ahrimavizxMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Some items ARE designed as a bonus, but some can be deemed as "necessary," especially in regards to end-game play. Things like bank slots, bags, and character slots are all going to be needed eventually. I would complain about this fact if the Zen exchange didn't exist. Luckily I can make AD in game and then trade it for Zen. If it wasn't for that, then I wouldn't bother playing.
Is Pay to Win bad? Well it all depends on the game.
If a players know HOW to play with their character (i.e. good tactics) then buying gears just enhance that player. Of course I have met players who EARN their gear and still a bad player (in many different MMO)
NWN is NOT a complex game. it is very arcade style MMO and pretty easy to play.
While I understand some of the older MMO, P2W is a bad deal (totally failing at raid or something) but is it that bad?
Give me 70 bucks for a tamagotchi spray painted silver and gold.
If your initial response in your head was, no that's ridiculous. I've correctly re-calibrated your brain somewhat.
Is Pay to Win bad? Well it all depends on the game.
If a players know HOW to play with their character (i.e. good tactics) then buying gears just enhance that player. Of course I have met players who EARN their gear and still a bad player (in many different MMO)
NWN is NOT a complex game. it is very arcade style MMO and pretty easy to play.
While I understand some of the older MMO, P2W is a bad deal (totally failing at raid or something) but is it that bad?
this guy must have never ran any epic dungeons over 5700 gs... obviously
This game is in beta and feats / power will be changed. This means people will have no choice but to buy respecs. THAT ISN'T A BONUS, IT'S A NECESSITY.
There is this thing called AD/Zen exchange...
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watchyourbackMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
The only thing i dont like is how you can only have 2character slots... Although, Zen does give the company a bit of a bad rep of being overly greedy.
the problem is they charge you for convenience when that should be earned by ingame money not zen or purchased AD. this defines a patient player against a impatient player. nothing truly wrong with it but discourages those less fortunate to apply themselves fully. most of you deep pockets wont give 2 $hits about the middle class but thats fine cause we dont give a $hit about ur lack of skill to earn the gear either
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artificiaryMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 4Arc User
...they are by no means not allowed to complain about something that they view as either unfair, or detrimental to the game as a whole...
I keep seeing this type of sentiment thrown around by all the whiners. How is it unfair for a company to charge you any price they want for something that is completely optional and unnecessary to your continued existence or survival (in game or RL)?
And as far as the prices being detrimental, (ie, scaring people away) that's a non-issue. Even if the prices have driven off hundreds (or possibly thousands) of potential buyers/players that's just just a drop in the bucket. Frankly I'm glad those people are gone because, with any luck, I will no longer see their worthless posts cluttering up the forums.
All that aside, the prices are likely to go down over time so if you still think they're "unfair" go ahead, quit now, and come back in a few months once the initial launch excitement has died down. There will still be plenty of folks enjoying the well made, subscription free content without having spent a dime of real money.
I keep seeing this type of sentiment thrown around by all the whiners. How is it unfair for a company to charge you any price they want for something that is completely optional and unnecessary to your continued existence or survival (in game or RL)?
And as far as the prices being detrimental, (ie, scaring people away) that's a non-issue. Even if the prices have driven off hundreds (or possibly thousands) of potential buyers/players that's just just a drop in the bucket. Frankly I'm glad those people are gone because, with any luck, I will no longer see their worthless posts cluttering up the forums.
All that aside, the prices are likely to go down over time so if you still think they're "unfair" go ahead, quit now, and come back in a few months once the initial launch excitement has died down. There will still be plenty of folks enjoying the well made, subscription free content without having spent a dime of real money.
Firstly, the prices being detrimental is not an non-issue. The most important facet of an MMO is the community. If the community gets worse either by worse players, a large drop in players, etc, the game itself will suffer.
Secondly, I was not saying that prices were unfair. Merely citing that people have the right to complain about the prices if they believe them to be unfair.
I agree that the items in the zen market are completely optional. With that said, the prices of those items need to be conductive to people buying them. The whole point of micro-transactions is to monetize the game. You will not monetize the game if enough people are not paying. You do not turn people from free players into paying players if those free players do not believe your prices are reasonable. That's simple logic.
Are there people complaining just to complain? Of course. It's the internet. But there are a lot of people making a good argument for why the prices for many of the items are unreasonable. And most of the time, the people disagreeing with them are just throwing out strawman arguments. "You disagree with the prices, therefore you don't want PWE to make money." "You probably have no job." etc etc etc.
News flash: one of the most important demographics of the MMO genre is in the 15 to 20 year olds. What do they have in common? Oh, that's right. Most of them don't have disposable income, and as such if you exclude them, you will do your game a disservice, because the majority of people making let's plays, making guides, etc, are in that bracket.
So running around and saying, "rawr, you disagree with me. if you don't like this about the game, then leave." Is shortsighted at best, and little more than arrogance at worst.
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artificiaryMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 4Arc User
Well I wasn't speaking directly to you, more at the sentiment that the prices are unfair (which runs rampant through the forums). And of course everyone has a right to complain but ffs learn to do it constructively. I can count on one hand the number of complaint threads I've seen that read like this (I'm sure there's more but they get drowned out):
"I'm enjoying the game but can't really see myself buying much from the ZEN marketplace with the current prices. If x item were priced around x ZEN I would be more likely to purchase it. (etc.)"
That's level headed and relatable. It also provides PWE with a better idea of how to adjust going forward.
Anyway, I still don't believe PWE is alienating people (even the coveted 15 to 20 year old market) to a significant enough degree that it will negatively impact the life-cycle of the game. The prices are inflated now because it's launch time and there is a huge influx of players; enough so that PWE can safely charge whatever they want. Eventually things will die down and prices will be reduced as is common in F2P games.
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Give me 70 bucks for a tamagotchi spray painted silver and gold.
If your initial response in your head was, no that's ridiculous. I've correctly re-calibrated your brain somewhat.
There is this thing called AD/Zen exchange...
the problem is they charge you for convenience when that should be earned by ingame money not zen or purchased AD. this defines a patient player against a impatient player. nothing truly wrong with it but discourages those less fortunate to apply themselves fully. most of you deep pockets wont give 2 $hits about the middle class but thats fine cause we dont give a $hit about ur lack of skill to earn the gear either
I keep seeing this type of sentiment thrown around by all the whiners. How is it unfair for a company to charge you any price they want for something that is completely optional and unnecessary to your continued existence or survival (in game or RL)?
And as far as the prices being detrimental, (ie, scaring people away) that's a non-issue. Even if the prices have driven off hundreds (or possibly thousands) of potential buyers/players that's just just a drop in the bucket. Frankly I'm glad those people are gone because, with any luck, I will no longer see their worthless posts cluttering up the forums.
All that aside, the prices are likely to go down over time so if you still think they're "unfair" go ahead, quit now, and come back in a few months once the initial launch excitement has died down. There will still be plenty of folks enjoying the well made, subscription free content without having spent a dime of real money.
Firstly, the prices being detrimental is not an non-issue. The most important facet of an MMO is the community. If the community gets worse either by worse players, a large drop in players, etc, the game itself will suffer.
Secondly, I was not saying that prices were unfair. Merely citing that people have the right to complain about the prices if they believe them to be unfair.
I agree that the items in the zen market are completely optional. With that said, the prices of those items need to be conductive to people buying them. The whole point of micro-transactions is to monetize the game. You will not monetize the game if enough people are not paying. You do not turn people from free players into paying players if those free players do not believe your prices are reasonable. That's simple logic.
Are there people complaining just to complain? Of course. It's the internet. But there are a lot of people making a good argument for why the prices for many of the items are unreasonable. And most of the time, the people disagreeing with them are just throwing out strawman arguments. "You disagree with the prices, therefore you don't want PWE to make money." "You probably have no job." etc etc etc.
News flash: one of the most important demographics of the MMO genre is in the 15 to 20 year olds. What do they have in common? Oh, that's right. Most of them don't have disposable income, and as such if you exclude them, you will do your game a disservice, because the majority of people making let's plays, making guides, etc, are in that bracket.
So running around and saying, "rawr, you disagree with me. if you don't like this about the game, then leave." Is shortsighted at best, and little more than arrogance at worst.
Well I wasn't speaking directly to you, more at the sentiment that the prices are unfair (which runs rampant through the forums). And of course everyone has a right to complain but ffs learn to do it constructively. I can count on one hand the number of complaint threads I've seen that read like this (I'm sure there's more but they get drowned out):
"I'm enjoying the game but can't really see myself buying much from the ZEN marketplace with the current prices. If x item were priced around x ZEN I would be more likely to purchase it. (etc.)"
That's level headed and relatable. It also provides PWE with a better idea of how to adjust going forward.
Anyway, I still don't believe PWE is alienating people (even the coveted 15 to 20 year old market) to a significant enough degree that it will negatively impact the life-cycle of the game. The prices are inflated now because it's launch time and there is a huge influx of players; enough so that PWE can safely charge whatever they want. Eventually things will die down and prices will be reduced as is common in F2P games.