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What 4e spells/powers would you like to use most as a control wizard?

aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,364 Arc User
edited February 2013 in The Library
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4e Wizard powers

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    aandrethegiantaandrethegiant Member Posts: 3,364 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    My list is simple. Give me the enchantment and illusion schools to choose powers from, & whatever you want to give me from the evocation school, and I'll be one happy finger pointin' camper!!

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    viledeeds77#8676 viledeeds77
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    edited January 2013
    Any spells from the list Evocation, Evocation (continued), and of course Evocation (continued, continued)
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    bitterwinterbitterwinter Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Any spells from the Evocation list. I'm a destroyer:)
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    gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Summon Enemy's Mom!


    level 20 daily utility.

    CAUTION: For control purposes only
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    maddmistermaddmister Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    gillrmn wrote: »
    Summon Enemy's Mom!


    level 20 daily utility.

    CAUTION: For control purposes only


    Illusion Spell Female....
    That's really a male
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    iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The more options the better. Trust me when I say nobody wants few spells, but many spells with easy to switch options or spells to acquire and forget. That covers a vast majority here.
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    Spells MORE SPELLS
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    hughwmallalieuhughwmallalieu Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Control Wizard is a term that indicates restriction or limits. As I often solo it is problematic with control type build. Game balance is importent, but I'd like to see spells that allow a control wizard to do solo work - with some sacrifices. Not looking for brute force abilites, but some spells that given patience and finess allow one to solo against tough bosses. Also, always liked the Sword Mage idea.
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    gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Control wizard does not means it can't buff you up or can't kick-<font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. It can do both. It just controls a bit better.
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    ryvvikryvvik Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 966 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    nwpowerlisteslvid.jpgSome cc to come looks like, slow, words of deceit + paragons
    what we know so far from the esl video, zoomed. Based on what we have seen via the control wizard vids, it is my assumption that this is the power list that goes with it.
    interestingspell_zps83efea5d.pnginteresting helms hold video
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    iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    *Nods* That is correct. Obviously what it means though is not always known until seen with a description or tested....like the Orb of Imposition for example.
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    denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Mage Hand as encounter power kinda puzzles me.

    That said, i'd like to see Mirage Arcana from from Heroes of Shadow and Visions of Avarice from Arcane Power... but i'd be more than happy even with Evard's Black Tentacles as capstone power for controllers and Disintegrate (or, even better, Delayed Blast Fireball) for war wizards.
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    Were are all the spells ?
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    iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    Were are all the spells ?


    You do understand how 4th edition powers work, right?
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    iamtruthseeker wrote: »
    You do understand how 4th edition powers work, right?

    Well looks like I don't. I rember there were more then 3 daily's options.

    http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/28817645/Archmages_Ascension_-_The_Wizards_Handbook?pg=1

    hmm looks like I was right....

    only sleep, ice storm and scattering shock ? that's it ?
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    denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Aah, quoting Ruins Fate's handbook. I think that he will be proud of his work :D

    That said, you have 4 daily powers: 3 from class and one you get at level 20. But you retrain the first 3 at level 15, 19, 25 and 29, so you never have more than 4 dailies per level.
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    denkasaeba wrote: »
    That said, you have 4 daily powers: 3 from class and one you get at level 20. But you retrain the first 3 at level 15, 19, 25 and 29, so you never have more than 4 dailies per level.

    I know that but were are the rest of the daily's ?


    p.s. his handbook is quite legendary
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    iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    See here. Spells are a name of powers for wizards in 4th edition. They get at-will, encounter, daily and utility powers. Or the AEDU setup you might have seen referenced before. While tweaked to work in MMO (for instance, daily powers are shorter than once per extended rest,) the 4E concepts here still work like this.



    Yes, you do get a few more "swapable" powers you can do at campfires in the MMO game, but these are your spells for wizards and clerics, or exploits for fighters and rogues, etc.
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    iamtruthseeker wrote: »
    See here. Spells are a name of powers for wizards in 4th edition. They get at-will, encounter, daily and utility powers. Or the AEDU setup you might have seen referenced before. While tweaked to work in MMO (for instance, daily powers are shorter than once per extended rest,) the 4E concepts here still work like this.

    Nah the problem was not that. I assumed that in the picture that was a spell tree. Someone told me it's not a spell tree or a spell list.
    I tought it was like wow skill tree. Thouse are just the options someone selected not all the options for wizard class
    Corect ?

    I use spell not daily's, I'm old school
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    denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    p.s. his handbook is quite legendary

    Well, Nausicaa is my wife... i kinda know :D
    Dilige, et quod vis fac (Love, and do what you will)

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    gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    ...
    Thouse are just the options someone selected not all the options for wizard class
    Corect ?

    I use spell not daily's, I'm old school

    Firstly, full name is "Daily Spells", "Encounter Spells" and "At-will spells". We use short terms to avoid typing. Over time it may even get abbr. to Dly, enc or at-w.

    Thouse are few of the spells available to to "Control Wizard" There are more, and there is a choice to choose paragon paths - however total number of spells available to wizard has not yet been revealed. There may be more, there may be less.

    AT a particular point, from amongst the spell in that pool - uniquely available to control wizard(and not war wizard or summoner wizard), a control wizard can choose 2 Daily Spells, 3 Encounter Spells and 2 At-will spells along with 1 Utility(teleport).

    At a given time, you can use 7 Spells in total - though you get passive powers too which you do not need to manually activate.

    That is all which is public knowledge about the Spells.

    And for rogue, these are called "Daily Tricks", Encounter Tricks" and so on.

    For Cleric these are called "Daily Prayers", "Encounter Prayers" and so on.
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    It's just a big confusion right now. I belived that was a spell list were you get one spell at lvl6 etc.
    That is probably the spell that player choosed from a number of choices. I was strictly talking about the first picture
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    denkasaeba wrote: »
    Well, Nausicaa is my wife... i kinda know :D


    I never knew i was amoung such legends. Please allow me to pay my respect and gratitude for her handbook
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    gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    It's just a big confusion right now. I belived that was a spell list were you get one spell at lvl6 etc.
    That is probably the spell that player choosed from a number of choices. I was strictly talking about the first picture

    Thoise are dailies, that is the pool from where you chose 2 Dailies.

    However, as I said, there can be much more actual stuff than shown here, or can be much less. Don't base your judgement on that pic - its not final.

    As I said total number of powers has not been unveiled by developers. That pic is just a teaser and an attempt to hide most of the spells from showing up early.

    However, dailies are overpowered utilities which are in principle, lesser than encounter in choices.

    EDIT:
    I wonder if you noticed the scroll bar?
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    gillrmn wrote: »
    EDIT:
    I wonder if you noticed the scroll bar?

    If you refer to the thing in the middle i actually think that is an indicator that shows what lvl are you ??? I really have no idea

    It's kinda sad we need to use a microscope on a picture and no developer is popping up to help :)
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    denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    gillrmn wrote: »
    And for rogue, these are called "Daily Tricks", Encounter Tricks" and so on.

    Actually it's "exploits", as for ranger and fighter.
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    I never knew i was amoung such legends. Please allow me to pay my respect and gratitude for her handbook

    Thank you!!
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    gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    denkasaeba wrote: »
    Actually it's "exploits", as for ranger and fighter.
    ...
    um... probably, but something like that.
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    If you refer to the thing in the middle i actually think that is an indicator that shows what lvl are you ??? I really have no idea

    It's kinda sad we need to use a microscope on a picture and no developer is popping up to help :)

    The one where inverted comma starts "T.. for big yellow text. Similarly in other boxes too.

    That shows that there will be more owers - enough for us to scroll down. Otherwise they would not need a scroll bar would they. Hence my suspicion that actual powers would be more, not less.
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    iamtruthseekeriamtruthseeker Member, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    Nah the problem was not that. I assumed that in the picture that was a spell tree. Someone told me it's not a spell tree or a spell list.
    I tought it was like wow skill tree. Thouse are just the options someone selected not all the options for wizard class
    Corect ?

    I use spell not daily's, I'm old school

    I see!


    Okay, yeah, it's not a spell tree like a feat tree (which we saw pic of too elsewhere,) but it APPEARS to be "a path when you hit certain levels, these powers unlock" kind of thing. What some of them mean even for us 4e knowledgeable people are uncertain. Like that "class" thing, is not always from the tabletop D&D. I mean if I looked up stuff from my 4E compendium for tabletop games...

    Orb of Imposition
    Once per encounter while you are holding an orb on your turn, you can use your orb of imposition power.
    Orb of Imposition Power


    Orb of Imposition

    Control wizards select this form of mastery because it helps extend the duration of their control effects.
    Encounter bullet.gif Implement
    Free Action
    Effect: You can use your orb to gain one of the following two effects.
    You can designate one creature you have cast a wizard spell upon that has an effect that lasts until the subject succeeds on a saving throw. That creature takes a penalty to its next saving throw against that effect equal to your Wisdom modifier.
    Alternatively, you can choose to extend the duration of an effect created by a wizard at-will spell (such as cloud of daggers or ray of frost) that would otherwise end at the end of your current turn. The effect instead ends at the end of your next turn.
    Requirement: You must wield an orb to use this ability.


    I just know they have to modify this to work in an MMO (I'm guessing based on the videos showing the class and the gamescom one, it does something with damage, likely cold damage.)



    But no, it's not a spell selection tree.
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    gillrmngillrmn Member Posts: 7,800 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    denkasaeba wrote: »
    Actually it's "exploits", as for ranger and fighter.
    ...

    Just checked it. you are right. I keep getting confused between those two words somehow.

    EDIT:
    So, based on power source-
    Spells(arcane)
    Prayers(divine)
    Exploits(Martial)
    Evocation(Primal)
    Disciplines(Psion)
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    aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited January 2013
    iamtruthseeker wrote: »
    But no, it's not a spell selection tree.

    Someone casted Confusion. Good thing you and gillrmn casted that fast Dispel
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