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I believe top tier gear should be BoP, any thoughts?
jmerithew
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I've tried having this discussion in pre-existing threads, but they usually go off into the no-no topic that gets threads closed. Today I hit lvl 10, and was learning alot of things about the game that I wasn't aware of. The vast majority of the these were very positive, doing my first Foundry quest, doing my first bit of crafting, you get the idea.
This is also the same time that I've found out all gear, including the highest tier of PvE and highest tier of PvP gear is BoE(Bind on Equip, meaning you can sell it). This is a very big turnoff for me. I've played mmos for close to a decade now, and I've come to the realization that the most gratification you can get is getting those couple extra stat points to make your guy that much stronger. It's not killing bosses, because after the first time you'll probably be downing them quite a few more. I think the overall reception of Guild Wars 2 enforces this, when people ran out of stat upgrades to earn, the dungeon running for looks couldn't really keep them around.
My point is that top tier gear should not be purchasable, and no this isn't a "This game is Pay to Win" argument, at least not in the traditional sense, I don't think you should be able to pay for BiS (Best in Slot, best possible gear you can earn) with ANY currency, whether it be purchasable or earn able through the AH. You should have to earn the best gear for what you like to do, by being good at what you do, whether it be PvE or PvP.
The simplest solution I see is making it so the higher tiers of gear bind on pickup. Overall the Zen to AD conversion and vice-versa is not a bad thing. Being able to expedite the pre dungeon gearing process is a nice option, or making it so you won't get totally hosed in PvP while you're trying to earn better pieces.
Sadly, with the way things are now I find it harder and harder to log in, which is a real shame. This game came out of nowhere and really surprised me with how fun it is. I understand it needs to be profitable in some way, and well I think some of the prices in the cash shop are a little higher than necessary, that's an aspect of the game I can live with. But buying BiS with AD, earned through the ah or purchased, is not.
I'd like other people's thoughts on this, and please please please don't let this thread degenerate into mindless name calling. I think this could be very constructive if people stay civil.
This is also the same time that I've found out all gear, including the highest tier of PvE and highest tier of PvP gear is BoE(Bind on Equip, meaning you can sell it). This is a very big turnoff for me. I've played mmos for close to a decade now, and I've come to the realization that the most gratification you can get is getting those couple extra stat points to make your guy that much stronger. It's not killing bosses, because after the first time you'll probably be downing them quite a few more. I think the overall reception of Guild Wars 2 enforces this, when people ran out of stat upgrades to earn, the dungeon running for looks couldn't really keep them around.
My point is that top tier gear should not be purchasable, and no this isn't a "This game is Pay to Win" argument, at least not in the traditional sense, I don't think you should be able to pay for BiS (Best in Slot, best possible gear you can earn) with ANY currency, whether it be purchasable or earn able through the AH. You should have to earn the best gear for what you like to do, by being good at what you do, whether it be PvE or PvP.
The simplest solution I see is making it so the higher tiers of gear bind on pickup. Overall the Zen to AD conversion and vice-versa is not a bad thing. Being able to expedite the pre dungeon gearing process is a nice option, or making it so you won't get totally hosed in PvP while you're trying to earn better pieces.
Sadly, with the way things are now I find it harder and harder to log in, which is a real shame. This game came out of nowhere and really surprised me with how fun it is. I understand it needs to be profitable in some way, and well I think some of the prices in the cash shop are a little higher than necessary, that's an aspect of the game I can live with. But buying BiS with AD, earned through the ah or purchased, is not.
I'd like other people's thoughts on this, and please please please don't let this thread degenerate into mindless name calling. I think this could be very constructive if people stay civil.
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But I could also see where it would be a problem, as we would have people "paying" for runs and such.
In a perfect world we all earn the things that belong to us, but we do not however live in such a world.
I am neither for or nay against this issue, I just see both ways having a butt-load of cons.
Be respectful, remember, you PLAY the game at your convenience, they WORK at no ones."
like in rift if you loved pvping, oh i completely suck its like im naked against these guys. tons of games later you are dominating the same people trying to GRIND out gear. the even playing field was non-existent.
Honestly the best mmo for gearing imo was DAoC. there was no bad item if it fit in with your template.
stat caps / resist caps etc made gearing so much fun. ive worked for days just planning out what items i wanted to use to get my stats / resists as close to cap as possible.
you could get a random drop that added +30 con and 9 slash resist, to most people this is useless but if your template has everything you want you just need 30 con and 9 slash resist that item is the most amazing thing ever.
yes there were amazing epic drops that practically every 1 had in their template but you didnt have to do it. you could work around with stuff you had etc.
and always Cryptic wont change it.
I'm really hoping since it's still "Beta", that this is something they'll consider, because ultimately it's something that I honestly believe would improve the long term appeal of the game. Like I said in my original post, looking at Guild Wars 2 is a good indication of what happens when the carrot on a stick goes away. If people have to earn the gear it's more reason for them to actually play the game, and spend money in the cash shop on other things.
someone has to earn the item for another to buy it. the system levels out.
Some people are asking for a reset, i can't blame them for that request. honnestly, i am already bored, don't have the heart to go through millions of damage every hour.
I have earned my s#!+ and no way am I losing it to a reset. just wait for raids, if I remember right raid level gear will be unsellable except for 3 or 4 items.
What makes you think there will be any raids? As far as i know most PWE games have 5 men content only. But i have not played them all so i could be wrong. PWE is good at updating Zen shop, that i do know.
crisys has already said in an interview that there will be raids. most likely located in gantlgrym.
Cryptic isnt going to change it beta or not. For the simple reason that its fairly obvious that they want gear trading to drive AD and zen sales. It is hands down the ONLY reason the AH is set to AD sales. This is the only game of Cryptics that functions this way, and this is the only pure F2P game they have.
Setting gear, including the highest tier and therefore most valuable gear, to BOP would be counter productive to this very system. Like it or not, this is a design choice Cryptic has made and unless it turns out to be a complete flop. I don't see it changing.
TBH its a good system cause it is truly a F2P thats not P2W. anyone can gear up and have fun free or wallet warrior and wallet warriors have no power advantage over free players.
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I did hope that this game would be a P2P game before i got news that it was developed for the F2P platform though (Obviously prior to me registering for the open beta).
It's so sad that games like these are ruined by greed. I mean, games in the past used to be about having fun while you paid your tiny fee every month in order to enjoy all the game had to offer, but now, it's a money race to get the best stuff available. Seriously, the mmorpg is in a really sad state. Hence i tend to stick longer to the P2P titles as there's no money race in those games and i don't have to read these P2W threads every time i go on their forums.
~Admiral Arleigh Burke~
Great gear is most needed by poor players. A person that lacks the skill to beat the content without the best gear truly needs that gear to make up for their poor performance. That is what gear is for. The worse the player the better the gear they need to be able to play the game. Most single player games understand this and make the high difficulties hard by having fewer power ups and less armor. Most MMORPG's were made by people that lacked common sense and decided that only the best players should get the best gear thus resulting in content that is too easy for them and too hard for everyone else. The best gear needs to be sellable at auction because people that do not have the ability to defeat the hard content without the best gear need a way to acquire it. They need their crutch. And all the other players benefit when we let them buy their crutches because otherwise they queue with their normal gear and perform terribly which puts a strain on all the other players and makes the content harder than it was supposed to be.
I think the company is called Cryptic. And PWE is the Publisher yes, but they control the content more than you think. don't you find it odd, that an epic mount here cost the same as the other PWE games? As one of the posters stated above regarding the woman taking a loan to improve her character.
this is not a weird story. I played Battle of Immortals. Me my self spend around 500 euro over 18 months time. I was no where near the top. Becuase i met people who have spend between 5000 to 10000 euro/dollar. And the top Magnus called DreamZhebe. Well i heard stories from his guild members saying that that guy already passed the 20000 euro on zen spending.
Some people get addicted and drawn into the power aspect of the game that PWE games provides. it's like gambling really.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
The game also supports the desire for multiple characters so you want to support and gear alts, however Need should be needed.