xerokewlMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 22Arc User
edited May 2013
I know they said that wipes were off table but frankly I feel all the people about to demand there money are justly angry and that a full wipe is the only fair solution I just hope that whatever they do they don't lose all of the players who supported this game to keep their CUSTOMERS treated fairly... I hope what ever they do it is good because I see lots of good people leaving after this fiasco
Regardless of how screwed up the economy is I was having a great time playing this game. For overall player retention they just need to fix the exploit and get us back in game asap. Perhaps for a period of time they could suspend AD transactions over a certain amount. Nothing is foolproof but the key is to get players back in game. Fixing the economy and smacking down the ban sticks can occur parallel to this.
I think the real issue is that the exploit while long standing went viral in the last couple of days. A rollback should help with that. Nothing is going to be a perfect fix in the whole populations mind including a wipe. Another real solution for hyperinflated currency would be to introduce a new currency.
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lamentleviathanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 14Arc User
So Im sonfused that on twitter he clarified and said resetting isnt off just not from the beginning of time. Please make me understand that this bug wasnt available on day 1?? Because this wonderful post I saw shows that you guys had this problem in star trek. Previous knowledge of this exploit and you opened up the cash shop during your "open beta". Im not sure where you guys strayed from the real definition of open beta to sell games and all, but it is to fix these bugs and exploits you so casually have and dont deal with. If you think you can just so easy fix the economy, why dont you ask DCUO what happened after an exploit like this happened to them.. Even today the economy is so messed up its not funny. There is a reason games dont make it after a crisis like this thats simple: they go for the cost effective way and not the right way. wipe it, perma ban all the exploiters, compensate the founders who lost the head start if you wipe, and compensate everyone with some free xp and some double AD time. Stuff like this is unavoidable and cant be helped, but you need to make the best of it and work to show us that you care about us and the game. Not just the money you make.
Has anyone thought if there's something, as we, the community of players can do to reestabilish a fair economy?
Afterall we do kinda run the Auction House...
So yeah... Instead of just going "NUKE IT!" ever thought about... I dunno "Terraforming"?...
We tried terraforming. The company set us down on the wrong planet. The alien exploiters came out at night, mostly. Take off, nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
Update: We're still finalizing the plan of action. Once everything is locked in, we'll be posting everything, so keep your eyes on Facebook, on Twitter and on our forums -- we'll make sure it goes everywhere. Thank you all again, we appreciate your support and patience.
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clortbagsMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
"We're finalizing the plan, but I don't feel comfortable posting anything until we're sure. Sorry for the delay on this."
As a network engineer of 20 years, I can tell you this. NAT does indeed modify the IP address in the IPV4 header.
Wow? Network Engineer? So you know how to plug in cables? I wrote the software that modified the bytes of the headers. Amazing that you said 20 years. Funny how liars always round their experience to round decades. Amazing. They receive letters because the user authenticates with the firewall/router and they log their activity. Although I am unsure what this has to do with banning by IP. Actually it has nothing to do with it.
You said earlier that NAT had nothing to do with rewriting headers. Now you change your mind. You keep changing your story every post. Wow, Amazing, Wow, Amazing. You are my hero. No wonder you kept that good paying job at McDonalds.
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lamentleviathanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 14Arc User
Here is how I think it will play out:
IF there is a rollback, it will be for one reason: said explot got out and there was an explosive amount of currency made. Soo much that they cannot wipe all the 'bad' currency without causing other problems, but a roll back works,
Otherwise they will find the id's for the bad money and wipe every copper/shard/zen from existence. Anyone who got handed bad money would be out, even if they didn't know they were being given bad money.
I dunno how intense their transaction id's and records are, but most MMO's can solve this kind of problem without wiping the servers.
Well, it was a fun core game. But just watching some of the streams and listening, you realize this has happened several times before already. Very few people that exploited things like the guardian bug or pirate runs ever had anything done to them. Small percentage of the whole was caught and punished and they posted saying it was taken care of.
I imagine the few hundred that get away with selling off whatever AD and items they successfully launder will be rich and the AD/gold selling sites will have low prices for a few months that are better then the Zen exchange in real life cash value. First & last time I play a PW mmo, absolutely horrendous.
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djfloppyMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 6Arc User
edited May 2013
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...this discussion reminds me of a certain south park episode.......
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metalgeard20Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 19Arc User
edited May 2013
unless you find a way to remove the epics and AD off the mule accounts the economy is still going to be fubard.
Another economic meltdown under the Obama administration. When will this corruption end.
so this "wipe"? does that mean the 90$ i spent on this game in trade for AD so i could get a FAIR phoera, fire archon, and wererat thief will be gone? cuz if it is im going to be seriously mad...
metalgeard20Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 19Arc User
edited May 2013
unless you find a way to remove the epics and AD off the mule accounts the economy is still going to be fubard.
Another economic meltdown under the Obama administration. When will this corruption end.
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I think the real issue is that the exploit while long standing went viral in the last couple of days. A rollback should help with that. Nothing is going to be a perfect fix in the whole populations mind including a wipe. Another real solution for hyperinflated currency would be to introduce a new currency.
like mindflayers.
I think most of us are safe. Since you didn't say they had fire or acid.
Should have some details soon
like mindflayers.
We tried terraforming. The company set us down on the wrong planet. The alien exploiters came out at night, mostly. Take off, nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
Should have some details soon
Better get to the store to get more before the democrats lower the legal limit to .05.
Wow? Network Engineer? So you know how to plug in cables? I wrote the software that modified the bytes of the headers. Amazing that you said 20 years. Funny how liars always round their experience to round decades. Amazing. They receive letters because the user authenticates with the firewall/router and they log their activity. Although I am unsure what this has to do with banning by IP. Actually it has nothing to do with it.
You said earlier that NAT had nothing to do with rewriting headers. Now you change your mind. You keep changing your story every post. Wow, Amazing, Wow, Amazing. You are my hero. No wonder you kept that good paying job at McDonalds.
It's open beta.
http://i.qkme.me/3rbi1b.jpg
It's open beta.
http://i.qkme.me/3rbi1b.jpg
IF there is a rollback, it will be for one reason: said explot got out and there was an explosive amount of currency made. Soo much that they cannot wipe all the 'bad' currency without causing other problems, but a roll back works,
Otherwise they will find the id's for the bad money and wipe every copper/shard/zen from existence. Anyone who got handed bad money would be out, even if they didn't know they were being given bad money.
I dunno how intense their transaction id's and records are, but most MMO's can solve this kind of problem without wiping the servers.
I imagine the few hundred that get away with selling off whatever AD and items they successfully launder will be rich and the AD/gold selling sites will have low prices for a few months that are better then the Zen exchange in real life cash value. First & last time I play a PW mmo, absolutely horrendous.
Another economic meltdown under the Obama administration. When will this corruption end.
Maybe a song to lighten the mood? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw
Another economic meltdown under the Obama administration. When will this corruption end.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?262762-The-current-situation-what-would-want-them-to-do 1800+ votes 60% support a complete wipe
listen to your players and just wipe the servers or gives us a new server!
Excellent point. Please put on this red shirt and beam down to the planet.
It's ok my beer store is walkable