The F2P model that the asian MMOs pioneered is the future of the MMO business.
Without a doubt the f2p model is here to stay long term, but the US market will require more. The model must also include a close developer/playerbase relationship with a mutual vision for the game, especially with intellectual property as rich as the one Gary Gygax helped create. This is where I think there is a divide between Asian and American/European gaming markets, and one in which I hope that Cryptic is wise enough to mend and nurture. The forum is a great place to accomplish this.
So far I do not believe they are off to a great start, but there are signs they will get it right (Stormshade seems like a real good egg.)
To quote baseball great, Hall of Famer, and cultural icon Yogi Berra: "If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else."
Is it not? Sounded like one. I guess I misunderstood then.
In English, no it's not a profanity. I can understand if English is a second language that you might not understand, but then you should do a little research before popping off and scolding people.
DDO almost did fail with the sub based model, but it was due to Atari's refusal to market as legally bound to in their contract. And it was very much deliberate, to make way for Cryptic upcoming D&D-based project, Neverwinter.
Two things saved DDO in my opinion, their often credited intestinal fortitude to switch pay model to f2p which was revolutionary for a US game developer AND its incredible bond it nurtured with its forum community. Without the incredible level of communication and trust it built with its playerbase, the f2p model would have never caught on and been successful.
DDO wasn't and isn't worth a subscription. They had to go free play. It has lingered after that because it's the only D&D game available. Outside of a few people who have their heads so far up Turbine's <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> it's not funny I can't think of anyone who has any trust in them. They use deceptive marketing, are horrible communicators, and their "F2P" model is garbage.
There were other F2P before DDO and no western publisher seems to get F2P right. The only two major publishers that even do F2P decent are NCSoft and PWE. There are some small games that have okay free play models but Funcom, Turbine, and SoE have total rubbish models.
DDO wasn't and isn't worth a subscription. They had to go free play. There are some small games that have okay free play models but Funcom, Turbine, and SoE have total rubbish models.
Everyone has a right to have an opinion, but I believe Turbine got it right for the most part. It was and is in no way "perfect" for all, or anyone. Certainly wasnt perfect for me, or I wouldnt be here, right? Everyone wants something different, and nobody wants to belly up.
There is no chef alive that bakes what everyone likes. There will always be those that remain unsatisfied.
Outside of a few people who have their heads so far up Turbine's <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> it's not funny I can't think of anyone who has any trust in them
Was that language really necessary? If you pay good money to Cryptic down the road because you have enjoyed the entertainment Neverwinter has provided you, do you feel you would deserve that same label? Think about that.
DDO's f2p hybrid model has been wildly successful, that's undeniable. Evidence: "What I will say is that shortly after f2p launch, we revealed that our revenue numbers had grown to be 5x from what we had seen before with the subscription model and that our active player numbers had grown to be 10x from what they had been before." - Turbine's CEO Fernando Paiz That was 2009.
Fast forward to 2012. Proof they are still on a roll? They recently tripled their development staff, seven years after game launch. Their $30-$80 expansion seems to be selling like hotcakes. In today's global dismal economy/job market, that's applaudable, regardless what you think of their game or selling tactics.
We will be good neighbors and an integral part of the community here for many years to come. We do not seek fame of any type, just our space amongst good neighbors.
Anyhow, good luck in your gaming exploits.
That's fine just remember that being a good neighbor doesn't include popping off at people for using profanity when they are actually using a G rated term nor dose it mean playing hall monitor or going over the edge about perceived lack of communication.
You guys have quite enough egg on your face over all this I hope you learn from it moving forward.
Hopefully the Dev team is responsive on the forums. The forums believe or not is where most MMOers voice their discontent or love for the game. Hopefully, Cryptic understands this.
That's fine just remember that being a good neighbor doesn't include popping off at people for using profanity when they are actually using a G rated term nor dose it mean playing hall monitor or going over the edge about perceived lack of communication.
You guys have quite enough egg on your face over all this I hope you learn from it moving forward.
I would have stayed away from replying but for this post.
First of all, that was not him, but me. Secondly, it was you who started using a language which was not proper. It may not be a profanity, but whatever it was, wasn't befitting a civil conversation.
You are playing hard to be a staunch defender of the game but by slinging eggs on others it would only put in question your sanity. You could have defended your opinions using polite language rather than trying to enrage others. You can sit back try to read them once.
I don't think that there is much help for you
you are getting so worked up over this is pretty much laughable
Oh Horse hockey.......
Once more you lot aren't the voice of this community
Why are you trying so hard to put others down? Not just one or two but many opinions which clash with yours. Read posts by others, e.g. Zebular. We had a big fight in forums recently regarding drows but look at how responsibly he writes. And I was and have been quite active and excited ever since neverwinter has been announced, long before I joined any guild. So why shouldn't I share my opinions. But to put down other people at personal level is not an appropriate thing to do.
If opinions of other people offend you so much you may share it, but posting it again and again without respecting them doesn't mean they have to change for you. Apart from that your opinions are only, "I am epeen and epic you all are fail" rather than facts.
That's fine just remember that being a good neighbor doesn't include popping off at people for using profanity when they are actually using a G rated term nor dose it mean playing hall monitor or going over the edge about perceived lack of communication.
You guys have quite enough egg on your face over all this I hope you learn from it moving forward.
Yea, now you are just showing your gluteus maximus. Classy.
LOL you seem in good spirits to me, and on the right side of the light, dont let a few hungry trolls get to you...
You are always intelligent and/or humorous in your posts, keep rockin bro!
A few hungry trolls?
That's right Andre show us how passive aggressive you and your little group is, you are the ones that started this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you are the ones that continually doom cry and ***** about every thing and every one who doesn't prescribe to your opinions.
Newsflash when this game starts there are going to be a lot more people who won't be tolerant of your antics, you might want to deal with that now.
Or you can keep making a fool of yourselves and patting each other on the back.
That's right Andre show us how passive aggressive you and your little group is, you are the ones that started this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you are the ones that continually doom cry and ***** about every thing and every one who doesn't prescribe to your opinions.
Newsflash when this game starts there are going to be a lot more people who won't be tolerant of your antics, you might want to deal with that now.
Or you can keep making a fool of yourself.
Angry bro?
On the contrary, people can read. Just thanked people for offering their opinion whether they agreed or not.
I cant speak for anyone else but myself, but our guild seems very upbeat about this game, and simply wishes to have more information so they can begin to play the game. Seems pretty much in line with the large majority of this forum.
Take a step back Storm, and regroup. We are both here for the same thing. No need for namecalling.
Hardly, bemused is a closer descriptor.....but, that is awfully close to the u mad bro troll that the WoW community uses...are you sure you want to go there?
Take a step back Storm, and regroup. We are both here for the same thing. No need for namecalling.
Take your own advice and stop calling people trolls, nerds and other derogatory things, and stop putting the developers down when you have zero clue what's going on behind the scenes.
I believe some of us (including me) are a bit disapointed about how cryptic chose to release new info about the game but thats cryptic or PWE way to do things and i think we all should respect that.
If is the right thing to do or not, well we have diferent opinion about that.
At PAX they show and explain how the combat will work and they did very well IMO, 1 months later at E3 they show exacly the same thing.... same classes and even same powers which is a bit disapointed for us who follow all small detailed info.
Now they release this new video.... Sry to say but it was just a waste of time IMO. So, all they showed till now was the combat which for me they did an amazing job but for me thats not enough to say neverwinter will be a great game, im more worried about all other features MMO's have who can rly make the diference.
We will have gen con on August 16-19, i believe theres when new info will be release and i think will be all arround the foundry. Only then i think the beta will start only by then we will have serious info release about the game and im not counting with cryptic to realease it, im counting on beta testers to update the community about game features.
Ofc im just speculating and hopefully im wrong and cryptic will release toons of new info before the Gen Con heheh
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rangerlordsoloMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 25Arc User
edited July 2012
Well one thing is for sure.
The Devs have plenty of info on what we're thinking and wanting. Now if they can add the very most important parts in we should have a really great game. I don't get into FPS so much as I care more for story and roleplay. FPS is of course OK to have but shouldn't be the main part of the game.
The Devs have plenty of info on what we're thinking and wanting. Now if they can add the very most important parts in we should have a really great game. I don't get into FPS so much as I care more for story and roleplay. FPS is of course OK to have but shouldn't be the main part of the game.
The beauty of Neverwinter is the FPS aspect. Its going to have trouble implementing story, and roleplay I truly cant see happening.
However if they nail the combat and do good enough on story, their might just be opportunities to find creative ways to role play or negate the need.
We just don't have enough info yet to see how its going to really play out.
I will say this much, if they only have action, and minimal story, they are going to lose a LOT of the pnp crowd, and early on.
They need to incorporate decent storylines in the initial product launch.
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Without a doubt the f2p model is here to stay long term, but the US market will require more. The model must also include a close developer/playerbase relationship with a mutual vision for the game, especially with intellectual property as rich as the one Gary Gygax helped create. This is where I think there is a divide between Asian and American/European gaming markets, and one in which I hope that Cryptic is wise enough to mend and nurture. The forum is a great place to accomplish this.
So far I do not believe they are off to a great start, but there are signs they will get it right (Stormshade seems like a real good egg.)
To quote baseball great, Hall of Famer, and cultural icon Yogi Berra: "If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else."
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In English, no it's not a profanity. I can understand if English is a second language that you might not understand, but then you should do a little research before popping off and scolding people.
DDO wasn't and isn't worth a subscription. They had to go free play. It has lingered after that because it's the only D&D game available. Outside of a few people who have their heads so far up Turbine's <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> it's not funny I can't think of anyone who has any trust in them. They use deceptive marketing, are horrible communicators, and their "F2P" model is garbage.
There were other F2P before DDO and no western publisher seems to get F2P right. The only two major publishers that even do F2P decent are NCSoft and PWE. There are some small games that have okay free play models but Funcom, Turbine, and SoE have total rubbish models.
What has my language level, etc. has anything to do with an archaic word? And when did I scold?
nvm, just rhetorical questions.
Everyone has a right to have an opinion, but I believe Turbine got it right for the most part. It was and is in no way "perfect" for all, or anyone. Certainly wasnt perfect for me, or I wouldnt be here, right? Everyone wants something different, and nobody wants to belly up.
There is no chef alive that bakes what everyone likes. There will always be those that remain unsatisfied.
Was that language really necessary? If you pay good money to Cryptic down the road because you have enjoyed the entertainment Neverwinter has provided you, do you feel you would deserve that same label? Think about that.
DDO's f2p hybrid model has been wildly successful, that's undeniable. Evidence: "What I will say is that shortly after f2p launch, we revealed that our revenue numbers had grown to be 5x from what we had seen before with the subscription model and that our active player numbers had grown to be 10x from what they had been before." - Turbine's CEO Fernando Paiz That was 2009.
Fast forward to 2012. Proof they are still on a roll? They recently tripled their development staff, seven years after game launch. Their $30-$80 expansion seems to be selling like hotcakes. In today's global dismal economy/job market, that's applaudable, regardless what you think of their game or selling tactics.
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That's fine just remember that being a good neighbor doesn't include popping off at people for using profanity when they are actually using a G rated term nor dose it mean playing hall monitor or going over the edge about perceived lack of communication.
You guys have quite enough egg on your face over all this I hope you learn from it moving forward.
For those of you that are simply offering your thoughts related to the OP, thank you for your input, whether or not you agree!
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I would have stayed away from replying but for this post.
First of all, that was not him, but me. Secondly, it was you who started using a language which was not proper. It may not be a profanity, but whatever it was, wasn't befitting a civil conversation.
You are playing hard to be a staunch defender of the game but by slinging eggs on others it would only put in question your sanity. You could have defended your opinions using polite language rather than trying to enrage others. You can sit back try to read them once.
Why are you trying so hard to put others down? Not just one or two but many opinions which clash with yours. Read posts by others, e.g. Zebular. We had a big fight in forums recently regarding drows but look at how responsibly he writes. And I was and have been quite active and excited ever since neverwinter has been announced, long before I joined any guild. So why shouldn't I share my opinions. But to put down other people at personal level is not an appropriate thing to do.
If opinions of other people offend you so much you may share it, but posting it again and again without respecting them doesn't mean they have to change for you. Apart from that your opinions are only, "I am epeen and epic you all are fail" rather than facts.
LOL you seem in good spirits to me, and on the right side of the light, dont let a few hungry trolls get to you...
You are always intelligent and/or humorous in your posts, keep rockin bro!
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Yea, now you are just showing your gluteus maximus. Classy.
Very well stated. Good thing most folks engage others with a bit more tact and civility.
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A few hungry trolls?
That's right Andre show us how passive aggressive you and your little group is, you are the ones that started this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you are the ones that continually doom cry and ***** about every thing and every one who doesn't prescribe to your opinions.
Newsflash when this game starts there are going to be a lot more people who won't be tolerant of your antics, you might want to deal with that now.
Or you can keep making a fool of yourselves and patting each other on the back.
Angry bro?
On the contrary, people can read. Just thanked people for offering their opinion whether they agreed or not.
I cant speak for anyone else but myself, but our guild seems very upbeat about this game, and simply wishes to have more information so they can begin to play the game. Seems pretty much in line with the large majority of this forum.
Take a step back Storm, and regroup. We are both here for the same thing. No need for namecalling.
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Hardly, bemused is a closer descriptor.....but, that is awfully close to the u mad bro troll that the WoW community uses...are you sure you want to go there?
Take your own advice and stop calling people trolls, nerds and other derogatory things, and stop putting the developers down when you have zero clue what's going on behind the scenes.
Ok, so we all complain... the question is, however, what can we do? Some kind of protest or something? Spam twitter, mailbox?
I believe some of us (including me) are a bit disapointed about how cryptic chose to release new info about the game but thats cryptic or PWE way to do things and i think we all should respect that.
If is the right thing to do or not, well we have diferent opinion about that.
At PAX they show and explain how the combat will work and they did very well IMO, 1 months later at E3 they show exacly the same thing.... same classes and even same powers which is a bit disapointed for us who follow all small detailed info.
Now they release this new video.... Sry to say but it was just a waste of time IMO. So, all they showed till now was the combat which for me they did an amazing job but for me thats not enough to say neverwinter will be a great game, im more worried about all other features MMO's have who can rly make the diference.
We will have gen con on August 16-19, i believe theres when new info will be release and i think will be all arround the foundry. Only then i think the beta will start
Ofc im just speculating and hopefully im wrong and cryptic will release toons of new info before the Gen Con heheh
As was said before Gen Con should bring quite a bit more information, I honestly don't look for beta info though until late August early September.
The Devs have plenty of info on what we're thinking and wanting. Now if they can add the very most important parts in we should have a really great game. I don't get into FPS so much as I care more for story and roleplay. FPS is of course OK to have but shouldn't be the main part of the game.
The beauty of Neverwinter is the FPS aspect. Its going to have trouble implementing story, and roleplay I truly cant see happening.
However if they nail the combat and do good enough on story, their might just be opportunities to find creative ways to role play or negate the need.
We just don't have enough info yet to see how its going to really play out.
I will say this much, if they only have action, and minimal story, they are going to lose a LOT of the pnp crowd, and early on.
They need to incorporate decent storylines in the initial product launch.
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