zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited June 2012
Once a character in the realms is powerful enough, self-Resurrection is quite possible through means of magical items and contingency spells. Elminster Aumar is a prime example of the ability to self-resurrect. Of course, he is also quite powerful. I'd still like to see such things become possible in Neverwinter, as it is in the Realms, once a player is powerful enough to do such. Which, may not be something in at release, depending on our level cap. Such might be something worth looking into for an expansion when a level cap is adjusted.
Manshoon had been stripping away Elminster's contingencies for a while, secretly but failed in the end and Elminster was able to come back, after being reduced to a pile of magical ashes, with a little help. I'd love to be able to set up similar contingencies, once I am powerful enough of course.
iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2012
My thoughts on resurrection are on the fence trying not to have it look too simple/easy/cheesy yet recognizing it's a lot more difficult when you port it to MMO and make it an action (non-turn-based) setup. I'm holding off deciding until I can try the characters out solo and in group (hopefully in beta where our feedback can balance this whole issue...should I get such an honor of course.)
Once a character in the realms is powerful enough, self-Resurrection is quite possible through means of magical items and contingency spells. Elminster Aumar is a prime example of the ability to self-resurrect. Of course, he is also quite powerful. I'd still like to see such things become possible in Neverwinter, as it is in the Realms, once a player is powerful enough to do such. Which, may not be something in at release, depending on our level cap. Such might be something worth looking into for an expansion when a level cap is adjusted.
Manshoon had been stripping away Elminster's contingencies for a while, secretly but failed in the end and Elminster was able to come back, after being reduced to a pile of magical ashes, with a little help. I'd love to be able to set up similar contingencies, once I am powerful enough of course.
Nice Post Zeb, ok so we are at the Godlike/epic stage at this point 21-30 (60-90) but prior to this our 1st two tiers Heroic and pargon lets look at our options.
So going through 4thed rules looking at allowing for avenues:-
a Gentle Repose and have the componet for that {Which in turn could be place into a crafting table} followed via the raise dead ritual. This also brings skills into play Arcana, religion, Nature, Heal ect.
Healing Surges are out the window to hard to implement, which could have adjusted death to some degree, which is a shame it would have been good to see and add elements of party healing tactics adjust and allow more freedom for cleric/leader role than a healbot.
potions of life lvl 30 (90) bring back the recently deceased
ritual scrolls of rezz and ritual books of rezz? Online shop, taking into account some will want to play F2P without spending a dime, is there going to be an allowance for them
IMO rezzing yourself (out, If the option to get resurrected always exists, where is the danger in fighting enemies.)
Eachother (in, i just failed a balance check and fell off the fence, Truth can your Druid throw me a CLW)
TPK (start delve again while someone holds instance, or have reset after 15 mins)
The problem about rez is that is always the same character to make... divines
In 3.5 as far as i remember only divine classes could reez (first one is raise death if im not mistaken), yes u can use a scroll to rez but again only divine classes could use them. (use magic device can work too i think)
In 4th edition is much easier, at lvl 8 u already can use a rez ritual but u need heal skill (no check) but still not much classes, beside divine, use them much (at least in my pnp experience) oh and its expensive.
For me, no self rez scroll although i understand people who like to solo,since the game was build for soloers aswell, cryptic have an important decision to make about this. If u cant res ur self the solo game can be troubling.
On the rez topic I voiced my opinion before but not sure in this thread... but my opinion is what I saw in NWN2 PWs and that is one of two options... well three actually.
1st is of course the raise dead or resurrection scroll/spell from a party member, 2nd is a party member drags your sorry <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> to a temple for a priest to rez (an old core trait in D&D and something that is lost that should come back), and the 3rd and last option is you are in the dead plane and can return to the living in exchange for a cost of xp.
On the rez topic I voiced my opinion before but not sure in this thread... but my opinion is what I saw in NWN2 PWs and that is one of two options... well three actually.
1st is of course the raise dead or resurrection scroll/spell from a party member, 2nd is a party member drags your sorry <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> to a temple for a priest to rez (an old core trait in D&D and something that is lost that should come back), and the 3rd and last option is you are in the dead plane and can return to the living in exchange for a cost of xp.
From what we have limited access to, it seems that you can read a res scroll even if dead, not divine and not trained in heal for this MMO game.
Personally, I do like the fugue plane option though.
right on the money T
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iamtruthseekerMember, Moonstars, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2012
From what we have limited access to, it seems that you can read a res scroll even if dead, not divine and not trained in heal for this MMO game. I could be wrong though. If all this is true, I still am unsure if this is a good or bad idea until I see how solo and group gameplay are set up.
Personally, I do like the fugue plane option though.
All the adventurers in any game or fantasy novel who are capable of saving a princess (or prince according to preferences) in distress are capable to overcome large odds. Many times common beliefs of common people don't work on them. So even if their head is cut from body, they might just end up being "Defeated", "unconscious" or "slightly injured".
As in any MMO, devs have to design it in such a way that everyone is capable of at least that much(whether they are willing to save the princess is another matter though) that why we must understand that in an MMO it is not logic or realism, but convenience and reduction of annoyance factor which determines process of ressurection
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Manshoon had been stripping away Elminster's contingencies for a while, secretly but failed in the end and Elminster was able to come back, after being reduced to a pile of magical ashes, with a little help. I'd love to be able to set up similar contingencies, once I am powerful enough of course.
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Nice Post Zeb, ok so we are at the Godlike/epic stage at this point 21-30 (60-90) but prior to this our 1st two tiers Heroic and pargon lets look at our options.
So going through 4thed rules looking at allowing for avenues:-
a Gentle Repose and have the componet for that {Which in turn could be place into a crafting table} followed via the raise dead ritual. This also brings skills into play Arcana, religion, Nature, Heal ect.
Healing Surges are out the window to hard to implement, which could have adjusted death to some degree, which is a shame it would have been good to see and add elements of party healing tactics adjust and allow more freedom for cleric/leader role than a healbot.
potions of life lvl 30 (90) bring back the recently deceased
ritual scrolls of rezz and ritual books of rezz? Online shop, taking into account some will want to play F2P without spending a dime, is there going to be an allowance for them
IMO rezzing yourself (out, If the option to get resurrected always exists, where is the danger in fighting enemies.)
Eachother (in, i just failed a balance check and fell off the fence, Truth can your Druid throw me a CLW)
TPK (start delve again while someone holds instance, or have reset after 15 mins)
In 3.5 as far as i remember only divine classes could reez (first one is raise death if im not mistaken), yes u can use a scroll to rez but again only divine classes could use them. (use magic device can work too i think)
In 4th edition is much easier, at lvl 8 u already can use a rez ritual but u need heal skill (no check) but still not much classes, beside divine, use them much (at least in my pnp experience) oh and its expensive.
For me, no self rez scroll although i understand people who like to solo,since the game was build for soloers aswell, cryptic have an important decision to make about this. If u cant res ur self the solo game can be troubling.
1st is of course the raise dead or resurrection scroll/spell from a party member, 2nd is a party member drags your sorry <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> to a temple for a priest to rez (an old core trait in D&D and something that is lost that should come back), and the 3rd and last option is you are in the dead plane and can return to the living in exchange for a cost of xp.
id Sign that DOT, i was looking for that post BTW
right on the money T
Personally, I do like the fugue plane option though.
As in any MMO, devs have to design it in such a way that everyone is capable of at least that much(whether they are willing to save the princess is another matter though) that why we must understand that in an MMO it is not logic or realism, but convenience and reduction of annoyance factor which determines process of ressurection