if it is open beta usually lasts for a specific period, and this is not the case. An open beta without any time limit stinks, thy ar hiding release lacks like that so people take it with philosophy cause it's still in beta phase.
Wake up guys!
Was there ever a closed Beta for this game? or did they just leave it up to a Q/A staff? I've played 1 closed beta for Aeriagames before & the only thing we couldn't test was the economy since the devs didn't want to make players pay for anything. The GM's would drop all kinds of items that would eventually be for purchase so that we could test them out. Of course there was a character wipe going into OB. But by then all ingame issues aside from the most obscure or never reported. & yes, once the cash shop opened, there were many glitches, since noone had been able to kick the tires so to speak.
Funny thing about that game, in the week of downtime where the devs were transitioning to the OB mode, they made sooo many changes to the game (core elements) that it was nearly unrecognizable. I walked away from it after a week of OB in disgust.
I'm not gonna flame the game, but Quest QA & general mechanics could have been handled better before it went into OB. However, having said that, I've not experienced any real tragic errors & have dutifully reported rather than whined about any glitches I've run into as expected of any beta-tester.
I've played too many "free" MMO's to know that some sweaty fat kid with daddy's credit card is *always* going to pwn me, so no tears there, just generic frustration. If anyone played the real NWN online , then you also know that the GM's and the owner of the server always had access to weapons/gear that would take anyone else crazy gold and effort to create themselves. Ahhhh NWedit . good times. Having said that, I sympathize with the ppl crying about pay to win. The current ingame economy is too infantile for me to make any comments on it however.
That's just my 2 cents. I'm more concerned the lack of any dev or GM presence in the forums when unscheduled downtimes do crop up as they are bound to do. I've already suggested a shoutbox to PWE.
[edit] AHHHH I see that the client now gives you a heads up about maint. that is a step in the right direction. [/edit]
Finally someone that shares the same ideas as me. If I ever feel like a kid pwned me with the daddy credit card i will quit. Simple, can't handle it. Can always keep playing League of legends. The best game atm.
Exactly. All the whiners need to seriously take a hike. Claiming it's Live and should work as a finished product when the company has informed/warned you it's in Beta is ridiculous. If you can't deal, simply stop playing and come back when Beta is over!
Neverwinter is above and beyond anything I expected from a F2P.
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atomicoxyMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 5Arc User
Exactly. All the whiners need to seriously take a hike. Claiming it's Live and should work as a finished product when the company has informed/warned you it's in Beta is ridiculous. If you can't deal, simply stop playing and come back when Beta is over!
Neverwinter is above and beyond anything I expected from a F2P.
Why can I not test this beta for bugs and feedback by frequently respecing and trying new builds and powers?
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soyala1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 2Arc User
This update better ****ing have the Dungeon delves event fixed for the T2 dungeons.
OR...you will quit open beta?
Really, this is an open beta. This use to be used to tie up some loose ends, ensure hardware was working properly, fixing client issues....All the things that are currently being done. Basically, this game is not done yet. Not at full release yet. In a testing phase. Not ready for market. Use and get frustrated at your own risk. I see this in every beta and I have been in numerous alphas, closed betas, and open betas and see the same frustration come from players. This is also why I hate that the market has gone to using beta as more than just a way to ensure their product is ready for market. I sympathize with your frustration, but again, this is suppose to be a time to fix the issues not "grind xp", "reach max level", and various other complaints I have read that just don't seem to make sense considering the current development stage of the game (Not at Full Release stage).
Personally, I wish PW would institute a complete character wipe with a refund to all Zen or any other paid for items while in open beta. Why not, the game is in beta? I really don't think any good will become of it, but it is my opinion.
PPl need to stop crying about minor bugs, its like day 10 of open beta for crying out loud, what we need to do its to give feedback on the things that are limiting the game to reach its full potential. not some bugs that can be fixed by patching. This game has really good things going on and i liked it so far. but there are things that just drive me out of the fun sometimes. Like the really linear quests, or the unbalanced PvP, or the fact that Dungeon and Skirmish re-runs for AD is making players powerlevel through the game, also the lack of mid game content. so far i have percived that this is another game that holds its best content to endgame, wich should not be, since the leveling is a big part of what youre going to do in the game and instead of making it easier by making us powelevel with skirmish and dungeon events (wich forces you to re run them a lot of times cause' not anyone can afford zen and ad are the most viable currency) devs should make it more entretaining and difficult
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xareaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
Really, this is an open beta. This use to be used to tie up some loose ends, ensure hardware was working properly, fixing client issues....All the things that are currently being done. Basically, this game is not done yet. Not at full release yet. In a testing phase. Not ready for market. Use and get frustrated at your own risk. I see this in every beta and I have been in numerous alphas, closed betas, and open betas and see the same frustration come from players. This is also why I hate that the market has gone to using beta as more than just a way to ensure their product is ready for market. I sympathize with your frustration, but again, this is suppose to be a time to fix the issues not "grind xp", "reach max level", and various other complaints I have read that just don't seem to make sense considering the current development stage of the game (Not at Full Release stage).
Personally, I wish PW would institute a complete character wipe with a refund to all Zen or any other paid for items while in open beta. Why not, the game is in beta? I really don't think any good will become of it, but it is my opinion.
I'm beginning to agree with you're final point, & as for the rest of your post, ... flawless, spoken like a true gamer.
I would imagine that PW would have the hardware requirements hands down by now though considering their many titles.
Hell when you purchase almost anything at release now it's actually in beta-mode. Just look at Windows Vista :rofl:
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coldsoul69Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
OPEN BETA IS THE OFFICIAL RELEASE, HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE SAID?
Yes, capslock is necessary.
What beta doesn't wipe your character and let's you spend non refundable IRL money on in-game content? None of them.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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woundbegoneMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 4Arc User
Personally, I wish PW would institute a complete character wipe with a refund to all Zen or any other paid for items while in open beta. Why not, the game is in beta? I really don't think any good will become of it, but it is my opinion.
No can do mister, youre right about something though, we shouldnt be expecting to experience all of the game's content while we're still in beta. but PW is way deep in the mud with the zen stuff to make the Character wipe, not only they would loose money, but a lot of players too, that simply are not gonna like having to hit level cap again. Personally im cool either way, although i think that loosing my char would be a pain, but if it has to be done then it has to be done
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egoboostedMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
OPEN BETA IS THE OFFICIAL RELEASE, HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE SAID?
Yes, capslock is necessary.
What beta doesn't wipe your character and let's you spend non refundable IRL money on in-game content? None of them.
Precisely, if you're too naive to see that this isn't beta then you've clearly not been around very long.
Me titling something as an Open Beta just so that I can claim to have a smooth launch doesn't change the fact that:
* No character wipes.
* Accepting money for items
If this were "Open Beta" then there would be another wipe along with a refund of all Zen Points that were spent. This is just a marketing ploy to get all the naive sheep to understand while they have the typical launch issues, once they get them ironed out they'll do their "Full Release" and claim it was the best release ever.
I'm not saying that they're in the wrong, or that it isn't a brilliant idea...but at least call a spade a spade.
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coldsoul69Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Precisely, if you're too naive to see that this isn't beta then you've clearly not been around very long.
Me titling something as an Open Beta just so that I can claim to have a smooth launch doesn't change the fact that:
* No character wipes.
* Accepting money for items
If this were "Open Beta" then there would be another wipe along with a refund of all Zen Points that were spent. This is just a marketing ploy to get all the naive sheep to understand while they have the typical launch issues, once they get them ironed out they'll do their "Full Release" and claim it was the best release ever.
I'm not saying that they're in the wrong, or that it isn't a brilliant idea...but at least call a spade a spade.
Thank you sir.
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rabidmudkipzMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
or what you will quit? do us all a favor and please do. its still in Open beta, there doing great so far. more than anyone can say about other games... so get a grip, stop crying, and ffs grow up
soldack: "Why can I not test this beta for bugs and feedback by frequently respecing and trying new builds and powers?"
Because it's not the model the company has chosen to work with? Although I see your point, I think you (or anyone else) fall into one of two categories:
1. You knew you couldn't freely respec, but chose to play anyway .
2. You assumed you could recpec at will, but only found out after playing that you could not.
If 1, then you have no right to whine. If 2 then, as I stated, come back after Beta and your respec payment will go towards a finished product. As of now, no one has been required to pay for anything.
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woundbegoneMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 4Arc User
or what you will quit? do us all a favor and please do. its still in Open beta, there doing great so far. more than anyone can say about other games... so get a grip, stop crying, and ffs grow up
I like your response....take a look at mine above! People need to stop crying!
Precisely, if you're too naive to see that this isn't beta then you've clearly not been around very long.
Me titling something as an Open Beta just so that I can claim to have a smooth launch doesn't change the fact that:
* No character wipes.
* Accepting money for items
If this were "Open Beta" then there would be another wipe along with a refund of all Zen Points that were spent. This is just a marketing ploy to get all the naive sheep to understand while they have the typical launch issues, once they get them ironed out they'll do their "Full Release" and claim it was the best release ever.
I'm not saying that they're in the wrong, or that it isn't a brilliant idea...but at least call a spade a spade.
Nonsense.
The only authority who can declare a game as released are the developers. If the developers say this is still a beta then this is still a beta.
Reasoning like "but there will be no wipes" are just grasping at straws. Really? And where is it written that a beta MUST have wipes? Where is it written that a beta MUST refund money spent in cash shop? Nowhere, except in your mind.
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xareaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
OPEN BETA IS THE OFFICIAL RELEASE, HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE SAID?
Yes, capslock is necessary.
What beta doesn't wipe your character and let's you spend non refundable IRL money on in-game content? None of them.
I take your point, it's only Beta as far as PW is concerned. Playerside, nothing will change as far as cash spent/char stats & whatever. But it is important for newer users to F2P to realize this & not go apesh1t at the zen market & whatnot. when it DOES go live, everyone I imagine will get stat refund since each type only has 1 Paragon choice atm. (free recon thingy or whatever). You're making a lot of assumptions on limited info. Unfortunately, that's kinda what 95% of this thread contains.
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coldsoul69Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Precisely, if you're too naive to see that this isn't beta then you've clearly not been around very long.
Me titling something as an Open Beta just so that I can claim to have a smooth launch doesn't change the fact that:
* No character wipes.
* Accepting money for items
If this were "Open Beta" then there would be another wipe along with a refund of all Zen Points that were spent. This is just a marketing ploy to get all the naive sheep to understand while they have the typical launch issues, once they get them ironed out they'll do their "Full Release" and claim it was the best release ever.
I'm not saying that they're in the wrong, or that it isn't a brilliant idea...but at least call a spade a spade.
Accepting money and requiring money are two very different things...
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woundbegoneMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 4Arc User
The only authority who can declare a game as released are the developers. If the developers say this is still a beta then this is still a beta.
Reasoning like "but there will be no wipes" are just grasping at straws. Really? And where is it written that a beta MUST have wipes? Where is it written that a beta MUST refund money spent in cash shop? Nowhere, except in your mind.
You prove your inexperience by posting this.
There is actually a development cycle, used for pretty much EVERY project.
When you are having a true beta you need to be able to make sweeping changes that may result in wipes, or changes so drastic that it might make one thing or another completely different and/or change the focus of it.
I realize your education is limited, and that's ok, but this is even in any one of the "video game development for dummies" books. When you promise your consumer that there won't be any more wipes you're also, in turn, promising them that the experience that they are having now (character-wise) won't change so drastically that what they're currently doing won't be basically the same thing as the "finished product". Therefore this couldn't possibly be a true beta, it's really just a way for them to continue fixing the normal variety of bugs and balance issues (like EVERY OTHER MMO HAS ALWAYS DONE AFTER RELEASE).
Yes...please tell me I'm grasping at straws but first just go look up a development cycle...educate yourself even if it's by accident.
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egoboostedMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Accepting money and requiring money are two very different things...
You make zero point with this.
Nothing, at all, anywhere, at any time, REQUIRES money.
As a consumer you make a choice to spend money on ANY item you do, but there is a promise with that money spent by you and by the seller.
You promise to furnish the amount paid and they promise to furnish the goods you paid for.
If this was truly a beta, then there would be a huge problem with this because the items you pay for could possibly change and by no fault of their own they could be breaking that promise.
They won't make those kinds of changes, though, which means it's not really a beta but merely a slow release.
Again...I think it's BRILLIANT and will become the new norm, because most of you eat it up with a spoon.
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Was there ever a closed Beta for this game? or did they just leave it up to a Q/A staff? I've played 1 closed beta for Aeriagames before & the only thing we couldn't test was the economy since the devs didn't want to make players pay for anything. The GM's would drop all kinds of items that would eventually be for purchase so that we could test them out. Of course there was a character wipe going into OB. But by then all ingame issues aside from the most obscure or never reported. & yes, once the cash shop opened, there were many glitches, since noone had been able to kick the tires so to speak.
Funny thing about that game, in the week of downtime where the devs were transitioning to the OB mode, they made sooo many changes to the game (core elements) that it was nearly unrecognizable. I walked away from it after a week of OB in disgust.
I'm not gonna flame the game, but Quest QA & general mechanics could have been handled better before it went into OB. However, having said that, I've not experienced any real tragic errors & have dutifully reported rather than whined about any glitches I've run into as expected of any beta-tester.
I've played too many "free" MMO's to know that some sweaty fat kid with daddy's credit card is *always* going to pwn me, so no tears there, just generic frustration. If anyone played the real NWN online , then you also know that the GM's and the owner of the server always had access to weapons/gear that would take anyone else crazy gold and effort to create themselves. Ahhhh NWedit
That's just my 2 cents. I'm more concerned the lack of any dev or GM presence in the forums when unscheduled downtimes do crop up as they are bound to do. I've already suggested a shoutbox to PWE.
[edit] AHHHH I see that the client now gives you a heads up about maint. that is a step in the right direction. [/edit]
Exactly. All the whiners need to seriously take a hike. Claiming it's Live and should work as a finished product when the company has informed/warned you it's in Beta is ridiculous. If you can't deal, simply stop playing and come back when Beta is over!
Neverwinter is above and beyond anything I expected from a F2P.
Why can I not test this beta for bugs and feedback by frequently respecing and trying new builds and powers?
OR...you will quit open beta?
Really, this is an open beta. This use to be used to tie up some loose ends, ensure hardware was working properly, fixing client issues....All the things that are currently being done. Basically, this game is not done yet. Not at full release yet. In a testing phase. Not ready for market. Use and get frustrated at your own risk. I see this in every beta and I have been in numerous alphas, closed betas, and open betas and see the same frustration come from players. This is also why I hate that the market has gone to using beta as more than just a way to ensure their product is ready for market. I sympathize with your frustration, but again, this is suppose to be a time to fix the issues not "grind xp", "reach max level", and various other complaints I have read that just don't seem to make sense considering the current development stage of the game (Not at Full Release stage).
Personally, I wish PW would institute a complete character wipe with a refund to all Zen or any other paid for items while in open beta. Why not, the game is in beta? I really don't think any good will become of it, but it is my opinion.
I'm beginning to agree with you're final point, & as for the rest of your post, ... flawless, spoken like a true gamer.
I would imagine that PW would have the hardware requirements hands down by now though considering their many titles.
Hell when you purchase almost anything at release now it's actually in beta-mode. Just look at Windows Vista :rofl:
Yes, capslock is necessary.
What beta doesn't wipe your character and let's you spend non refundable IRL money on in-game content? None of them.
No can do mister, youre right about something though, we shouldnt be expecting to experience all of the game's content while we're still in beta. but PW is way deep in the mud with the zen stuff to make the Character wipe, not only they would loose money, but a lot of players too, that simply are not gonna like having to hit level cap again. Personally im cool either way, although i think that loosing my char would be a pain, but if it has to be done then it has to be done
Precisely, if you're too naive to see that this isn't beta then you've clearly not been around very long.
Me titling something as an Open Beta just so that I can claim to have a smooth launch doesn't change the fact that:
* No character wipes.
* Accepting money for items
If this were "Open Beta" then there would be another wipe along with a refund of all Zen Points that were spent. This is just a marketing ploy to get all the naive sheep to understand while they have the typical launch issues, once they get them ironed out they'll do their "Full Release" and claim it was the best release ever.
I'm not saying that they're in the wrong, or that it isn't a brilliant idea...but at least call a spade a spade.
Thank you sir.
Because it's not the model the company has chosen to work with? Although I see your point, I think you (or anyone else) fall into one of two categories:
1. You knew you couldn't freely respec, but chose to play anyway .
2. You assumed you could recpec at will, but only found out after playing that you could not.
If 1, then you have no right to whine. If 2 then, as I stated, come back after Beta and your respec payment will go towards a finished product. As of now, no one has been required to pay for anything.
I like your response....take a look at mine above! People need to stop crying!
Nonsense.
The only authority who can declare a game as released are the developers. If the developers say this is still a beta then this is still a beta.
Reasoning like "but there will be no wipes" are just grasping at straws. Really? And where is it written that a beta MUST have wipes? Where is it written that a beta MUST refund money spent in cash shop? Nowhere, except in your mind.
I take your point, it's only Beta as far as PW is concerned. Playerside, nothing will change as far as cash spent/char stats & whatever. But it is important for newer users to F2P to realize this & not go apesh1t at the zen market & whatnot. when it DOES go live, everyone I imagine will get stat refund since each type only has 1 Paragon choice atm. (free recon thingy or whatever). You're making a lot of assumptions on limited info. Unfortunately, that's kinda what 95% of this thread contains.
Accepting money and requiring money are two very different things...
ROFL! Nice one.
You prove your inexperience by posting this.
There is actually a development cycle, used for pretty much EVERY project.
When you are having a true beta you need to be able to make sweeping changes that may result in wipes, or changes so drastic that it might make one thing or another completely different and/or change the focus of it.
I realize your education is limited, and that's ok, but this is even in any one of the "video game development for dummies" books. When you promise your consumer that there won't be any more wipes you're also, in turn, promising them that the experience that they are having now (character-wise) won't change so drastically that what they're currently doing won't be basically the same thing as the "finished product". Therefore this couldn't possibly be a true beta, it's really just a way for them to continue fixing the normal variety of bugs and balance issues (like EVERY OTHER MMO HAS ALWAYS DONE AFTER RELEASE).
Yes...please tell me I'm grasping at straws but first just go look up a development cycle...educate yourself even if it's by accident.
You make zero point with this.
Nothing, at all, anywhere, at any time, REQUIRES money.
As a consumer you make a choice to spend money on ANY item you do, but there is a promise with that money spent by you and by the seller.
You promise to furnish the amount paid and they promise to furnish the goods you paid for.
If this was truly a beta, then there would be a huge problem with this because the items you pay for could possibly change and by no fault of their own they could be breaking that promise.
They won't make those kinds of changes, though, which means it's not really a beta but merely a slow release.
Again...I think it's BRILLIANT and will become the new norm, because most of you eat it up with a spoon.