There doesn't seem to be any race that gets you bonus points to both a primary and secondary stat so I went with primary and racials that fit my play style. With all the gear and enchantments possibilities, a few points shouldn't matter much at max level.
I think this is the main "problem" as not a single one of the races stands out. Some of the other classes have obvious races that get 2 out 3 or even 3 out of 3 stat bonuses. NONE of the races = 2/3 for DC. All of them get 1 out of 3 and that's it.
I think this is the main "problem" as not a single one of the races stands out. Some of the other classes have obvious races that get 2 out 3 or even 3 out of 3 stat bonuses. NONE of the races = 2/3 for DC. All of them get 1 out of 3 and that's it.
This is definitely a problem. As it stands now you can get +2/+2 stats in the following combos (sorted by first stat choice, with repetition):
If you want Str:
- Str/Con (Dwarf)
- Str/Dex (Half Orc)
If you want Con:
- Con/Str (Dwarf)
- Con/Dex (Half Orc, Halfling)
- Con/Wis (Dwarf)
- Con/Cha (Tiefling)
If you want Dex:
- Dex/Str (Half Orc)
- Dex/Con (Half Orc, Halfing)
- Dex/Int (Elf)
- Dex/Wis (Elf)
- Dex/Cha (Halfing)
(Yes Dex goes with everything.)
If you want Int:
- Int/Dex (Elf)
- Int/Cha (Tiefling)
If you want Wis:
- Wis/Dex (Elf)
- Wis/Con (Dwarf)
If you want Cha:
- Cha/Con (Halfing, Tiefling)
- Cha/Int (Tiefling)
Edit: Forgot Half Orc under Str/Dex
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lurkersxMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited April 2013
The three extra feat points from humans seems powerful though. Not sure how many you would get by max level but it gives you the option to choose what bonus you want.
I think this is the main "problem" as not a single one of the races stands out. Some of the other classes have obvious races that get 2 out 3 or even 3 out of 3 stat bonuses. NONE of the races = 2/3 for DC. All of them get 1 out of 3 and that's it.
It means waiting or buying the HotN pack, but there's a fair bit of speculation that the second stat option for Drow are +2 Cha/+2 Wis, as compared to the normal +2 CHA/+2 Dex. Haven't played Clerics since... well, AD&D Not sure what all bonuses they get from CHA, but it might be an option.
It means waiting or buying the HotN pack, but there's a fair bit of speculation that the second stat option for Drow are +2 Cha/+2 Wis, as compared to the normal +2 CHA/+2 Dex. Haven't played Clerics since... well, AD&D Not sure what all bonuses they get from CHA, but it might be an option.
I will be thrilled if it's +2 Cha and +2 Wis instead of another +2 Dex +2 something else.
A Wis/Cha combo on a cleric is pretty strong. Cha gives Recharge speed, Action point gain, Companion stat bonus, Combat advantage bonus. The first 2 being the biggest selling points but Companion Stats aren't too bad either, especially with the rune to gain X% of a companion's stats for yourself (stacks with the Ion Stone's natural stat gifting for what it's worth).
I'd actually prefer Wis/Cha over Wis/Str.
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tekaruMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited April 2013
I've read in a few posts that Drow will be +2 Dex and either +2 Charisma or +2 Wisdom.
Which puts them in the exact same boat as everyone else: they can pick DC but will only get 1 out of 3 bonus stats (Wisdom OR Charisma).
I've read other posts that said it might be either +2 Charisma or +2 Intelligence. which still means 1/3 bonus stats for CW.
(remarkably, Half Orc get THREE out of THREE if they choose GWF or GF!! O.o )
The three extra feat points from humans seems powerful though. Not sure how many you would get by max level but it gives you the option to choose what bonus you want.
Yea this is my sentiment as well. Humans can choose their +2 stat allotment and then the additional feats allow for further customization. I'm not saying they make the best clerics, but human would be my first choice based purely on a min/max pov. Having said that, I have tried a tiefling recovery based cleric and it fit my playstyle better than a wis/power focused cleric.
I made both, a human for W2 and then a Tiefling rec build for W3
The 3 heroic feats are most likely going to be used in the 4th tier, since you only ever get 20 normally to put in there (or 23)
Armor Pen buff, Cleanse and extra Divinity are the T4 feats. AR is mainly for dps builds, Cleanse would work very well with healer build & Divinity accrual bonus fits most builds
Did manage 9% AP by L34, 12% while the buff was up. Scales quite well imho for damage
I can't make up my mind for which race to pick in BW3 I played a Half-Elf and had a lot of fun with it... but not sure if that was the best race to choose... I'm leaning towards Human for the 3 feats thing.
I like half-elf because I don't ever like playing human (was bad enough having to play human sorc and FvS in DDO sigh)... and dwarves do not appeal to me. WIS/CON I can live with. I wish there was a possibility for WIS/STR or WIS/CHA but wisdom is always the ugly middle child that everyone ignores. In DDO wisdom on items at max level offered only 2 items choices while every other stat had myriads of options.
Was there any race in PnP that had wis/str or wis/cha? I can't recall, always went for looks :P
gregreidMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 7Arc User
edited April 2013
Played three Clerics in BW2 and BW3... For me the Dwarf was the best. More for my playstyle (80%+ Solo)... In one on one battles, the other races were getting knocked prone way too much, the Dwarven racial abilities kept him on his feet... For me...
ranncoreMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 2,508
edited April 2013
Tiefling is a good option for the DPS shy classes, because the 5% extra damage when target is below 50% health is a pretty big boost. Their other ability - when struck 10% chance to lower the power of the attacker by 5% - is also pretty good for clerics. Their primary stat is Charisma, with either Dex or... something, Int maybe.
Anyways, they make good clerics.
If you're looking to min/max tho, Human is almost always the best way to go for every class/build. The 3 feat points is almost always better than any racial bonus. Basically, it assures you taking Toughness to maximum. +9% HP > any racial bonus.
It's worth noting, tho, that the racial bonuses are small enough to always be overcome by gear. Min-maxers will appreciate the subtle bonuses different races offer, but in the end, your race is very much an aesthetic decision. Pick one you like: if you build, gear and play your character right, he'll be just as powerful as any.
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I think this is the main "problem" as not a single one of the races stands out. Some of the other classes have obvious races that get 2 out 3 or even 3 out of 3 stat bonuses. NONE of the races = 2/3 for DC. All of them get 1 out of 3 and that's it.
This is definitely a problem. As it stands now you can get +2/+2 stats in the following combos (sorted by first stat choice, with repetition):
If you want Str:
- Str/Con (Dwarf)
- Str/Dex (Half Orc)
If you want Con:
- Con/Str (Dwarf)
- Con/Dex (Half Orc, Halfling)
- Con/Wis (Dwarf)
- Con/Cha (Tiefling)
If you want Dex:
- Dex/Str (Half Orc)
- Dex/Con (Half Orc, Halfing)
- Dex/Int (Elf)
- Dex/Wis (Elf)
- Dex/Cha (Halfing)
(Yes Dex goes with everything.)
If you want Int:
- Int/Dex (Elf)
- Int/Cha (Tiefling)
If you want Wis:
- Wis/Dex (Elf)
- Wis/Con (Dwarf)
If you want Cha:
- Cha/Con (Halfing, Tiefling)
- Cha/Int (Tiefling)
Edit: Forgot Half Orc under Str/Dex
It means waiting or buying the HotN pack, but there's a fair bit of speculation that the second stat option for Drow are +2 Cha/+2 Wis, as compared to the normal +2 CHA/+2 Dex. Haven't played Clerics since... well, AD&D Not sure what all bonuses they get from CHA, but it might be an option.
I will be thrilled if it's +2 Cha and +2 Wis instead of another +2 Dex +2 something else.
A Wis/Cha combo on a cleric is pretty strong. Cha gives Recharge speed, Action point gain, Companion stat bonus, Combat advantage bonus. The first 2 being the biggest selling points but Companion Stats aren't too bad either, especially with the rune to gain X% of a companion's stats for yourself (stacks with the Ion Stone's natural stat gifting for what it's worth).
I'd actually prefer Wis/Cha over Wis/Str.
Which puts them in the exact same boat as everyone else: they can pick DC but will only get 1 out of 3 bonus stats (Wisdom OR Charisma).
I've read other posts that said it might be either +2 Charisma or +2 Intelligence. which still means 1/3 bonus stats for CW.
(remarkably, Half Orc get THREE out of THREE if they choose GWF or GF!! O.o )
Yea this is my sentiment as well. Humans can choose their +2 stat allotment and then the additional feats allow for further customization. I'm not saying they make the best clerics, but human would be my first choice based purely on a min/max pov. Having said that, I have tried a tiefling recovery based cleric and it fit my playstyle better than a wis/power focused cleric.
Cheers!
The 3 heroic feats are most likely going to be used in the 4th tier, since you only ever get 20 normally to put in there (or 23)
Armor Pen buff, Cleanse and extra Divinity are the T4 feats. AR is mainly for dps builds, Cleanse would work very well with healer build & Divinity accrual bonus fits most builds
Did manage 9% AP by L34, 12% while the buff was up. Scales quite well imho for damage
Was there any race in PnP that had wis/str or wis/cha? I can't recall, always went for looks :P
No, they have Dex; Char or Int.
Dwarf FTW!
Anyways, they make good clerics.
If you're looking to min/max tho, Human is almost always the best way to go for every class/build. The 3 feat points is almost always better than any racial bonus. Basically, it assures you taking Toughness to maximum. +9% HP > any racial bonus.
It's worth noting, tho, that the racial bonuses are small enough to always be overcome by gear. Min-maxers will appreciate the subtle bonuses different races offer, but in the end, your race is very much an aesthetic decision. Pick one you like: if you build, gear and play your character right, he'll be just as powerful as any.