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Is the spirit of exploration dead?
elessym
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Perhaps I've lived too long...
Now I'm not talking about wandering zone maps trying to clear the Fog, or get some 100% achievement. I'm talking about the moment when you start up a new game and try to find out what it can do. The first time I logged in to Neverwinter, I started clicking all the buttons on the interface to see what they did. When I got in to town, I went to all the vendors on the map to see what they sold. As a consequence of which, I discovered where to get ID scrolls. I discovered where to get crafting supplies.
When did people stop doing this?
Now I'm not talking about wandering zone maps trying to clear the Fog, or get some 100% achievement. I'm talking about the moment when you start up a new game and try to find out what it can do. The first time I logged in to Neverwinter, I started clicking all the buttons on the interface to see what they did. When I got in to town, I went to all the vendors on the map to see what they sold. As a consequence of which, I discovered where to get ID scrolls. I discovered where to get crafting supplies.
When did people stop doing this?
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
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Some people don't have the desire to just play. They have to immediately begin working towards the level cap and anything that doesn't move them towards that goal is a waste of time. Anything that moves them towards that goal at a slower rate of speed is less desireable than something that makes it happen faster.
Thus all of the Foundry exploit issues.
Never mind that knowing where to get things like identify scrolls might actually be helpful for people as they level up, it just doesn't directly contribute to that singular obsession.
See I might agree but you use the wrong example. I checked out EVERY vendor for ID scrolls and didn't find them. Not because I'm rushing or lazy, but because I don't buy with ADs so I NEVER checked any AD vendor. Just like I checked the AH once, for the quest, but when I saw it was only for ADs I never went back.
Seriously though, I am the kind of guy who needs to figure out the lay of the land as well. Find all the vendors, find all the little nooks where the Easter eggs are hidden. I find that I have gone from being a 100% grouper back in EQ to a 99.9% solo player. Not because I'm antisocial, but because everyone runs around like a spastic newbie, rushing everywhere. I prefer dungeon crawls to dungeon runs thank you very much. I wonder how many of these rushers are missing out on the hidden chests, or the sub bosses that aren't on the golden path?
I said I would not use it, but I'm Human and lazy. You give me these blasted tools for a 4 year old and I choose to use them! /sigh
Heh. Got me - I've got the glowy trail on too. But in my defense, on an instance map I usually go the opposite direction to see what the devs are hiding from me
I enjoy exploration too. The artwork is beautiful. I love the ability to toggle the UI, so can I can just appreciate the scene and scenery, when everything is calm.
I totally agree.
The zone chat in the capital city is particularly disturbing. It's just question after question that could be answered with a the SMALLEST amount of digging or in a worst case scenario a google search. I'm not saying I don't want to help people. In fact, I love being helpful for questions that are innocent enough - especially if it's applicable to the zone you are in.
But questions like...
"What is Zen?"
"How do I see my character sheet?"
"Where do I buy a mount?"
"What level do I get a mount?"
"Are there mounts in this game?"
etc...etc...etc...
...are frankly <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. And when you have hundreds of people asking their own little question in their own little world and then actually getting PISSED that people aren't answering, it gets a bit old.
Just....LOOK AROUND. Most things are answered quite quickly. This game is fairly casual. You'll find out where the mount vendor is soon enough.
Edit to add: bf agrees
I did the same. My first night playing the game I hardly played at all. I read all the tutorial tips, figured out what all the currency was for, and when I had a question, I hit the forums and found my answer. You are not alone. I'm sure that we are in the minority, though.
Hell, every pub game I join is a rush to the end of the dungeon. I can't even get people to stop for hidden loot chests when I veer off path for even a few seconds.
I love the Rogues that run through the traps then scream for a heal
Seriously, I almost always wind up in a group where they've all guzzled a six-pack of Red Bull, rush through everything, and of course select NEED on every roll, whether their class can actually use it or not. My friends and I did a quick skirmish for the Daily this afternoon (there are 3 of us) and the 2 adds were poster children for the attention deprived.
"Don't attack the mimic!", I said. What did they do? You guessed it. I was the only CW in the group, and these two (both TR's) rolled NEED on every piece, including a couple of nice wizzy pieces. Normally I try not to be a dink, but these two were aggravating me something fierce, so when the blue Rogue boots dropped after the end boss, I rolled NEED...and won 'em. Sweet justice.
Every once in a while I get a decent pick-up group that takes their time, extends common courtesy with regard to rolls, etc. Sadly, it's the exception and not the rule.
Will /danceseductive for ZEN. :cool:
I've been wondering that lately as well. First thing I did when I entered the game was look at the options & keybinds. And then at all the buttons on the screen. First thing I did when I entered the Enclave for the first time was open up the map and look at all the icons. Walking to Knox for the first time took me through the Market..... so I looked and/or talked to every vendor there.
And then there's the demo quests they give you - Go to the profession vendor. Go to the PvP building. Here's a fake Idol to take to Rhix & the Wondrous Bazaar lady. Etc.
So many of the questions asked have their answers in just looking around. Is there a bank? Where do I turn in these idols? Where do I get charcoal? Where's the pvp vendor? What do I do with these Seals?
/sigh
(It's nothing new, however. I was playing Star Trek Online back when the Holiday event happened. When you enter the Winter Wonderland zone, you're in the middle of a gazebo, with a bunch of NPC questgivers & vendors standing around you. You'd think people would check what those NPCs do. But no, the most common questions in chat were "where do I buy holiday loot" "where do I turn in these animal tags" "where do I start the race"..... )
Rogues and dps meters. Ive found they like to charge ahead and take on the mobs solo so they can pad their dps and epeen. So then u end up rushing along too. Now i dont want a two hour run but id like to get the chests and the nodes at least and have a look around a touch. Frankly im getting to the point of not charging along and let them kill and stroll through but then i look bad cause im not deepsing enough. Sigh
I wish i could have a macro when i start a run to say chill out on the dps padding. They know they are cheating the dps but they still do it.
Either way, levelling as a group SUCKS!!! If I log too early, I don't want to just slack around doing nothing! I wanna play the game! So I'm gonna start doing quests for an hour or two, then everyone I know logs and since I progressed further, I gotta backtrack and start doing the same quests I already did all over again. Or it's the other way around. I log late, everyone is already online questing and they are ahead of me. So I either gotta skip what I was doing and go do what they are doing, or they gotta backtrack and bore themselves by redoing the quests I'm at!
Then there's the whole issue about some want to play slower, some faster, some wanna take breaks more often, others just wanna keep going, etc... etc...
My point is, this is a Massive Multiplayer Online RPG, it's not intended to play as a solo game, and I don't want to only play it as a solo game either, but half the time, I need to play it solo or else I get bored or exhausted!
But I never get bored or exhausted when I'm at the cap level because everyone is at the same level!!! No matter what piece of content we do in the end-game, it will benefit everyone! I can solo farm stuff for gold on my own time, then do a 5-man dungeon with 5 friends and we all benefit from it cause we're all level 60! Or we can all farm a foundry quest together, but if I get tired, I can just leave the group and they can continue without me... but will it matter if they play more? Nope! We're already 60! They can't out-level me anymore and the next day they won't have to redo old quests that I haven't done!
See? This is why I rush to the end-game! To stop worrying about outlevelling friends or being outlevelled!
I have one character I keep for group / friend antics
Has worked in past games and is working in this one as well
/headdesk
Only the community can address this, I suppose on a per server basis (Mindflayer!). We need people, including all those agreeing, to start "norush group for <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>" so that players wanting this can actually have a chance to experience the best of the explorative side to this D&D inspired MMO.