40k IL RTQ Renovated Demogorgon Update

thezabojca

Dear Developers,
My name is Wojciech and I enjoy playing Neverwinter.
Together with half of a PC playerbase we just loudly cried in Zone chat of Protector's Enclave, because due to a "renovated" Demogorgon you have RISEN required Item Level for the Random Trial Queue called in short "RTQ".

Now majority of player base cannot access the main source of Raw Astral Diamonds (RAD) income. Can you do something about it?
I would like you to notice that 40 000 Item Level is really hard to get nowadays. It's not like everybody has it. We all know that elitists who play this game their entire lifes have to have some place to play, but for God's love It's unplayable for newer and intermediate players.

You, as developers, have blocked a content from us. Neverwinter is all about progression and everything is already expensive on Auction House (AH). We cannot grind forever to get 1 simple item. You just blocked us from casual gaming.

We all know we can queue to these Trials by Manual queuing, but we will not get much currency, because they all provide very small amounts already. We would have to spend our entire day just to beat the limit of 100k AD.

Please, do something with it. I would rather scream "WHAT ARE YOU DOING", but I am really trying to convince you here that we "average" gamers also want to enjoy the game. Please, do not make a Neverwinter a "grindy" game like typical Korean MMORPG where you have to spend your entire life to get into the endgame.

We need your help. Please, let us, low geared players also enjoy the game, because the entire update just brought a doom upon us.
Without reaching a 100k AD limit we cannot grind for better gear and upgrades.
Without better gear we cannot play (previously) normal content to maximize AD.
Without the best gear we cannot even reach end game campaigns like Sharandar.

Sorry to say If I wrote something that offended you. I am not gonna hide it. I am really sad, frustrated and disappointed what you have just done.
I hope you will help us somehow,
Thank you, Wojciech.


PS I have noticed you gave us a single legendary mount insygnia to boost our Item Levels to 40 000 I guess, but It's just not enough. It's a drip in a sea of tears.

reg1981

Sooooo how's lower players supposed to gather AD? Was this an intended change? Nothing in patch notes about it.

wendigo

What the hell, not only that there aren't many players in neverwinter, then you set 40k item level on the dungeon.
You don't respect us as players, but as a wallet

jkd666

What is the fate of a game that doesn't listen to the players? What makes life difficult for new players?

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jules

They are trying to force players to switch items to newer content's items I guess. If you are new/do not have a full stable/comp list, you really will need new items - battlepass items perhaps? (And, ultimately, you will need to buy mounts and comps. Here is our mount bundle on sale!!) Maybe there is not enough spending, maybe there is not enough people using new gear (since the "old" gear is better in scaled content, in many cases).
They just love their IL. That will not change. For the $$$ department, it is prolly not the best if you can wing a big part of the game with a low IL, not many mounts, not many comps etc. So lets just force them to upgrade, that way they do not have to make better (stronger) items to replace the old and nerf them in the end.

empalas

Gosh there must have been a paragraph or two missing from the dev blog.

kaderukawa

you killed rtq

armadeonx

I totally get the upset here with a 40k requirement. I haven't logged in yet since the update, does this requirement apply to all trials or just Demogorgon? In other words, can you still queue for the other trials such as Tiamat or does it apply to all?

I have to say that I understand why they made the minimum, the updated version is much harder (according to the devs - and I believe them on this one after reading the notes on how they changed it) and I was concerned about 30k players being able to handle it.

We pushed for a 3 tier system a long while back when they were first introducing the 2 tier, this stands out as a prime case of why it was needed and it's a shame they didn't go that way.

jules

armadeonx said:

I totally get the upset here with a 40k requirement. I haven't logged in yet since the update, does this requirement apply to all trials or just Demogorgon? In other words, can you still queue for the other trials such as Tiamat or does it apply to all?

I have to say that I understand why they made the minimum, the updated version is much harder (according to the devs - and I believe them on this one after reading the notes on how they changed it) and I was concerned about 30k players being able to handle it.

We pushed for a 3 tier system a long while back when they were first introducing the 2 tier, this stands out as a prime case of why it was needed and it's a shame they didn't go that way.

A 3 tier system would be cool if we had enough players.

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armadeonx

hitchslapped said:

jules#6770 said:

A 3 tier system would be cool if we had enough players.

we *used to*......

Well kinda, if you mean separate queue for IC etc - we were after a broader spread of options rather than the most recent dungeon & trial...

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wendigo

They just love the wallet, not the players

shadowslave604

What are you complaining about?
Ppl have been asking for hard content.
It was delivered.
If you are in sharandar you most likely are 40k and as a NEW trial it is not for all players.
There are many rando q to enter. Play what you qualified for.
It is a game have fun.

jules

hitchslapped said:

armadeonx said:

hitchslapped said:

jules#6770 said:

A 3 tier system would be cool if we had enough players.

we *used to*......

Well kinda, if you mean separate queue for IC etc - we were after a broader spread of options rather than the most recent dungeon & trial...

well, there was that, but i meant like, before everything changed when the m16 nation attacked, before huntgate, etc.

That's not what I would have in mind for a real 3 tier system, but I assume that could last us for another CDP if that had ever mattered
e. quoting is hard

riccatwo

I have an high damage warlock on PS4. Tried random queue once and sure this is not a dungeon for casual players.
Then went with good players from my alliance and we finished it first time in 16 minutes. Second time we were swamped from mobs just when we were about to kill last boss. He has lot of hp and mob spawning should be toned down.
But my big complain is that both chests still give low value rewards like in the past. Even rough diamonds are few on average. Chances for new artifact set are obviosly very low.
I don't think I'll do it anymore, wasted time for me.

nicomancer

"There are many rando q to enter. Play what you qualified for"

But they locked ALL Random Trials behind a 40k requirement. You can't do RTQs at all if you are not 40k

jules

shadowslave604 said:

What are you complaining about?
Ppl have been asking for hard content.
It was delivered.
If you are in sharandar you most likely are 40k and as a NEW trial it is not for all players.
There are many rando q to enter. Play what you qualified for.
It is a game have fun.

RTQ = hard content ???

shadowslave604

> @jules#6770 said:
> RTQ = hard content ???

For alot of ppl i am sure it is.
But for brand new trial it really needs to be in its own NEW Q for a little while.

Also new fresh 40k players should have issues in NEW content. Until they learn mechanics and get the better drops.
That is how games work. Get some carries if you need. Then help others.
That is what guild and alliance help is for.

jules

shadowslave604 said:

> @jules#6770 said:
> RTQ = hard content ???

For alot of ppl i am sure it is.
But for brand new trial it really needs to be in its own NEW Q for a little while.

I think that's the only problem people really have with it - they should take it out of RTQ and let everybody that is not 40k play msva, codg and tia.

wilbur626

> @thezabojca said:
> Dear Developers,
> My name is Wojciech and I enjoy playing Neverwinter.
> Together with half of a PC playerbase we just loudly cried in Zone chat of Protector's Enclave, because due to a "renovated" Demogorgon you have RISEN required Item Level for the Random Trial Queue called in short "RTQ".
>
> Now majority of player base cannot access the main source of Raw Astral Diamonds (RAD) income. Can you do something about it?
> I would like you to notice that 40 000 Item Level is really hard to get nowadays. It's not like everybody has it. We all know that elitists who play this game their entire lifes have to have some place to play, but for God's love It's unplayable for newer and intermediate players.
>
> You, as developers, have blocked a content from us. Neverwinter is all about progression and everything is already expensive on Auction House (AH). We cannot grind forever to get 1 simple item. You just blocked us from casual gaming.
>
> We all know we can queue to these Trials by Manual queuing, but we will not get much currency, because they all provide very small amounts already. We would have to spend our entire day just to beat the limit of 100k AD.
>
> Please, do something with it. I would rather scream "WHAT ARE YOU DOING", but I am really trying to convince you here that we "average" gamers also want to enjoy the game. Please, do not make a Neverwinter a "grindy" game like typical Korean MMORPG where you have to spend your entire life to get into the endgame.
>
> We need your help. Please, let us, low geared players also enjoy the game, because the entire update just brought a doom upon us.
> Without reaching a 100k AD limit we cannot grind for better gear and upgrades.
> Without better gear we cannot play (previously) normal content to maximize AD.
> Without the best gear we cannot even reach end game campaigns like Sharandar.
>
> Sorry to say If I wrote something that offended you. I am not gonna hide it. I am really sad, frustrated and disappointed what you have just done.
> I hope you will help us somehow,
> Thank you, Wojciech.
>
>
> PS I have noticed you gave us a single legendary mount insygnia to boost our Item Levels to 40 000 I guess, but It's just not enough. It's a drip in a sea of tears.

Getting to 40k takes 21-28 days (depending on juma luck) after the leveling changes.

powerpuff

And once again we have a complete failure to be open and honest and to communicate changes to the player base. How was this not foreseen? How was this not included in the release notes? Seems to me this is just another change was rushed into the game - yet again. If enough people complain, we just might get a response - as unpleasant as it might be. But some communication is better than none.

admiralwarlord

40k is something really difficult for a new player with no knowledge and experience in the game to get on quickly and easily. This will force players for example to maximize the Protector artifact set that the game gives (which is very good for beginners and very bad for the course of the game) and prevents new players from quickly searching for the Mirage weapons which is the set that currently delivers more damage. It also prevents players from running away with completely unequipped alternate characters, which will likely reduce the failure rate - it might even encourage them to get some affection. For these new players, content such as Expeditions in Undermountain and farm coins for acquiring juma became increasingly important, as did the repetition of random normal dungeons and skirmishs. As a veteran player this won't affect me at all, but I'm worried about what harms the younger ones, so I'll leave the suggestion for the normal dungeon contents to have their RAD gain increased, even because I believe that players like me, don't they run more of these contents and don't even care to gain more RAD than they already have.

A tip for new players reading this post, when choosing the necklace that the game gives when you finish some of your adventures, choose the RAD bonus necklace, it will be very useful after these changes.

*After doing some tests on Rainer's great program, I believe 35k would be a more compatible number for RTQ, 40k is really something very difficult and time-consuming to achieve for a new player.*

chrisb

I just don't have the time to devote to running longer and longer content for poor rewards.

mushellka

Right now completing a Demo out of a queue is painful but doable.
With lowered threshold, it couldn’t be finished, like most things where newbies are allowed in.

Unfortunately, the truth is that without knowledge of mechanics and the ability to deal decent damage, you are useless in dungeons.

Unfortunately, the rewards are not bad but rather tragic. I'm not going to waste tokens on 3 to 4 black opals.

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reg1981

There's no way ppl below 40k IL are gonna have a good time in the new demo. It makes sense that they are limited out of it. But it makes no sense at all for this to be lumped into RTQ.

shadowslave604 said:

What are you complaining about?
Ppl have been asking for hard content.
It was delivered.
If you are in sharandar you most likely are 40k and as a NEW trial it is not for all players.
There are many rando q to enter. Play what you qualified for.
It is a game have fun.

Sorry but I gotta disagree with almost your entire post here lol But before you read my comments please know that I've completed demo several times and do really enjoy it! Personally I find it fun, but I've not had the pleasure of it popping for RTQ.

-We are complaining that RTQ now requires 40k IL.

-I dont' know about you but we've been asking for NEW hard content. Not old content to be made hard and eff up content that the majority of the player base could actually play. And at the same time eff up RTQ for an AD stream. Truth be told this remake is not really hard, it's just different. Fastest complete for me today was 8 minutes.

-You right... But new trial shouldn't be in RTQ and shouldn't be the cause of an big IL increase for RTQ. Why is tomm not in RTQ? It's been around a long time and it's around 40k IL to join is it not?

-40K IL needed for tiamat and msva.... Got it -_-

powerpuff#6508 said:

And once again we have a complete failure to be open and honest and to communicate changes to the player base. How was this not foreseen? How was this not included in the release notes? Seems to me this is just another change was rushed into the game - yet again. If enough people complain, we just might get a response - as unpleasant as it might be. But some communication is better than none.

This is extremely irritating... Nothing but lip service telling us things will be more transparent. Completely lost any remaining credibility or benefits of the doubt @nitocris83

jules#6770 said:

I think that's the only problem people really have with it - they should take it out of RTQ and let everybody that is not 40k play msva, codg and tia.

And the old version of demo!!!

arazith07

40k is not as hard as people make it out to be, and it is no where near BiS. 40k iL is midgame imo. As far as getting rAD, no one is stopping you from queuing for the other trials, you just have to run another dungeon or two to make up the difference and frankly, new players need that extra practice to learn the game. IMO new players should not be able to access all the random queues after finishing all the adventures like they could before.

empalas

arazith07 said:

40k is not as hard as people make it out to be, and it is no where near BiS. 40k iL is midgame imo. As far as getting rAD, no one is stopping you from queuing for the other trials, you just have to run another dungeon or two to make up the difference and frankly, new players need that extra practice to learn the game. IMO new players should not be able to access all the random queues after finishing all the adventures like they could before.

Not hard for whom?
I suppose its not hard if you can buy everything you need to get there...but that's the thing. I've been playing since NW launched and I barely have my new bard up to 38k. That only because of the better gear my alts just had in their bags and 3 mythic, 2leg mounts and enough epic companions to help there. There must be something I'm missing on getting my IL "easily" up to 40k. For a F2P new player, they either have to be very lucky with RNG or someone gifting them to get there "easily".