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mesteric
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I'm not sure the reason for such animosity, or outrage here.
I see:
"If there is a rollback, I'm quitting"
"If there isn't a rollback, I'm quitting"
"If there is a wipe, I'm quitting"
"If there isn't a wipe, I'm quitting"
So basically, "if you do, or don't, do anything some people are taking their ball and going home"
I've spend around $100 so far on the game, no where near as much as others...but...its a game. Be it I spent $1 or $1000 it's listed as being in open beta.
Regardless if it really is or just a HAMSTER launch labeled one..its implied as such..so its implied "Spend all the money you wish, we are calling it beta, you may lose everything, or not a single item..who knows its beta"
I spent my money with that in mind. Knowing that I could login one day and get nothing more than a simple "character wipe last night..start over" message.
Also People screaming about needing realtime customer feedback about the status of the fix, while at the same time screaming about what the fix is and disliking it.
It astounds me that the people I work with daily, that do publishing, and lively hood and job depends on the paper going out in the morning, are LESS outraged, impatient, hostile, pushy, arrogant, and nervous when something goes wrong and waiting on a rush fix from me at 4am to meet deadline in an emergency.
Than the people in an MMO as players when something pops up as needing downtown and looking into for something that is a hobby to them.
I'm in NO way defending the company, but more speaking about the playerbase.
What happened to MMOs? When did its playerbase turn into whiny, kicking and screaming, demanding zealots over things such as 'downtime'?
Even when I was in my early 20's and UO, NC, or EQ was having downtime, or a major "we need to fix this there may be a wipe" came around in the beta..I didn't cause this much of a "OMG!!! YOU SUX DEVS! I R GOING TO PLAY A NEW GAME!!!"
Maybe its my age, and looking back when MMO's wasn't what they are now in my 20's and 30's..where playerbases was different. Where they cared about the game, and its success. And not what venom they can throw at it, and threats of disloyalty to venture to another competitor, because their game of choice didn't please them for a few hours.
I saw UO and EQ down for days on end in beta to fix "huge issues" to only come back to a wipe after it, Sure there was the random "when its it coming back up?" posts...but you know what we did while we waited? Other things...there is other things out there you can do BESIDES staring at a monitor in anger.
Now a days kids/teens/young adults are so glued to their PC as 'the' form of entertainment, that if it goes down, they freak out..and feel personally damaged by whatever happens in a fake world, full of pixel people, that doesn't exist.
So did the company handle the bug reports badly? Yes. Did they not fix things in time? Yes. Could they have done better? Yes
But did the majority of players seem to go overly melodramatic about what happened? Yes also.
These are my 2 cents, take them as you will.
Many will disagree with me. And many will will have a difference of thoughts on the subject. Why they are opinions.. peoples differ.
I see:
"If there is a rollback, I'm quitting"
"If there isn't a rollback, I'm quitting"
"If there is a wipe, I'm quitting"
"If there isn't a wipe, I'm quitting"
So basically, "if you do, or don't, do anything some people are taking their ball and going home"
I've spend around $100 so far on the game, no where near as much as others...but...its a game. Be it I spent $1 or $1000 it's listed as being in open beta.
Regardless if it really is or just a HAMSTER launch labeled one..its implied as such..so its implied "Spend all the money you wish, we are calling it beta, you may lose everything, or not a single item..who knows its beta"
I spent my money with that in mind. Knowing that I could login one day and get nothing more than a simple "character wipe last night..start over" message.
Also People screaming about needing realtime customer feedback about the status of the fix, while at the same time screaming about what the fix is and disliking it.
It astounds me that the people I work with daily, that do publishing, and lively hood and job depends on the paper going out in the morning, are LESS outraged, impatient, hostile, pushy, arrogant, and nervous when something goes wrong and waiting on a rush fix from me at 4am to meet deadline in an emergency.
Than the people in an MMO as players when something pops up as needing downtown and looking into for something that is a hobby to them.
I'm in NO way defending the company, but more speaking about the playerbase.
What happened to MMOs? When did its playerbase turn into whiny, kicking and screaming, demanding zealots over things such as 'downtime'?
Even when I was in my early 20's and UO, NC, or EQ was having downtime, or a major "we need to fix this there may be a wipe" came around in the beta..I didn't cause this much of a "OMG!!! YOU SUX DEVS! I R GOING TO PLAY A NEW GAME!!!"
Maybe its my age, and looking back when MMO's wasn't what they are now in my 20's and 30's..where playerbases was different. Where they cared about the game, and its success. And not what venom they can throw at it, and threats of disloyalty to venture to another competitor, because their game of choice didn't please them for a few hours.
I saw UO and EQ down for days on end in beta to fix "huge issues" to only come back to a wipe after it, Sure there was the random "when its it coming back up?" posts...but you know what we did while we waited? Other things...there is other things out there you can do BESIDES staring at a monitor in anger.
Now a days kids/teens/young adults are so glued to their PC as 'the' form of entertainment, that if it goes down, they freak out..and feel personally damaged by whatever happens in a fake world, full of pixel people, that doesn't exist.
So did the company handle the bug reports badly? Yes. Did they not fix things in time? Yes. Could they have done better? Yes
But did the majority of players seem to go overly melodramatic about what happened? Yes also.
These are my 2 cents, take them as you will.
Many will disagree with me. And many will will have a difference of thoughts on the subject. Why they are opinions.. peoples differ.
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It's so awesome I get to repost this twice in a row.
My thoughts exactly. All I ask for is an ETA on when the servers will be back up. That's all I can ask for.
You need a some Dean Martin on the radio a cup of tea and a biscuit. You need to chill out.
Nepht and Dr Deflecto on primus
Don't you find it somewhat annoying that it's 2013 and we're still in the same boat as we were a decade ago? Seems when an MMO launch isn't a complete disaster, it's an exception.
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I'm happy they took actions by doing a small rollback and giving us a slight compensation. They kept us posted well enough on twitter/facebook and eventually the forums.
This is because people who ever worked in an environment where emergencies come up and cause significant disruptions know that screaming will not help anyone, especially the people trying to fix it. They know that **** happens and sometimes it is due to someone else HAMSTER up and sometimes it's you, not the end of the world. Correct asap and learn from the mistakes.
They already said they will not wipe due to this.
Rollbacks aren't wipes.
I've come to a realization tho, I've been to a lot of Free-To-Play servers and its pretty much a lot of the same thing just with a different cardboard cut out it seems.
-People Trying to Cheat/Abuse the System
-People Acting like Children
-People lacking Patience
-People lacking Respect
You can find that most of the players in any F2P MMO are gonna be like this, yes there are people like this in Subscriptions based games like WoW and such, but not so much and those kinds of MMOs have a lot of servers dedicated to 1 or 2 things that have a common ground so people get along a bit more.
Anyway to my point. I see where you are coming from, and it saddens me that this is the newer generation of Online Gaming, that these so called players will be running among us trying to find new ways on "How can we break this game today?" while me, you, and the few among us that decided to stay after this just want to have fun and enjoy the game and see it grow.
"You know you wanna fondle my dragons."
After all this the people that continue to play the game on whatever happens are the people that are worth playing with in game.
if they want to quit then go ahead.
Better playing with people that enjoy the game inside and out over people that go ON and OFF the game when some patch note they dont like happens
Because you'll most likely stumble on exploits and cheats with a bigger community. It's no use to cheat in closed beta, won't be any money gained.
This has little to do with the year. Software is hard and it's not really getting easier. Launching a perfect product is impossible. Literally impossible. There *will* be bugs.
Now, some of the stuff I see is most likely caused by carelessness and rushed conditions at the studio...but such is the industry.
These Type ^ of people and the others out there need to make 1 guild together and have fun with neverwinter
Wow. Yeeeeeeah. . . . That's like a town telling its population that there has never been a crime committed in its community. The smartest thing some games can do is perform a rollback. A ROLLBACK, by the way, and not a wipe.
A wipe is where they would start your character from day 1 (if they're gracious) with his beginner gear. A rollback is where they take the events of a certain time period and erase them. Examples:
Wipe: "Let's deprogram them back into the stone age."
Rollback: "Let's deprogram them enough to make them walk an extra mile to get to the destination."
The player base turns it into a disaster is part of the problem.
While I agree that its a bit annoying the same problem plague launches now that did when the first MMO's came out..but it programming. its NEVER flawless, even after many many bugfixes.
If it was, I would be out of a job too..lol 3/4 of my work is fixing things in software my company made 14 years ago.
The only reason they are disasters now, is partially the way the players act like teens that's been told they are grounded from going to the party this weekend, when something goes wrong in the game.
OU or EQ had downtime and a unscheduled wipe? people fussed a bit, asked why..and played on. Not this quasi-teen angst reaction of "I hate you, I hate them, I hate everything, you suck, and your not my real dad you cant tell me what to do!! now take me to that party!!!" type over reaction.
But rough launches and beta's have been the 'status quo' for MMO's for this long, if anything, it should be expected then. Not taken and reacted to as if its the first time in mmo history. its not the first ,and its not the last. But with EACH MMO, as its been since a decade ago. Everytime its happens the players go off the deep end like its the "fail of the century in gaming"
The day an MMO can go from beta to post launch WITHOUT any problems will be the day I'm speechless, and totally blown away that it DIDN'T happen.
It astounds me that this astounds you. People are generally more passionate about their interests than their obligations. Also, people posting their outrage here are more akin to customers than employees.
It is unreasonable to expect those using a service, that have a variety of backgrounds, to conduct themselves in the same manner as employees paid for their services, that are often likely to have a mostly professional background.
I'm somewhat infatuated with the two of them myself. I being a young lad was raised by the same sort of man on MMOs. I've come to value them as they are, faults or no faults. As anyone who develops a relationship with a person would. It's this live-and-let-live these two give off that make me proud to be the offspring of their generation.
I am actually considering making a guild to just collect socially acceptable people just to have fun. Maybe during my time off I can work on this, but lets not distract from the OP shall we?
"You know you wanna fondle my dragons."
No wasn't expecting that. But such venom and animosity over such a simple thing seems a bit overly done.
I fully expect some to be frustrated..but like the 2nd post in this topic shows (if it isnt deleted). Some of its just way overboard and theatrical for no reason other than misplaced, or overly attached stigmata to a simple passive hobby
I mean Im literally on my PC about 18 hours a day between work, and my gaming addictions. But even with gaming/pc/coding being my only hobbies. I cant see reacting to a game having a rollback of a few hours, and a day of downtime as a "why don't you just lay me down and stab me in the testicles with a dinner fork all day while your at it, its just as bad, and the same thing!"
Just bunch of spoiled brats rambling about.
If I'm no longer having fun with the game I'll silently move on - is it odd of me to feel embarrassed for those who make rage quit threads? I've spent money on this game to buy mounts, companions and dye etc and they've made me feel happy inside, so no, if I got bored tomorrow I wouldn't regret having spent my money. The economy doesn't seem like such a big deal to me either, but that's coming from someone who refuses to buy epics.
Passion is not measured by how loudly you scream.
I work with a lot of passionate people and I've never seen anyone freak out over a bug that was introduced to Prod. People are called in, bugs are fixed, the next morning there's a Post Mortem sent to all engineers detailing the issue, the fix and the lessons learned.