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morgensteinn
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So on Dragon server, there is already a group of guys that are on the last boss of end-game content. Is there plans in the very near future for more end-game? Because within the next month everyone whos got to 60 on a char will have done all the end-game content within 1 or 2 weeks. I just hope we dont have another Tera online fiasco.
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Rush to the end, wait for a while, that's my motto. This is not a hardcore MMORPG. It is casual from what I have seen. End-game has not really be touched up on a lot. That is not to say it won't surface, but let's just say, those guys on the Dragon server who are on the last boss of "end-game content", will probably quit before more content is release. I do hope I eat my words on this, but doubt it.
I know of what you speak, and you will always have things like that happen. There are just some people who can't stand to take their time and just enjoy stuff. They gotta be the first to the end and then the first to complain that there's nothing to do.
what the hell?
Lets hope they learned from that clusterluck of an mmo.
+1 ^this
All the scrubs will moan at players consuming content too quickly little realising if we buggar off as there is nothing else to do when they finally catch up and reach the top they will see no one there to play with or recognise what they have done.
Playing with your peers is what its all about and if there is a void at the top for content then the drop off will eventually hit the average mmo player with zero population and and what is left are bad players, casual players and scrubs.
Be careful PWE keep the decent players entertained...
Its called Foundry. You create the end-game. Welcome to the Neverwinter type series.
End-game content is simply a name. It is something you do once you max level. Ironically end game content can be relatively "endless."
If there is nothing to do after the initial leveling content, the game will die fast. End-game changes it from a level grind to some other grind like gear, for example.
Do not underestimate its importance.
And I am curious which games that had no end-game content that you enjoyed?
Tera's endgame fiasco has nothing to do with rushing. I leveled 4 characters to cap, and one who is almost at cap. Once you hit 60 Fane of Kaprima and Balder's Temple became obsolete as people could simply do Argon Corpus. Which basically meant you spam 1-2 dungeons over and over again and the endgame really is to Masterwork all your stuff and get it to +12. I quit because it was the same over and over and over and over and OVER AGAIN.
It was a trainwreck. And I never rushed to end game content.
I have some friends making some packs and have tested some of their work. However the running of foundry quests will get you nothing in terms of progression in term of character or PvE rewards. This is not endgame by any stretch of the imagination and will not hold the attention of players wanting to develop their account.
That's how WoW end game is. Diablo 3 end game is. Path of Exile end game is. GW2, SWTOR. The list goes on and on for current generation of MMO's.
WoW - Raiding. You farm bosses until the next raid is out.
Diablo 3 - You farm Act 3
Path of Exile - you do races and farm maps
GW2 - dungeons or WvW
SWTOR - same as wow, farm raids until new content
See the pattern. You're going to have to either grind the end-game content, or do other things until more content is released, then rinse and repeeat.
Very good post.:o
I think PWE has underestimated players ability to consume content AND left the game with chronically low content at max level. The result will see a skill/brain drain at the top end. The guilds trying to complete stuff in a few weeks will be choosing players that are poor teamplayers or have no inclination to learn how to play.
Guilds consuming each other like black holes in a desolate uncaring universe.
Learn from the mistakes Bioware made with SWTOR, KEEP the best mmo players interested at max level!!!!
Original SWG had no ' end game ' , heck it had no ' story ', it was all about interaction with other players. Same thing will eventually happen here .
If you join an MMO thinking it will be like a console game with new content every time you load in , you will be horribly disappointed.
+1
Best comment on this topic I have seen in a while
Agreed, however the trick is releasing content fast enough to keep maybe not the VERY best mmo players but at least the top 15%. Other wise the drop off in skilful players keeps falling until all your left with is bored housewives that just want to level up their puppy companion... Farmville strikes again.
Or they could add dungeon with no new gear, but people will complain and say, it's useless to do it, no new gear blablabla.
True, not for the very VERY best mmos players but you can produce progressive content for the top 20% bracket, sure some of the uber hardcore will be twiddling their thumbs at the endgame but if you can keep the bracket between 75% and 90% happy then you will keep the decent players required to keep guilds together.
Most guilds break up through lack of progression, constantly failing as a team will only stress it out. Sure some guilds survive this but the vast majority cannot take that level of failcake.
This is the short coming of foundry. its a limited toolset and very hard for devolpers to intergrate into the end game play field. its awesome for lvling new chrs though its a constant stream of new content that keeps leveling feeling fresh
An easy solution to that would be a cosmetic item that shows bragging rights. Alternatively once they get guild housing up, that could be a huge time sink for players at endgame in order to gather the resources needed to improve the guild house or something like that.
You could make it so PvE gear cannot be used in PvE - Problem solved.