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deangelo9deangelo9 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
So much downtime what possibly could they be doing?

Fixing bugs? nope.
Fixing class balance? nope.
Fixing the broken Zen market? nope.
Fixing stability issues? nope.


Umm...why exactly is there sdown time every 12 hours if nothings being fixed?
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  • jubbathehattjubbathehatt Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I don't think you understand how much work is involved in software development.

    A lot of development activity is completely invisible to the end user.
  • deangelo9deangelo9 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Yet nothing that is relevant to me. Just irritated with how broken things are.
  • fotzikfotzik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No idea really. They take the server down but fixes nothing that matters, they barely fixes anything. There's still exploits floating around that's gamebreaking and they let players get away with it and they've more or less destroyed the game soon.

    The real question is what sorry excuse of alpha testers did they have.. I've found so many bugs and exploits that I've reported that the supposed alpha tester couldn't have missed.. I mean what where they doing, not testing the game that's for sure.
  • fotzikfotzik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I don't think you understand how much work is involved in software development.

    A lot of development activity is completely invisible to the end user.

    If the case is that take the game down indefinitely until the gamebreaking stuff has been fixed.
  • jubbathehattjubbathehatt Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The game is still in beta. This means it is still under development and being tested - so there is no reason at all to behave as though it is a fully released game that has been left full of bugs and imbalances.

    The whole point in a public beta is to garner feedback about what needs doing on a larger scale than alpha testing. Alpha testing (depending on the scope of the game) could be limited to between a few dozen people to a few thousand. MMORPGS have a potential to reach MILLIONS of people, and that is why a beta test is going to reveal more issues than alpha testing on this sort of game.

    It is blatantly obvious that a lot of people have absolutely no comprehension of just how complex the development cycle is, especially in software as complex as a game of this sort of scope.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    deangelo9 wrote: »
    Yet nothing that is relevant to me. Just irritated with how broken things are.

    Just claim to yourself that it isn't open beta so you can generate a high blood pressure over it. Or just realize that it really is open beta and it will be like this for a few months. Your choice.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    fotzik wrote: »
    If the case is that take the game down indefinitely until the gamebreaking stuff has been fixed.

    I'm perfectly happy playing it like it is crashes and all. But if it is to much for you follow Gord's advice. "Doors on the left."

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • teldarateldara Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The game is still in beta. This means it is still under development and being tested - so there is no reason at all to behave as though it is a fully released game that has been left full of bugs and imbalances.

    So, World of Warcraft is still in beta by your definition. New content always added. Things always changed. Tweaked.

    Wait. You just described EVERY MMO OUT THERE. What do you know. That excuse doesn't work when the game is live with a cash shop taking your money and no more wipes.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    teldara wrote: »
    So, World of Warcraft is still in beta by your definition. New content always added. Things always changed. Tweaked.

    Wait. You just described EVERY MMO OUT THERE. What do you know. That excuse doesn't work when the game is live with a cash shop taking your money and no more wipes.

    My answer to that is yes... But in this case 99% of the people whinging about problems also claim that the game isn't in beta. Yet if you accept it is in beta for real then 95% of the problems make perfect sense. But hey that would be logical and we can't do logic now.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • fotzikfotzik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The game is still in beta. This means it is still under development and being tested - so there is no reason at all to behave as though it is a fully released game that has been left full of bugs and imbalances.

    The whole point in a public beta is to garner feedback about what needs doing on a larger scale than alpha testing. Alpha testing (depending on the scope of the game) could be limited to between a few dozen people to a few thousand. MMORPGS have a potential to reach MILLIONS of people, and that is why a beta test is going to reveal more issues than alpha testing on this sort of game.

    It is blatantly obvious that a lot of people have absolutely no comprehension of just how complex the development cycle is, especially in software as complex as a game of this sort of scope.

    If it's in beta they shouldn't be going commercial, which they have and by then you can't call it beta. Accepting money when the game is filled with gamebreaking exploits and bugs is not good. The only thing they have succeded with here is destroying the game economy and more or less screw the game over..
  • jubbathehattjubbathehatt Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I concur. I actually like being involved in alpha and beta testing (this isn't the first time). It's nice being able to help out where possible. There is absolutely no reason for people to be so rude about it. My whole approach to the gameplay (as a CW) has been to try out basically every skill to see how it works and how balanced it feels - it's not the sort of character build I would use as a main in a full release. Chances are I'll start from scratch when the game has been released out of beta.

    What would probably help would be if the forums were a little more in-depth (say with more sub-forums on various topics) with stickied topics regarding known issues. I wouldn't suggest development notes necessarily though, except for major updates because I'm sure the devs would rather do the work than write about the work :).

    It might at least enable people to see that certain issues are being looked at, or at least that the devs are aware of what's going on.
  • terradraconisterradraconis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    fotzik wrote: »
    If it's in beta they shouldn't be going commercial, which they have and by then you can't call it beta. Accepting money when the game is filled with gamebreaking exploits and bugs is not a good game. The only thing they have succeded with here is destroying the game economy and more or less screw the game over..

    I'm afraid quite a few games have gone the open and running cash store in beta route in the last year or two. So frankly that doesn't hold up as a claim for why a game might not be in beta. If it bothers you to have an open cash store in beta then just don't play the game.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • steampunkysteampunky Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    No. WoW and 90% of all MMOs in the world are not in a Beta state.

    Beta refers to the core functions of the software. Those games may have added content in betas (Hence their Beta and Test Servers) which then goes live and may still require bugfixes. But the game itself is no longer in a Beta State.

    This game is a Beta. One could argue, reasonably, that it is still an alpha, even.

    -Rachel-
    Great Weapon Fighter tanks? Who are you kidding? Cleric tanks. They draw -all- the aggro.
  • teldarateldara Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    My answer to that is yes... But in this case 99% of the people whinging about problems also claim that the game isn't in beta. Yet if you accept it is in beta for real then 95% of the problems make perfect sense. But hey that would be logical and we can't do logic now.

    All MMOs are in a perpetual beta phase until it's on it's last leg dying and bleeding when no more content is added. That's the nature of MMOs. They are always in a beta phase. Using the term "It's just beta" is just an excuse. PWI is still Open Beta. Did you know that?
  • fotzikfotzik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm afraid quite a few games have gone the open and running cash store in beta route in the last year or two. So frankly that doesn't hold up as a claim for why a game might not be in beta. If it bothers you to have an open cash store in beta then just don't play the game.

    Well most won't be playing the game in a couple of months. The reason is all the exploits and the screwd economy and the fact that Cryptic arn't doing a thing about it.. Really sad though, the game was promising, unless they fix the exploits and remove all the AD and items that was acquired from them then I don't see a future of the game.
  • jubbathehattjubbathehatt Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    fotzik wrote: »
    If it's in beta they shouldn't be going commercial, which they have and by then you can't call it beta. Accepting money when the game is filled with gamebreaking exploits and bugs is not a good game. The only thing they have succeded with here is destroying the game economy and more or less screw the game over..

    I actually agree with this, but they aren't the first company to do it this way either. However, I am sure that if drastic action were taken to rebalance the economy that accounts that have been financially supportive are not going to lose what has been paid for. In fact, I'd suggest rebalancing the economy might be a good idea (if it isn't already on the cards) prior to release.

    Ultimately though, there is *always* going to be a turn-around of players (new and old) so it's also quite likely the economy will balance itself out over time anyway.
  • fotzikfotzik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Oh and a newsflash for everyone. Perfect World is not calling Neverwinter Open Beta, but in fact it's Live according to them and they are marketing the game as such..
  • trylleskoventrylleskoven Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    My answer to that is yes... But in this case 99% of the people whinging about problems also claim that the game isn't in beta. Yet if you accept it is in beta for real then 95% of the problems make perfect sense. But hey that would be logical and we can't do logic now.

    Sorry to say it dude, but ones a game starts taking money from people, its no longer a Beta.

    When you start selling things to people, your commited to deliver the stuff.
  • elessymelessym Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    My answer to that is yes... But in this case 99% of the people whinging about problems also claim that the game isn't in beta. Yet if you accept it is in beta for real then 95% of the problems make perfect sense. But hey that would be logical and we can't do logic now.

    Someone who was actually capable of logic would realize that Neverwinter is claimed to be in open beta by Cryptic, but doesn't meet the accepted industry criteria for open beta.

    But by all means. Continue with your snark.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited May 2013
    Please discuss the downtime in the sticky, thanks!
    [h=3]Sticky: Scheduled Maintenance 5-14-13 12AM PDT[/h]
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