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How Does One Obtain New Winter Mount Without Spending Money? I Thought This Was A Free To Play Game? False Advertising?

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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,405 Arc User
    edited December 2021
    Are you still playing the game without paying money? If yes, the game is free to "play".

    By the way, what is the "new" Winter Mount you have in mind? Winter Wolf is old. Winter Flail Snail is old. Royal Sled is old. Frozen winter sled is old. I got all these for free in previous winter festival.
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  • kharkov58kharkov58 Member Posts: 669 Arc User
    Nothing is 100% free to play. Neverwinter offers you the choice of paying with cash, paying with time, or a combinations of the two. You do not have to put any cash in the game. If you do not though, you will take much longer to get all of the items in the game.
  • mynaammynaam Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited December 2021

    armadeonx said:

    I'm a totally f2p player and I accept that there are some limitations on what I can get. They are not game breaking limitations, it just means that I miss out on a few of the more exclusive things and I have to come up with other ways to get things like coal wards etc.

    Does it bother me? No. The company has costs & has to make a profit, so them creating some exclusive stuff for retail only is perfectly understandable.

    Absolutely nailed it - perfect answer.

    I spent 2 years free to play just enjoying myself, bought Zen a couple of times but not really. You REALLY can play this game for free 100% and you can do fine and enjoy all content.

    I have spent money on VIP to support the game and for the Keys and QoL improvement but you really dont need to.

    In this last year or so the game has given us SO MUCH MORE free of charge, account mounts and companions, etc etc
    Easy for long term player like me to go f2p. Since i have more than enough ZEN and ad for 2 years. New players CANNOT f2p since the game is set up with 0 progression system new players cannot get to end game because there is no mid game without buying there way there!

    Many mid level players can't do randoms to max 100k rough ad per day due to non existing pug in this game! The BIS only mentality is kiling any progression and stagnating end game incl BIS . BIS player should stay awake and realise their BIS only mentality are hurtning them too.
    There are more than BIS players in this game
    RIP Real Tiamat, RIP Real Demogorgon RIP real Temple of the spider. Why remove non bis content to give to bis players ????
    FORCING the majority of your player base to play 4 mod old dungeons and trial will have a bad result on player base
    Changes are getting so bad i would rather prefer no new changes (RIP ICE FISHING in winter fest)



  • arazith07arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,719 Arc User
    mynaam said:

    armadeonx said:

    I'm a totally f2p player and I accept that there are some limitations on what I can get. They are not game breaking limitations, it just means that I miss out on a few of the more exclusive things and I have to come up with other ways to get things like coal wards etc.

    Does it bother me? No. The company has costs & has to make a profit, so them creating some exclusive stuff for retail only is perfectly understandable.

    Absolutely nailed it - perfect answer.

    I spent 2 years free to play just enjoying myself, bought Zen a couple of times but not really. You REALLY can play this game for free 100% and you can do fine and enjoy all content.

    I have spent money on VIP to support the game and for the Keys and QoL improvement but you really dont need to.

    In this last year or so the game has given us SO MUCH MORE free of charge, account mounts and companions, etc etc
    Easy for long term player like me to go f2p. Since i have more than enough ZEN and ad for 2 years. New players CANNOT f2p since the game is set up with 0 progression system new players cannot get to end game because there is no mid game without buying there way there!

    Many mid level players can't do randoms to max 100k rough ad per day due to non existing pug in this game! The BIS only mentality is kiling any progression and stagnating end game incl BIS . BIS player should stay awake and realise their BIS only mentality are hurtning them too.
    All f2p models require you to trade your time or money. You really don't need anything from the zen store. Also, non existing pugs? Do you play during the quiet hours or something? Or are you a DPS? I guess you missed all the ruckus that they flung up about Demo being reworked to require a little bit of teamwork to complete. Nothing in the game requires you to be BIS, just communication and practice.
  • sagakaiyume#0847 sagakaiyume Member Posts: 402 Arc User
    Sorry to those who still feel you can't get end game without paying. My alliance has had several new players in the last 2 months go from level 1 with nothing, to running VoS with us. These players didn't even buy VIP, they got their VIP during the free one just recently given out.

    Some stuff you won't have access to, like EoP secondary milestone rewards, but that doesn't mean you won't get endgame. Asking questions, joining your alliance daily for RADqs, doing your campaigns ect, you get 40k+ in a month. I can say that with confidence with people in my alliance doing just that. Some only have 2 hours of play a day, some have all day, they are all still within the same progress in same amount of time. If anything, that should say playing more doesn't really mean you'll get further.

    Sure, in 1 day you can get endgame ready for VoS throwing out several hundred $, but saying new players can't be ftp and hit endgame faster than we use to back in mod 17, is just false. Back then we needed on average 3-6 months for endgame content. A leg mount was 6-20m vs now the average mythic is 3m. If your 'definition' of endgame is 100% on bolsters, all mythic collars and insigs, which isn't needed for any content currently as Wilbur has shown he can run all endgame content ~40k il and my alliance having 40k IL players running nvos, then that's your made-up definition of endgame.

    Its always funny when this topic comes up and people say you can't be ftp, yet many are and get there in no time, because the game pushes you to endgame faster than ever.
  • sagakaiyume#0847 sagakaiyume Member Posts: 402 Arc User
    @stmni You know I'm right and next mod proves that point. Endgame is always pushed back down with their stuff losing value, while new and mid-game players are constantly pushed up and made easier to reach endgame. Meaning being "endgame" has no real meaning, as today's endgame player is the average player in 6 months.

    IL of gear being boosted heavily next mod, along with being decked out in full 300 IL enchants is far cheaper next mod than it is to build yourself up this mod. Being ftp is easy because the game wants you to hit that hard endgame content and that's where they can monetize the player.

    Mod 16 I was a new player, my insignias I bought for 30k each became obsolete and tradable for insignias worth several hundred K each. This turned me from a new player to endgame player instantly. Recent combat rework threw me from an endgame player to an average player that had to re-upgrade a whole slew of new companions and change every single enchant. The average new player was once again shot up in IL and currently is given easy 1200-1300 IL gear, a full artifact set mythic with a 1k il artifact from the milestone and much more.

    End result is; you can easily be ftp, get to endgame within a reasonable time and run it with ease. If you aim for having BIS, that's a different discussion, as the goalpost is constantly moved and you are bonked down every few months.
  • hotfrostwormhotfrostworm Member Posts: 448 Arc User
    Free is a concept. I am sure you can play the game without any mount at all. It will not be as enjoyable, but it is possible.

  • hadestemplar#9918 hadestemplar Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,184 Arc User

    How Does One Obtain New Winter Mount Without Spending Money? I Thought This Was A Free To Play Game? False Advertising?

    No mmo games are truly free.

    You need pay salary to staff, you need pay for renting hosting services in datacenter. Now office rent and other taxes realated with it.
    Where did all money come from??

    Free 2 play means you can play game without needing to pay monthly subscription. And all other stuffs in cash store are optional. No one pooking you in back and tell to buy zen. It's totally up for you.

    Now the prices for new companions and mythic mount. Personally I don't like. The 100 dolars. For casual game? I would not pay for that.
    Not only they are not best, but also there is plenty of alternatives. I am sure some players who via various means accumulated tons of ZEN will obtain these mounts/companions. But most players will avoid it..

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  • regenerderegenerde Member Posts: 3,047 Arc User
    edited December 2021
    Well, considering that you can play and enjoy the game for free... not sure what this rant is all about? Besides, are you also going to complain about all the free stuff you could get from just playing the game this year?

    For one, that mount is just a small bonus for players that keep the lights on around here through buying a huge amount of ZEN, and i think while it is a cute mount, it is also not something that is going to push me into spending that much money on ZEN. Again, players are not buying the mount itself, they're buying the ZEN and getting the mount as a bonus.

    Hell, i'd even get that far to say that anyone that drops that much money on the game should get all the rewards from the smaller packs too. That's how it worked in the past, and that's how it should work now...

    And i'd also guess that we might see a similar mount inside the next new lockbox, doubtful they create a new mount skin and not have two or even three variations of it on standby to release in some way later down the line - which means it will also land in the Auction House for everyone to buy at some point. The same goes for the Mimic companion.

    Don't get me wrong, i'm done with spending real money on the game for some time now, because there's literally no working Customer Support behind it any more, but that's another story.

    Anyway, take care, stay healthy and Happy Holidays everyone.
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  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    However, since Cryptic economy is so bad they had to be sold:
    Embracer will have to increase income or decrease costs to turn this around.

    Increase income = attract more players or milk more money from current players. Life could be getting harder for the F2P crowd.
    Decrease costs = less development. Probably not much else they can do to really cut costs.

    We certainly will not see that much change for mod 22. Maybe not even for mod 23 since that should be well along in development.

    I think they should make Neverwinter 2:
    * Replace client with a commercial one and support RTX.
    * Keep backend
    * Keep combat and stats system - combat was always the strong side of NW, and the new stats system has worked better than I expected despite being somewhat hard to uinderstand.
    * Make a lot new content
    * Launch it all with a big AD campaign

    It does not have to BE new, it just has to LOOK new :)
  • arazith07arazith07 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,719 Arc User

    However, since Cryptic economy is so bad they had to be sold:
    Embracer will have to increase income or decrease costs to turn this around.

    Increase income = attract more players or milk more money from current players. Life could be getting harder for the F2P crowd.
    Decrease costs = less development. Probably not much else they can do to really cut costs.

    We certainly will not see that much change for mod 22. Maybe not even for mod 23 since that should be well along in development.

    I think they should make Neverwinter 2:
    * Replace client with a commercial one and support RTX.
    * Keep backend
    * Keep combat and stats system - combat was always the strong side of NW, and the new stats system has worked better than I expected despite being somewhat hard to uinderstand.
    * Make a lot new content
    * Launch it all with a big AD campaign

    It does not have to BE new, it just has to LOOK new :)

    PWE was bought out, Cryptic is the successful part of that and likely the reason why Gearbox wanted to buy them.
  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    edited December 2021
    arazith07 said:

    However, since Cryptic economy is so bad they had to be sold:
    Embracer will have to increase income or decrease costs to turn this around.

    Increase income = attract more players or milk more money from current players. Life could be getting harder for the F2P crowd.
    Decrease costs = less development. Probably not much else they can do to really cut costs.

    We certainly will not see that much change for mod 22. Maybe not even for mod 23 since that should be well along in development.

    I think they should make Neverwinter 2:
    * Replace client with a commercial one and support RTX.
    * Keep backend
    * Keep combat and stats system - combat was always the strong side of NW, and the new stats system has worked better than I expected despite being somewhat hard to uinderstand.
    * Make a lot new content
    * Launch it all with a big AD campaign

    It does not have to BE new, it just has to LOOK new :)

    PWE was bought out, Cryptic is the successful part of that and likely the reason why Gearbox wanted to buy them.
    I think that is a rather optimistic way of seeing it.

    The press release says
    During 2021, PWE had operating losses stemming from the cancellation of Cryptic’s newest MMO (Magic: Legends) and a gap in PWE Publishing’s release schedule.

    The best possible way to understand that is that even if Cryptic delivers a net profit, it is nowhere enough to compensate for PWE Publishing's losses. Since the employee counts are 136 to 101, a well-running Cryptic likely could carry PWE Publishing.. which it obviously did not.

    The more balanced way of seeing it is that both Cryptic and PWE Publishing delivered losses. This is also what you would expect to happen when Magic Legends was cancelled. The other games in Cryptic's portefolio are getting old, and it is normal that games have less and less playercount and income as time moves on. Cryptic needed Magic Legends to be successful to renew its cashflow.

    And also remember a sound company will deliver a net profit of 10-12% to its shareholders, the requirement is not just not running at a loss.
  • armadeonxarmadeonx Member Posts: 4,952 Arc User
    I'd like to see a Neverwinter 2...
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  • rockster#6227 rockster Member Posts: 1,860 Arc User
    I'd like to see them just freeze everything and leave it the way it is and launch a second version which continues to do stupid changes and morph into something totally different. Let the players vote with their clicks.
    Apparently pointing-out the bleeding obvious is a 'personal attack'.
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