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To all those claiming OP classes are OP....
taemekeg
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 298 Bounty Hunter
Few things to take into account before coming here and whining:
Play the game, learn the game, learn to over come, adapt and change your play style. After you have done all this, then build constructive arguments about the issues so Perfect World can get a clear picture of the issues so they don't shoot the class in the knee.
Constructive posts consists of:
- New game needs time to allow people to get used to the mechanics and playstyle of the characters, become custom to what specs overcome what classes etc etc.
- Some classes may very well be late bloomers at lower levels where sometimes it seems like they are underpowered during certain level brackets but become balanced at end game.
- No point crying or whining for nerfs to damage outputs or mechanics of classes until people fully understand the classes.
- PvP changes need to stay related to PvP and vice versa for PvE. Don't bring your arguments in to a PvP debate using PvE as a means to justify a potential nerf.
- Study the other characters before whining to see what can be done to over come the issue you are having. Talk with other guild members and ask them questions about the class, do some home work before going on a tangent rant about how x class is OP.
Play the game, learn the game, learn to over come, adapt and change your play style. After you have done all this, then build constructive arguments about the issues so Perfect World can get a clear picture of the issues so they don't shoot the class in the knee.
Constructive posts consists of:
- Level bracket.
- Issue.
- Reproducable?
- Sceanrio in which it is being done.
- PvP or PvE?
- Description: Keep it clean and tidy, avoid ranting and going of on a tangent. Stay on topic. Confirm your findings with other players.
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TR should do more damage imo, but GWF needs help in defining a role. Currently it just isn't really good at anything. I think most people that play the class, play it to be a striker.
1 single large factor that alot of the posts on these boards seem to over look is a huge.. and i mean really large factor in DPS or over all damage. its the idiot working the keyboard. its the player.
proven time and time again in countless MMOs and games. u can have a decked out toon facing one thats not even of a diff class, but if one knows how to correctly play that toon, they will own the OP toon, or over geared toon. just about every time. I have also seen videos of skilled players down heroic bosses in WoW geared only in greens. yet OP guys in epic gear wipe every time..
so, when i see all the OP posts.... cause some class is busting butt in dps. take it with a grain of salt, its alot of hot air. just LTP your class, and just cause a rogue is out dps'ing you , well maybe cause you need to get better and its not always the toon. Hmmmm
in this game, you need to be aware of where u are, and how your attacking. its not mash button x and win. its positional and combat advantage means alot in this game, u cant just expect cause u role a certian class u will face role ppl or quests.
i been doing PvP in this game too. i die. often if im not careful, control wizards. good ones. make me work, and yes, i die cause they know how to play their class.
just my .02
Be Thankful that this game is set up, where all classes are kinda DPS already. and leave the TRs alone, DPS is all they got really.
lmao yeah, okay pal.
GWF dps is not even all that horrible once you get to the mid level 30s. I'm not awfully concerned that a TR does more damage than a GWF; its what rogues (as they exist in D&D) as supposed to do, inflict ridiculous amount of damage woth the caveat that they faceplant rather easily if they mess up on their evasion/stealth.
That being said the GWF does need some adjustment to make the lower levels less painful. One suggestion is to make it easier to built up Determination to activate Unstoppable which helps with both damage dealing and mitigation. As it is now, needing to take damage (often lots of it) to built Determination kinda defeats the purpose of the defense boosting part of Unstoppable.
Um, okay - so let me get this right.
Your argument is that any issues are caused by all the 'idiots' (your term not mine) just happen to be playing the same classes and so they all have issues?
Very sad.
well idiots may be a bit strong, but ppl that cry cause they can not play or lean to move, who want to just mash a button and "win" and cry that another class is OP, just because of their lack of skill. yes, idiot may be strong, but the way some ppl just act like
cause a class owns they think anyone can face roll, and. well. many in this world have gotten used to "fair" life is not and has never been fair. it is what you make it, ur toon will preform based on your skill level, if you suck at playing, dont cry foul and demand a class get a debuff just because you cant or wont learn to play or understand that , other classes may shine later..
wait till we get a ton of max level's, and have some factual data, . stop crying, LTP and move on, games still early...
whats sad, is thats all you get out of the message. maybe someone else can enlighten you.
That guy at the top of the damage meter, could be decked out in high offensive stat blue & green gear and the rest of the group has mixed or defensive gear. Note to my knowledge most rogues will be focusing on offensive stats over defensive ones.
There's a video I saw of a dungeon run in beta where there was two wizards (same level) and the damage difference between these two was huge, one did more than 2x the damage of the other. Given that there is such a huge difference within a class DPS wise it makes it hard to say X is over/underpowered.
I swear I wish stupidity was painful as I'm sure there would a lot of folks who post on these forums writhing on the ground in agony.
If u keep saying it, maybe ppl will think its true. lol my kids used to do that , glad i saw thru it then, like i see thru what your trying to sell now.
Wtf ? /10char
anyone crying about ppl crying doesnt play a GWF i think... they are weak and pathetic, anyone who has tried one must know this. i dont believe in nerfs at all since it is much more beneficial to simply buff another class but **** GWF need that buff...
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I love how this argument is used in every game about op classes, usually rogue types. "Learn2play" and the argument continues that if you know how to play an underpowered class you can beat an op class that doesn't know how to play as well. The beginning of your argument is flawed, pointless, and contradictory. If both players know how to play their classes equally well, then there should be an even chance for who comes out on top. The end of your argument is more valid. And yes each class will have strengths and weaknesses and come out on top in different situations. That is the ideal but I think what people are finding is that is not the case for each class. Given the way most mmos are designed, dps always wins because of the poor (or non-existent) design in defensive mechanics. Control can sometimes top out with debuffs which few can do anything to avoid. However, given those design flaws, the developers need to ensure there is balance otherwise everyone will play the op class except those who want a greater challenge. And that is boring. Why provide choices when there are no options? If only one choice is viable, having the choices was a waste of time for the player and the developer. AS to those who say trs only have damage, they should consider that TRs should have mobility in addition to damage. Mobility is huge, do not neglect that advantage. However i agree with the original post that is is likely a bit early to really determine which classes are overpowered. But that is mostly due to people learning how to play their class properly. Likely skills you learned in other games will not directly translate here. However, a good game design would ensure that classes grew in power equally and not be "late bloomers." And don't tell me they are limited by what WotC made in D&D becuase this is a completely different medium and plenty has changed already. Otherwise, where's my grid in combat?
Wizard, Wizard, me on GWF (full sentinel spec), Tank, Rogue.
I don't envy Rogues given how much aoe there is going on, if anything they might need a buff.
Also - that instance and the last boss is absolutely fantastic and super fun!
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as much as this is really Not proof. u have no idea what gear nor stats, so there are lots of unknows.
this is the big issue with ppl crying about OP classes, they offer no real proof, besides. rogues are at the top, and anyone can faceroll a rogure blah blah.
really, just cause someone says a class is OP, but offers no hard proof and whats really hard here. is the proof. alot is subjective.
how the toon was played in the fight, what took place, did the boss knock down player a more, thus they had less dps, did player B not flank or have as much combat advantage? lots of factors go into saying a class is OP..
what alot of ppl here that are crying that the rogue is OP, its all subjective, and i guess like kids , if they keep saying it maybe someone will think its true and then instead of LTP or waiting ( games still new for goodness sake ) they want everyone else to
be debuffed so they can have a uber epen and feel good. lol
almost as tiresome as ppl crying cause they are not uber ..
Where is your vaunted 'proof' that this is a case?
What a moron. lol
You do realize it's a screenshot with rogue being on the bottom of the table, right?