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The Gwf Failure
gorillacherok
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lets start off with, no there does not need to be a pvp balance more of there should be a way to resist, how about some cc resist enchantments for utility slot, that will be all the balance pvp is needing
GWF FAILURE:
what purpose is gwf, decoration, he is not a tank with viable defense, he is not a healer, he is not a dps, he is not a cc, i played a power build with 6500 power 2500 crit and i playing now a crit build with 5500 power 3800 crit, yet tanks are out dpsing me. A GWF for pve is a failure and wasted my time and money, no one wants to party a gwf, they dont play any specific roles in the game, there not needed or wanted, they are by far under powered for pve, a huge aoe sounds nice, but wait for every enemy u hit u loose damage, how bad
GWF needs a buff, its a melee 2 hander, it hits slow, so give its power back, its clearly the class that should be slow hitting and 1 shotting, so where is its potential, give it a huge power multiplier to actually do something, as a 2 hand melee class this class should live up to the legacy of being able to solo so much, boost his defense and boost his power, make this class useable, the only thing a gwf can do is run, really fast, but all he can do is run
The most made raid party is : 2 DC 2 CW 1 TR
GF and GWF have no use in pve
Dont forget that in a raid a CW will cc the adds so much and so often that a melee class literally cant even get near them to even hit one.
GWF FAILURE:
what purpose is gwf, decoration, he is not a tank with viable defense, he is not a healer, he is not a dps, he is not a cc, i played a power build with 6500 power 2500 crit and i playing now a crit build with 5500 power 3800 crit, yet tanks are out dpsing me. A GWF for pve is a failure and wasted my time and money, no one wants to party a gwf, they dont play any specific roles in the game, there not needed or wanted, they are by far under powered for pve, a huge aoe sounds nice, but wait for every enemy u hit u loose damage, how bad
GWF needs a buff, its a melee 2 hander, it hits slow, so give its power back, its clearly the class that should be slow hitting and 1 shotting, so where is its potential, give it a huge power multiplier to actually do something, as a 2 hand melee class this class should live up to the legacy of being able to solo so much, boost his defense and boost his power, make this class useable, the only thing a gwf can do is run, really fast, but all he can do is run
The most made raid party is : 2 DC 2 CW 1 TR
GF and GWF have no use in pve
Dont forget that in a raid a CW will cc the adds so much and so often that a melee class literally cant even get near them to even hit one.
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Concerning his nick, he did very well for a gorilla.
Not sure what I'm doing different but when I'm in groups I'm comfortably doing enough damage to rank 1 or 2. I think it's still an underpowered class though too but have a tinker with feats etc... and see what you come out with. Don't give up on it just yet.
you can outdps almost every CW in aoe in pve.
what the **** l2p
Refrain from making silly post when your trash please. Thanks and bye.
Well I can't speak for GFs but GWFs in the know have taking to using animation-canceling tricks to try to stay competitive in dps. It's really not a fix though. Mostly people who don't think GWFs are underpowered don't understand the math and think coming in 2nd place in damage after a TR means that the class is doing fine. Of course, even if GWFs did adequate damage they still would be kicked out of parties in favor of CWs because of the nature of some dungeons, but that's an issue that's a bit more complicated to fix.
Which goes to show you know nothing about GWFs. Our single target at-will attack does about 1/3rd the damage of a TR's at-will. GWFs tend to prefer our multi-target at-wills precisely because even though they have slightly less dps than Sure Strike they do hit multiple targets.
The dps is not the top issue if an issue at all
Stupid dungeon design which allows CW to knock adds to instant death is an issue for GWF because the CW is much more desireable under these circumstances
The broken Sentinel path is an issue since GWF are supposed to be offtanks if specced right
The fact that a TR can tank better while taking less damage than a plate class is an issue
The fact that no one wants a fighter in their pug because the current best setup is 2 x DC, 2 x CW 1 x TR is a huge issue not just for GWF but also for GF
Actually I'm on my way as we speak. 46lv atm. The moment I got cleric companion was the moment everything started going nice.
What you say is what I say, its not that GWF is bad, its CW that is extremely overperforming. Same thing with TR, everyone knows they are over the top.
I've personally been with ONE sentinel GWF in group on T2 and it was awesome(I'm cleric), he managed to keep most of the stuff on himself somehow.
I'll say this again, its CWs and TRs extremely overperforming, not GWFs and GFs being weak, becase I've been in groups with them and they did extremely nice. But why have it nice, when you can faceroll with CWs and TRs?
Which AoE would that be, how many mobs(5 seems to be AoE cap for none daily) and what kind of mob, because some are armored.
I'm critting in AoE situations for 300-400 at level 46 with Weapon Masters Strike with 5+ mobs on me, I find it hard to believe what you say, but will find out soon enough as I'm leveling fast.
so i would love to be buffed even more
Thackerey from GW1 was better........ He was younger and more HAMSTER
How do you know your rank, exactly
This is sooo true,
GWF is an AoE melee class. Learn to speck for what they are supposed to be. While i can admit for PvP maybe they are a bit underwhelming , in PvE dungeons they do a **** ton of dmg to MULTIPLE targets if you know what you are doing.
if you don't like the class fine don't play it.
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stfu and learn how to play games.
Neways the aoe is not what u all imagine it to be, i initial crit 1200-1500 then dropping per mob, yes it hits every target around me, but so weak
my greatest attack crits 16k...... compared to a DC 70k or what about a TR 80k
Dps on trash mobs doesn't mean ****.
Oh wait... This is Neverwinter, endless waves of trash are the bosses.
You do realize that you can't just stand there and click buttons like WOW?
Hero of the North
what at 60? How about having some fun before that....
Sure it is, be with you 100 percent being orders of magnitude below just about everyone in the game, plus when those 5 hit back there all doing a hundred and it hurts. Its still not a lot and sure its great on trash...I'm 41 and doing the great wolf dungeon. Part of those "trash" mobs are scavengers, fighters, stormcallers and lords...multiples...they take a more than a few swipes to take down an get more than one on you and it can be trouble. The trash mobs scale faster than you and are usually a level or two above you, at higher levels even the "trash" gets tough.....
Let me guess....rogue????
Ive never seen actual numbers of what DCs and Rogues crit for level for level to a GWF but it would be interesting and eye opening id assume.....
Here is the problem with that, I run a lot with my GWF, which you're supposed to do, to avoid getting hit....they run out of stamina so fast and it takes so long to come back once I'm in a fight I'm out shortly after and I get a burst every now and then....but evade one or two attacks and I'm getting beaten on again....
you must be pting w/ the worst CWs in history to be out AOE dpsing them that is control wizards forte alone. Im almost always 1/2nd in pvp and pve dps and kill wise as CW
These seem to be the ideal parameters for really enjoying the GWF. If the Devs see this and think to themselves, “Dude, that’s sad. You should like, be able to like group and stuff.” Then they should consider making some changes such that some of these parameters are not so iron-clad.
To help you I have compiled a hand-dandy worksheet. Use it to get your development thoughts in line.
The GWF brings the unique ability of ________________ to a group.
The GWF can contribute like no one else can to a delv by using _______________.
The GWF can stand on his own even without a companion because of __________________.
Without a GWF in the group, the party will be missing __________________.
The GWF can complete PVE missions just like other classes by using _________________.
Let these answers or the questions they raise guide you in the development of this class.
Alternately you could use them as a form of mad-lib to pass the time while you are waiting for the injury debuff to fade assuming you actually play a GWF.