Hmm witch gods do you guys think resemble the Viking gods ? Tyr for one and there is a giant named Surtur,Talos maybe but not sure about him.Any ideas guys ?
It seems that most of the "Real World" dieties (aside from Egyptian, as FR has Mulhorond - Sharess is actually Bastet for example) are left to DM discretion while the core of the Realms focuses on Realms-related deities. (On the note of Mulhorond's Egyptian Gods, it would be interesting to learn of the Asian gods from Kara-Tur also. I think we'll have to wait a while though.)
Tyr would have been the closest to a true FR Norse god, as he was actually from such a view-point by Ed Greenwood, but Tyr is now dead. Torm has inherited much of what Tyr once held power over. Ysgard is no more in the Realms, which seems to now be referenced only scarcely in The Gates of the Moon, where Selune, Tymora and Sune now hold dominion. As well as parts of Ysgard seemed to have been absorbed or moved to other Domians and places as well as in the Elemental Chaos. There is no more "Ysgard" as a domain of its own noted anywhere in 4e rules and source information.
As for the Titans, they would be considered Primordials and there are three known Titan Kingdoms in the Elemental Chaos: Torrakor, Sakath-Mazim and Kaltenheim. I would imagine that Surtur would not have moved to the new Gates of the Moon, after the reshaping, instead I am assuming that he now dwells with the other Primordials somewhere in the Elemental Chaos, probably one of the three Titan Kingdoms.
However, much is still speculation and pieces brought together to form some sort of answer. There has yet to be a 4th Edition of Deities & Demigods, however there is a new Dragon Column appearing on Dieties & Demigods, each detailing a different diety. One of which was Bane. I haven't read them nor know how many there have been since.
Indeed, you know that I know all about the Mystrallan lore as I've brought it up before in our past discussions, quite enthusiastically at one point I admit. Which, if it was a spoiler, I'd have done spoiled some of that. All I meant was, that with novels, anything is possible, so we shall see what becomes written.
Ah! That was not for you. It was for any new user who may get curious reading about your post. Kind of a spoiler which is not a spoiler
The lower phara was for you where I shared my apprehensions regarding the present system of churches in faerun. The setting assumes mostly that churches are always in accord with the deity. But that leaves a lot of ambiguity for (say) present worshippers of Mystra, Tyr and Helm. Especially Helm. With Helm dead, in this campaign there is a lot of probability for monastery of Helm to be mislead by 'bad people'(not to spoil). Helm is dead so can't guide his followers. So if a single cleric of Helm (if he draws his power from faith to Helm, if it has to be a deity I am sure Torm will lend his powers as he has Helm's portfolio). Here the campaign settings for divine powers are ambiguous and left to the interpretation of DM.
That reminds me,i read that Tyr came from another universe.But i dont think i found why his hand is missing and what universe he came from.The Norse God Tyr was maimed because he put his hand in the mouth of the great wolf Fenrir to show his fellow gods he is not afraid of the wolf.But afther doing so he angered the wolf and he tore his hand off.
That reminds me,i read that Tyr came from another universe.But i dont think i found why his hand is missing and what universe he came from.The Norse God Tyr was maimed because he put his hand in the mouth of the great wolf Fenrir to show his fellow gods he is not afraid of the wolf.But afther doing so he angered the wolf and he tore his hand off.
Tyr's coming to the Realms and his History is extremely similar to that of the Tyr from Norse Mythology, as Ed Greenwood wrote it. He came to Toril to pacify a fallen empire. I don't recall or even remember ever reading just where he came from however.
He lost his hand to Kezef the Chaos Hound when Gond, Mystra and Tyr were trying to imprison the beast. The hound allowed Gond to place a chain around his neck but only if Tyr agreed to place his hand in the hound's mouth. With Tyr holding the beast by the mouth, Gond secured the chain and Mystra then wrapped the beast and he was trapped twice, something the beast wasn't expecting. When Kezef learned he was truly imprisoned, at that moment, he bit off Tyr's hand and consumed the divine essence for a long time trying to set himself free.
Tyr was blinded by Ao (the Over-power of the Gods - he actually removed Tyr's divine eyes) for questioning Ao's decision on punishing all the gods during the Time of the Troubles. Tyr eventually lost his faith and abdicated his power, which Bahamut took. In the end, Tyr sacrificed himself and perished while trying to fight off an overwhelming invasion of demonic forces that was pouring into the upper planes. Torm, now one of the Realms' Greater Gods, succeeded Tyr when Bahamut became one of his subservient gods, along with Ilmater.
Torm (Law), Ilmater (Suffering), and Bahamut (Justice) now reign over the reformed Celestia.
Tyr's coming to the Realms and his History is extremely similar to that of the Tyr from Norse Mythology, as Ed Greenwood wrote it. He came to Toril to pacify a fallen empire. I don't recall or even remember ever reading just where he came from however.
He lost his hand to Kezef the Chaos Hound when Gond, Mystra and Tyr were trying to imprison the beast. The hound allowed Gond to place a chain around his neck but only if Tyr agreed to place his hand in the hound's mouth. With Tyr holding the beast by the mouth, Gond secured the chain and Mystra then wrapped the beast and he was trapped twice, something the beast wasn't expecting. When Kezef learned he was truly imprisoned, at that moment, he bit off Tyr's hand and consumed the divine essence for a long time trying to set himself free.
Tyr was blinded by Ao (the Over-power of the Gods - he actually removed Tyr's divine eyes) for questioning Ao's decision on punishing all the gods during the Time of the Troubles. Tyr eventually lost his faith and abdicated his power, which Bahamut took. In the end, Tyr sacrificed himself and perished while trying to fight off an overwhelming invasion of demonic forces that was pouring into the upper planes. Torm, now one of the Realms' Greater Gods, succeeded Tyr when Bahamut became one of his subservient gods, along with Ilmater.
Torm (Law), Ilmater (Suffering), and Bahamut (Justice) now reign over the reformed Celestia.
Thank you all powerfull wizard for the short lore lesson.But it does look like that Tyr IS inspired by the Norse god.Too bad he had to "die".
Thank you all powerfull wizard for the short lore lesson.But it does look like that Tyr IS inspired by the Norse god.Too bad he had to "die".
Actually he wasn't supposed to. He was to take the folio what torm holds now. But his killing of Helm didn't go well with what was initial plan.
Check trivia here. He is perhaps one of the most popular god of FR, esp NW fans.
Tyr was originally intended to be a greater god in the 4th edition pantheon of the Realms[8] but was removed in mid-development and replaced with Torm, mainly due to fan reactions towards Tyr's slaying of Helm in The Grand History of the Realms.[9]
Yes he was, but in 4e they wanted to reduce the number of total gods in 4e. So they wanted to club the folio of tyr, helm and torm. Intially tyr was to handle all these clubbed folio but it ended up being torm.
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edited August 2012
My pleasure!
Don't be too hard on Tyr for killing Helm though, I am one to also believe that he was tricked on a divine scale. He was lead to believe that Helm had stolen the heart of Tymora, so he was trying to exact divine justice. You see, Tyr was courting Tymora (one half of the elder Tyche, Beshaba is her other "half" when Tyche split) when it is thought that Cyric lead Tyr to believe that Helm had succeeded in courting Tymora before Tyr. Helm and Tyr fought and Tyr won. There are those that believe that Helm wasn't truly destroyed but was instead absorbed into Tyr.
If this latter is true, then Bahamut holds not only Tyr's divine power but also Helm's, who is now bound in servitude to Torm along with Ilmater. This would also mean that it is possible for both Tyr and Helm to return at some point, easier than a dead deity could, but just not by regaining enough followers. Bahamut or some other force would need to separate Tyr and/or Helm from Bahamut. Let's also not forget Tyr's divine essence that Kezef consumed from devouring his right hand.
Indeed, Tyr was the Greater God of Justice ruling over Mount Celestia and Ysgard. In fact, it was originally Ilmater and Torm that were bound in servitude to Tyr. Quite an interesting tale, to say the least!
Don't be too hard on Tyr for killing Helm though, I am one to also believe that he was tricked on a divine scale. He was lead to believe that Helm had stolen the heart of Tymora, so he was trying to exact divine justice. You see, Tyr was courting Tymora (one half of the elder Tyche, Beshaba is her other "half" when Tyche split) when it is thought that Cyric lead Tyr to believe that Helm had succeeded in courting Tymora before Tyr. Helm and Tyr fought and Tyr won. There are those that believe that Helm wasn't truly destroyed but was instead absorbed into Tyr.
If this latter is true, then Bahamut holds not only Tyr's divine power but also Helm's, who is now bound in servitude to Torm along with Ilmater. This would also mean that it is possible for both Tyr and Helm to return at some point, easier than a dead deity could, but just not by regaining enough followers. Bahamut or some other force would need to separate Tyr and/or Helm from Bahamut. Let's also not forget Tyr's divine essence that Kezef consumed from devouring his right hand.
Indeed, Tyr was the Greater God of Justice ruling over Mount Celestia and Ysgard. In fact, it was originally Ilmater and Torm that were bound in servitude to Tyr. Quite an interesting tale, to say the least!
Oh, you flatter me! Mystryl already has my heart but a kind word will never be forgotten!
I do suppose my knowledge of the Realms has to do with just how long I have been meddling with the Realms and all the elder source materials and novels that I have constantly available, collected during those years! I could probably publish my own version of the Realms just from my two battle-worn binders of endless parchments. Indeed.
On the note of Tyr's essence, something that too has been on my mind is the thought of just what Ao did with the divine power he took from Tyr when he blinded him from disobedience. Sure, a being such as Ao could cause the "true death" of a power and the annihilation of a power's torn essence at a whim.. I just wonder though... did he destroy Tyr's eyes, or simply remove them... if the latter, does he still hold on to them? If so, for what purpose?
Oh the questions I would pose for Lord Ao and thus I would probably be blined too.. or worse.
... I just wonder though... did he destroy Tyr's eyes, or simply remove them... if the latter, does he still hold on to them? If so, for what purpose?
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Oh! What a good point! Now I am mad at myself for not thinking of that till now. Of course!
In the original saga, I think tyr had offered his eye(left?) himself to the keeper of Yggdrasil so that he can gain divine knowledge in exchange for his eye. So his eye which was taken (not destroyed in real saga) was able to see into future and warn him about it. So his one eye changed to foresight instead. In fact in one of the viking game, he shoots laser beams out of the blinded eye to help the viking player a bit.
When you think about original saga, maybe his eyeballs had important role. Hmm... this is very interesting!
I don't want to spoil it for you , so I will be treading carefully here. Ask me if you want to know particular thing in detail.
Demons can probably defeat devil if they unite. But they are not united but under different lords. If lord A strikes asmodeus alone he will loose and lord B will become stronger and ridicule lord A. Thus lord B will be able to win lord A's domain.
Among demons, no one wants to be lord A. So they have a truce. And you know what Asmodeus does during a truce -naughty spying and subterfuge activities!
I don't want to spoil it for you , so I will be treading carefully here. Ask me if you want to know particular thing in detail.
Demons can probably defeat devil if they unite. But they are not united but under different lords. If lord A strikes asmodeus alone he will loose and lord B will become stronger and ridicule lord A. Thus lord B will be able to win lord A's domain.
Among demons, no one wants to be lord A. So they have a truce. And you know what Asmodeus does during a truce -naughty spying and subterfuge activities!
Yes yes i know that :d
I also know about the rebelion against asmodeus. But i also know that asmodeus ascended to godhood and somehow ended the blood war.
How did he ended the war and what happened afther that ?
The winner of the war was suppose to become the greathest danger ever to the entire world
Yes yes i know that :d
I also know about the rebelion against asmodeus. But i also know that asmodeus ascended to godhood and somehow ended the blood war.
How did he ended the war and what happened afther that ?
The winner of the war was suppose to become the greathest danger ever to the entire world
That is what I was trying to say. Blood war never ended. Both Asmodeus and devils had their civil problems at home. So it dulled down to a truce. Now both are trying to regain their foot in home. Asmodeus is preparing for a new war to dwarf the blood war. He is also having problems as he can't afford to be weak to control devils. So its a cliffhanger... sort of.
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edited August 2012
The Forgotten Realms wiki on Asmodeus is quite spot on in detailing things, as much as I do not like referencing Wiki's as "fact," I read it a few times to make sure it sat well with my understanding and it does. The only thing, as Gilrmn pointed out, that I am not sure that I agree with the statement at face-value, is one of the last paragraphs, where it states: "He then ended the Blood War by forcing the Abyss underneath the Elemental Chaos."
While he did force the Abyss into the Elemental Chaos and simmer down the Blood War, I personally, from a DM perspective, just do not see how the Blood War could end unless all the Demons in the Planes ceased to exist. To me, the Blood War is one that will rage on for an eternity, just experiencing highs and lows in manifestation.
It would be interesting to see end-game quest chains culminating in meeting one of the gods. If there was a way to determine which god you'd see based on character alignment, previous actions taken in other quests, race/class, etc -- so much the better.
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It would be interesting to see end-game quest chains culminating in meeting one of the gods. If there was a way to determine which god you'd see based on character alignment, previous actions taken in other quests, race/class, etc -- so much the better.
As long as our "end-game" (ugh, I loathe that term) is considered "high-level," then I say Indeed! Even if it were only an Avatar of said power. The powers of the Realms are known for their interaction with high level player characters and non-player characters through adventures, whether directly or indirectly. It is when they interact with lower-level characters that is much less rare or if it does happen, it is so indirect or transparent that no one would even suspect divine interaction (save for the reader of such novels or DM of course).
I hope that the feeling of being a player character is not lost in this regard but on the same hand, I also hope that the meddling of the Powers that is well known in the Realms is also not lost. There is definitely a medium to be found and I hope Cryptic/PWE finds it and implements it grandly, indeed. As I said before, one of the first things that comes to my mind when I ponder things in the Realms is Elminster, then the Powers that be, have been, and shall be.
As long as our "end-game" (ugh, I loathe that term) is considered "high-level," then I say Indeed! Even if it were only an Avatar of said power.
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To add to it, I think to travel to other planes you have to use signils which are useable only by epic levels. So only at cap of 60 we would be meeting gods (probably).
Meeting gods ? Why not becoming gods ? b:dirtyb:dirtyb:dirty
whoo whoo whoaaa...that was a hell of a dream i had there
Because it's an MMO... adding an extra of 50000 gods in the various pantheons of Abeir-Toril would most probably not be a good idea to a game that is trying to be D&D canon...
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Because it's an MMO... adding an extra of 50000 gods in the various pantheons of Abeir-Toril would most probably not be a good idea to a game that is trying to be D&D canon...
The Realms lost many gods in the Time of the Troubles and then more up to the Spellplague, during and after. There are much fewer powers in the Realms now and even the "Real World" dieties, except for some from the Egyptian Pantheon (Sharess who is Bast, for example), are no longer mentioned in FR Source Material.
Those who are not familiar with Forgotten Realms needs to understand one thing about the Gods here: The Powers play an integral and active role in the day to day activities of mortals and immortals alike. Both directly and indirectly.
Whether this will be able to be reflected, with all due credit they deserve, in NWO has yet to be known. We will most likely encounter the Exarchs and Archdevils more often than the Primordials and Gods.
Since this thread is on the topic of the Gods, here is a run down of the currently Powers in the current timeline of the Forgotten Realms:
Over-Power:
Lord Ao
Greater Gods:(These are the most powerful Gods that rule the Astral Sea, each within their own created, or recreated, Domains. Many are served by the lesser powerful gods listed below this list.)
Amaunator
Asmodeus
Bane
Chauntea
Corellon Larethian
Cyric
Ghaunadaur
Gruumsh
Kelemvor
Lolth
Moradin
Oghma
Selune
Shar
Silvanus
Sune
Tempus
Torm
Gods:(many are subservient dieties to some of the Greater Gods above)
Angharradh
Auril
Bahamut
Berronar Truesilver
Beshaba
Garl Glittergold
Gond
Ilmater
Loviatar
Luthic
Mielikki
Sheela Peryroyl
Sseth
Talona
Tiamat
Tymora
Umberlee
Waukeen
Zehir
Primordials:(Elemental Lords - most left or died, these were some of the most powerful Elemental Gods that remained, but lost their god status and are now Primordeal Powers that rule over their elements)
Akadi
Bazim-Gorag
Grumbar
Istishia
Kossuth
Archdevils of the Nine Hells: (This has mostly went unchanged. Asmodeus was an Archdevil but ascended to Greater God hood. Mephistopheles is now the disputed most power Archdevil in the Nine Hells.)
Bel
Dispater
Mammon
Belial
Levistus
Glasya
Baalzebul
Mephistopheles
Exarchs:(Many deities lost much of their power and were lowered to Exarch status. Exarchs take the place of the Demigod status. All Chosens were elevated to Exarch Status. Elminster and The Simbul are not included in source material for some reason. According to the source material however, no Chosens currently exist anymore as they either died or were elevated to Exarch status. Chosens can still be made, although no gods have yet made one since the Spellplague, that we know of.)
Abbathor
Arvoreen
Baervan Wildwanderer
Bahgtru
Baravar Cloakshadow
Brandobaris
Callarduran Smoothhands
Clangeddin Silverbeard
Cyrrollalee
Deep Sashelas
Dugmaren Brightmantle
Erevan Ilesere
Fenmarel Mestarine
Fzoul Chembryl
Garagos
HAMSTER
Hruggek
Jergal
Labelas Enoreth
Lliira
Maglubiyet
Malar
Marthammor Duin
Milil
Obould
The Red Knight
Sharess
Shargaas
Shevarash
Shiallia
Siamorphe
Solonor Thelandira
Thard Harr
Uthgar
Valkur
Vaprak
Vergadain
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It seems that most of the "Real World" dieties (aside from Egyptian, as FR has Mulhorond - Sharess is actually Bastet for example) are left to DM discretion while the core of the Realms focuses on Realms-related deities. (On the note of Mulhorond's Egyptian Gods, it would be interesting to learn of the Asian gods from Kara-Tur also. I think we'll have to wait a while though.)
Tyr would have been the closest to a true FR Norse god, as he was actually from such a view-point by Ed Greenwood, but Tyr is now dead. Torm has inherited much of what Tyr once held power over. Ysgard is no more in the Realms, which seems to now be referenced only scarcely in The Gates of the Moon, where Selune, Tymora and Sune now hold dominion. As well as parts of Ysgard seemed to have been absorbed or moved to other Domians and places as well as in the Elemental Chaos. There is no more "Ysgard" as a domain of its own noted anywhere in 4e rules and source information.
As for the Titans, they would be considered Primordials and there are three known Titan Kingdoms in the Elemental Chaos: Torrakor, Sakath-Mazim and Kaltenheim. I would imagine that Surtur would not have moved to the new Gates of the Moon, after the reshaping, instead I am assuming that he now dwells with the other Primordials somewhere in the Elemental Chaos, probably one of the three Titan Kingdoms.
However, much is still speculation and pieces brought together to form some sort of answer. There has yet to be a 4th Edition of Deities & Demigods, however there is a new Dragon Column appearing on Dieties & Demigods, each detailing a different diety. One of which was Bane. I haven't read them nor know how many there have been since.
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Ah! That was not for you. It was for any new user who may get curious reading about your post. Kind of a spoiler which is not a spoiler
The lower phara was for you where I shared my apprehensions regarding the present system of churches in faerun. The setting assumes mostly that churches are always in accord with the deity. But that leaves a lot of ambiguity for (say) present worshippers of Mystra, Tyr and Helm. Especially Helm. With Helm dead, in this campaign there is a lot of probability for monastery of Helm to be mislead by 'bad people'(not to spoil). Helm is dead so can't guide his followers. So if a single cleric of Helm (if he draws his power from faith to Helm, if it has to be a deity I am sure Torm will lend his powers as he has Helm's portfolio). Here the campaign settings for divine powers are ambiguous and left to the interpretation of DM.
Tyr's coming to the Realms and his History is extremely similar to that of the Tyr from Norse Mythology, as Ed Greenwood wrote it. He came to Toril to pacify a fallen empire. I don't recall or even remember ever reading just where he came from however.
He lost his hand to Kezef the Chaos Hound when Gond, Mystra and Tyr were trying to imprison the beast. The hound allowed Gond to place a chain around his neck but only if Tyr agreed to place his hand in the hound's mouth. With Tyr holding the beast by the mouth, Gond secured the chain and Mystra then wrapped the beast and he was trapped twice, something the beast wasn't expecting. When Kezef learned he was truly imprisoned, at that moment, he bit off Tyr's hand and consumed the divine essence for a long time trying to set himself free.
Tyr was blinded by Ao (the Over-power of the Gods - he actually removed Tyr's divine eyes) for questioning Ao's decision on punishing all the gods during the Time of the Troubles. Tyr eventually lost his faith and abdicated his power, which Bahamut took. In the end, Tyr sacrificed himself and perished while trying to fight off an overwhelming invasion of demonic forces that was pouring into the upper planes. Torm, now one of the Realms' Greater Gods, succeeded Tyr when Bahamut became one of his subservient gods, along with Ilmater.
Torm (Law), Ilmater (Suffering), and Bahamut (Justice) now reign over the reformed Celestia.
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Actually he wasn't supposed to. He was to take the folio what torm holds now. But his killing of Helm didn't go well with what was initial plan.
Check trivia here. He is perhaps one of the most popular god of FR, esp NW fans.
Yes he was, but in 4e they wanted to reduce the number of total gods in 4e. So they wanted to club the folio of tyr, helm and torm. Intially tyr was to handle all these clubbed folio but it ended up being torm.
Don't be too hard on Tyr for killing Helm though, I am one to also believe that he was tricked on a divine scale. He was lead to believe that Helm had stolen the heart of Tymora, so he was trying to exact divine justice. You see, Tyr was courting Tymora (one half of the elder Tyche, Beshaba is her other "half" when Tyche split) when it is thought that Cyric lead Tyr to believe that Helm had succeeded in courting Tymora before Tyr. Helm and Tyr fought and Tyr won. There are those that believe that Helm wasn't truly destroyed but was instead absorbed into Tyr.
If this latter is true, then Bahamut holds not only Tyr's divine power but also Helm's, who is now bound in servitude to Torm along with Ilmater. This would also mean that it is possible for both Tyr and Helm to return at some point, easier than a dead deity could, but just not by regaining enough followers. Bahamut or some other force would need to separate Tyr and/or Helm from Bahamut. Let's also not forget Tyr's divine essence that Kezef consumed from devouring his right hand.
Indeed, Tyr was the Greater God of Justice ruling over Mount Celestia and Ysgard. In fact, it was originally Ilmater and Torm that were bound in servitude to Tyr. Quite an interesting tale, to say the least!
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Oh, you flatter me! Mystryl already has my heart but a kind word will never be forgotten!
I do suppose my knowledge of the Realms has to do with just how long I have been meddling with the Realms and all the elder source materials and novels that I have constantly available, collected during those years! I could probably publish my own version of the Realms just from my two battle-worn binders of endless parchments. Indeed.
On the note of Tyr's essence, something that too has been on my mind is the thought of just what Ao did with the divine power he took from Tyr when he blinded him from disobedience. Sure, a being such as Ao could cause the "true death" of a power and the annihilation of a power's torn essence at a whim.. I just wonder though... did he destroy Tyr's eyes, or simply remove them... if the latter, does he still hold on to them? If so, for what purpose?
Oh the questions I would pose for Lord Ao and thus I would probably be blined too.. or worse.
Nay nay, Mystryl shall guide, indeed.
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Oh! What a good point! Now I am mad at myself for not thinking of that till now. Of course!
In the original saga, I think tyr had offered his eye(left?) himself to the keeper of Yggdrasil so that he can gain divine knowledge in exchange for his eye. So his eye which was taken (not destroyed in real saga) was able to see into future and warn him about it. So his one eye changed to foresight instead. In fact in one of the viking game, he shoots laser beams out of the blinded eye to help the viking player a bit.
When you think about original saga, maybe his eyeballs had important role. Hmm... this is very interesting!
Last i rember afther asmodeus ascended to godhood he ended it ? but how or the details are not known to me
Demons can probably defeat devil if they unite. But they are not united but under different lords. If lord A strikes asmodeus alone he will loose and lord B will become stronger and ridicule lord A. Thus lord B will be able to win lord A's domain.
Among demons, no one wants to be lord A. So they have a truce. And you know what Asmodeus does during a truce -naughty spying and subterfuge activities!
Yes yes i know that :d
I also know about the rebelion against asmodeus. But i also know that asmodeus ascended to godhood and somehow ended the blood war.
How did he ended the war and what happened afther that ?
The winner of the war was suppose to become the greathest danger ever to the entire world
That is what I was trying to say. Blood war never ended. Both Asmodeus and devils had their civil problems at home. So it dulled down to a truce. Now both are trying to regain their foot in home. Asmodeus is preparing for a new war to dwarf the blood war. He is also having problems as he can't afford to be weak to control devils. So its a cliffhanger... sort of.
While he did force the Abyss into the Elemental Chaos and simmer down the Blood War, I personally, from a DM perspective, just do not see how the Blood War could end unless all the Demons in the Planes ceased to exist. To me, the Blood War is one that will rage on for an eternity, just experiencing highs and lows in manifestation.
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I hope that the feeling of being a player character is not lost in this regard but on the same hand, I also hope that the meddling of the Powers that is well known in the Realms is also not lost. There is definitely a medium to be found and I hope Cryptic/PWE finds it and implements it grandly, indeed. As I said before, one of the first things that comes to my mind when I ponder things in the Realms is Elminster, then the Powers that be, have been, and shall be.
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To add to it, I think to travel to other planes you have to use signils which are useable only by epic levels. So only at cap of 60 we would be meeting gods (probably).
whoo whoo whoaaa...that was a hell of a dream i had there
Because it's an MMO... adding an extra of 50000 gods in the various pantheons of Abeir-Toril would most probably not be a good idea to a game that is trying to be D&D canon...
The Realms lost many gods in the Time of the Troubles and then more up to the Spellplague, during and after. There are much fewer powers in the Realms now and even the "Real World" dieties, except for some from the Egyptian Pantheon (Sharess who is Bast, for example), are no longer mentioned in FR Source Material.
Those who are not familiar with Forgotten Realms needs to understand one thing about the Gods here: The Powers play an integral and active role in the day to day activities of mortals and immortals alike. Both directly and indirectly.
Whether this will be able to be reflected, with all due credit they deserve, in NWO has yet to be known. We will most likely encounter the Exarchs and Archdevils more often than the Primordials and Gods.
Since this thread is on the topic of the Gods, here is a run down of the currently Powers in the current timeline of the Forgotten Realms:
Over-Power:
Lord Ao
Greater Gods: (These are the most powerful Gods that rule the Astral Sea, each within their own created, or recreated, Domains. Many are served by the lesser powerful gods listed below this list.)
Amaunator
Asmodeus
Bane
Chauntea
Corellon Larethian
Cyric
Ghaunadaur
Gruumsh
Kelemvor
Lolth
Moradin
Oghma
Selune
Shar
Silvanus
Sune
Tempus
Torm
Gods: (many are subservient dieties to some of the Greater Gods above)
Angharradh
Auril
Bahamut
Berronar Truesilver
Beshaba
Garl Glittergold
Gond
Ilmater
Loviatar
Luthic
Mielikki
Sheela Peryroyl
Sseth
Talona
Tiamat
Tymora
Umberlee
Waukeen
Zehir
Primordials: (Elemental Lords - most left or died, these were some of the most powerful Elemental Gods that remained, but lost their god status and are now Primordeal Powers that rule over their elements)
Akadi
Bazim-Gorag
Grumbar
Istishia
Kossuth
Archdevils of the Nine Hells: (This has mostly went unchanged. Asmodeus was an Archdevil but ascended to Greater God hood. Mephistopheles is now the disputed most power Archdevil in the Nine Hells.)
Bel
Dispater
Mammon
Belial
Levistus
Glasya
Baalzebul
Mephistopheles
Exarchs: (Many deities lost much of their power and were lowered to Exarch status. Exarchs take the place of the Demigod status. All Chosens were elevated to Exarch Status. Elminster and The Simbul are not included in source material for some reason. According to the source material however, no Chosens currently exist anymore as they either died or were elevated to Exarch status. Chosens can still be made, although no gods have yet made one since the Spellplague, that we know of.)
Abbathor
Arvoreen
Baervan Wildwanderer
Bahgtru
Baravar Cloakshadow
Brandobaris
Callarduran Smoothhands
Clangeddin Silverbeard
Cyrrollalee
Deep Sashelas
Dugmaren Brightmantle
Erevan Ilesere
Fenmarel Mestarine
Fzoul Chembryl
Garagos
HAMSTER
Hruggek
Jergal
Labelas Enoreth
Lliira
Maglubiyet
Malar
Marthammor Duin
Milil
Obould
The Red Knight
Sharess
Shargaas
Shevarash
Shiallia
Siamorphe
Solonor Thelandira
Thard Harr
Uthgar
Valkur
Vaprak
Vergadain
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