entirety than you can eliminate any reporting system in existence for those same reasons.
Since chaos if obviously not the answer we have to use good judgement. I'm just asking that those of us who wish to exercise judgement in determining whether claims are true or not, and in so doing improve our chances of avoiding an unpleasant experience, have the opportunity to share our information with like minded individuals.
I'm not forcing you to pay any attention to the complaint posts, and furthermore i would recommend the server forums perhaps have a separate section for player complaints or blacklists recommendations. You could entirely ignore that section and be fine, but those of us that want to improve our experience could instead use the section to better the community, or at least the portion of the community we interact with.
The game permits ninja looting and the economy encourages it. You and i might not like the practice but PWE does. It drives us to need huge amounts of AS to buy Bind on Equip loot and that in turn drives Zen sales for cash. That's why the Loot system is as it is. The people you want to name and shame are playing the game as it is intended they should play it. People like us, playing by older more civilised rules, are just being mugs to ourselves.
And even if it was, your ticket would probably just get "lost".
Yeah, never gonna happen.
The people investigating the complaint can find out if the report is legitimate. We on the forums cannot.
If they allowed naming and shaming, it would turn into nothing but mutual flaming, real and fake accusations flying around, and what may have started with good intention would become just another harassment tool. If you posted someone's name, nothing would stop them and their friends smearing your name in response. Then you'd try to defend yourself, which then would make you an even better target from their perspective, and in the end it would all just blow up spectacularly.
The game gives you the tools to avoid unpleasant people: ignore, report spam, form your own parties (and be the leader), create or join guilds, and so forth. Make use of that and you will probably have a better time with the game. People can't get to you unless you allow them to. Sounds easier than it is, admittedly.
step2) ?=profit
Your best bet is to keep the player(s) in question on your ignore list and move on.
why not, they already let us essentially moderate the in-game chat, dont see what the problem is with this.
Report them for what? There is no rule, expressed or implied, concerning looting. Technically ninja looting is not against any Cryptic rule. Sure its rude, anti-social, and selfish. But unless it violates a rule, reporting is useless. And naming and shaming is, more likely then not, going to get the namer in more trouble then the looter.
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This. Unfortunately, there is no rule against stupidity in ToS. As a mod for other forums, I've run into threads which were started while I was staring at the back of my eyelids...and those turned into massive blowups quickly.
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Well there's absolutely nothing stopping you from creating your own website to host a blacklist on. Blogspot offers free blogging and commenting software.
People pointing out that person that is reporting incorrectly, it's not hard.
...And being able to report someone for spam whether they have or not, effectively silencing them globally on the game, yeah, uh Double Chec-Chec-Check Mate?
It would be one persons word versus another. We would usually not know which person is telling the truth.
She's a witch, can we burn her?
You have to realize that something like 90% of players never go to the forums. That means that in the vast majority of cases players aren't going to know that they have to come here to defend themselves.