Message to the Devs

burnahbros

You are doing a great job! Keep up the excellent work! I love the new combat changes and the New Sharandar campaign is a nice breathe of fresh air after all that grinding in hell. Grinding is good and all but it's nice to have ebbs and flows with the game. It can't always be one way or cater to only one group of players. I appreciate that you create content for all types of players and leave no one left out. There is so much to do in Neverwinter and so much fun to be had. I'm constantly in awe of what a great game Neverwinter is, and what a fantastic job you all do working on this game that I love. There are so many little things that get overlooked by many but know that I notice. There are so many things about the game that you all do so good and never get the credit you deserve.

Thank you very much for everything you do!

elderislt

Yea i agree wat you say but....Srr mate kiling end game content,end game progres, rushing to fast new content when old content have still bug from 2020... making PAY TO PROGRES,.... its alot of mistakes are in game starting from MIRAGE finising end game.
NEVERWINTER need changes, but not combat changes, we can have one of the bes mmorpg in all world but developer's to much gready... you just need go more deep in problems and you will understand why game is daying.....

admiralwarlord

elderislt#1066 said:

Yea i agree wat you say but....Srr mate kiling end game content,end game progres, rushing to fast new content when old content have still bug from 2020... making PAY TO PROGRES,.... its alot of mistakes are in game starting from MIRAGE finising end game.

NEVERWINTER need changes, but not combat changes, we can have one of the bes mmorpg in all world but developer's to much gready... you just need go more deep in problems and you will understand why game is daying.....

We are in the first module post combat change and it takes time for both developers and players. Try to have a vision as if it were a beginner player or a casual player, they need more time so that the vanguard does not get so far away. The game will have a progression, perhaps slower than it was (a fact that pleases me in a lot), but it takes time for developers, since it is a known fact that they do not have such a large team. About the weapon sets, I do not remember you were moved by the players of other classes when they complained about the celestial weapons set when it was released, it must be because it was very advantageous to your class?

elderislt

> @admiralwarlord#3792 said:
> We are in the first module post combat change and it takes time for both developers and players. Try to have a vision as if it were a beginner player or a casual player, they need more time so that the vanguard does not get so far away. The game will have a progression, perhaps slower than it was (a fact that pleases me in a lot), but it takes time for developers, since it is a known fact that they do not have such a large team. About the weapon sets, I do not remember you were moved by the players of other classes when they complained about the celestial weapons set when it was released, it must be because it was very advantageous to your class?

Colestial set is end game set, you need spend alot of time to get this set or lion set , now its not wortit spent time or materials for new player to get this set i agree cryptic team is not huge.
But then last time cryptic ask ppl-wat do you wana? Or you wana combat changes? Or you wana this or wat?.... were is comunication between cryptic and players, you can say forum, but get ansver in forum from cryptic is almost not imposible.

admiralwarlord

elderislt#1066 said:

> @admiralwarlord#3792 said:

> We are in the first module post combat change and it takes time for both developers and players. Try to have a vision as if it were a beginner player or a casual player, they need more time so that the vanguard does not get so far away. The game will have a progression, perhaps slower than it was (a fact that pleases me in a lot), but it takes time for developers, since it is a known fact that they do not have such a large team. About the weapon sets, I do not remember you were moved by the players of other classes when they complained about the celestial weapons set when it was released, it must be because it was very advantageous to your class?


Colestial set is end game set, you need spend alot of time to get this set or lion set , now its not wortit spent time or materials for new player to get this set i agree cryptic team is not huge.

But then last time cryptic ask ppl-wat do you wana? Or you wana combat changes? Or you wana this or wat?.... were is comunication between cryptic and players, you can say forum, but get ansver in forum from cryptic is almost not imposible.

Maybe I needed a lot of time to finalize Zariel, today is as many old content and does not require longer training as when it was released. About the interaction of the team of developers with players you can see live in the game as here since much of the changes you criticize were requests from players and are archived here in the forum, in the topic of CDP.

jules

admiralwarlord#3792 said:

elderislt#1066 said:

> @admiralwarlord#3792 said:

> We are in the first module post combat change and it takes time for both developers and players. Try to have a vision as if it were a beginner player or a casual player, they need more time so that the vanguard does not get so far away. The game will have a progression, perhaps slower than it was (a fact that pleases me in a lot), but it takes time for developers, since it is a known fact that they do not have such a large team. About the weapon sets, I do not remember you were moved by the players of other classes when they complained about the celestial weapons set when it was released, it must be because it was very advantageous to your class?


Colestial set is end game set, you need spend alot of time to get this set or lion set , now its not wortit spent time or materials for new player to get this set i agree cryptic team is not huge.

But then last time cryptic ask ppl-wat do you wana? Or you wana combat changes? Or you wana this or wat?.... were is comunication between cryptic and players, you can say forum, but get ansver in forum from cryptic is almost not imposible.

Maybe I needed a lot of time to finalize Zariel, today is as many old content and does not require longer training as when it was released. About the interaction of the team of developers with players you can see live in the game as here since much of the changes you criticize were requests from players and are archived here in the forum, in the topic of CDP.

Wait wait wait.
Can we discuss what was requests from players in the CDP? I am not saying you are wrong, but I am interested in what you are thinking about here.

rickcase276

The only big issue with it being here on the forums and in the CDP is that the majority of players never come to, or even care about, the forums. But too there are no changes that a large majority of the players would agree with, even if they gave everyone 2 trillion AD and Zen there would still be people that would not like it. So it all comes down to person preferences and the play what you like idea.

admiralwarlord

jules#6770 said:

admiralwarlord#3792 said:

elderislt#1066 said:

> @admiralwarlord#3792 said:

> We are in the first module post combat change and it takes time for both developers and players. Try to have a vision as if it were a beginner player or a casual player, they need more time so that the vanguard does not get so far away. The game will have a progression, perhaps slower than it was (a fact that pleases me in a lot), but it takes time for developers, since it is a known fact that they do not have such a large team. About the weapon sets, I do not remember you were moved by the players of other classes when they complained about the celestial weapons set when it was released, it must be because it was very advantageous to your class?


Colestial set is end game set, you need spend alot of time to get this set or lion set , now its not wortit spent time or materials for new player to get this set i agree cryptic team is not huge.

But then last time cryptic ask ppl-wat do you wana? Or you wana combat changes? Or you wana this or wat?.... were is comunication between cryptic and players, you can say forum, but get ansver in forum from cryptic is almost not imposible.

Maybe I needed a lot of time to finalize Zariel, today is as many old content and does not require longer training as when it was released. About the interaction of the team of developers with players you can see live in the game as here since much of the changes you criticize were requests from players and are archived here in the forum, in the topic of CDP.

Wait wait wait.
Can we discuss what was requests from players in the CDP? I am not saying you are wrong, but I am interested in what you are thinking about here.

Scale and change in progression would be examples.

admiralwarlord

rickcase276 said:

The only big issue with it being here on the forums and in the CDP is that the majority of players never come to, or even care about, the forums. But too there are no changes that a large majority of the players would agree with, even if they gave everyone 2 trillion AD and Zen there would still be people that would not like it. So it all comes down to person preferences and the play what you like idea.

The developers are then guilty of the players not being able to enter the forum for 5 minutes to issue an opinion? I don't understand your reasoning.

rickcase276

It is not the developers fault about anything. They develop what they think is best for their vision of the game and then it is up to the players to decide whether they will play it or not. And if they don't the development team has a good chance to be changed or the game will cease to exist. It is the nature of everything, really.

rickcase276

And so it is clear, I have no problems with the combat changes or most things that they are doing with the game. Yes, I do think they focus a bit too much on group content(HEs and dungeons) and not the storylines(campaigns, solo content), but for everything else I am okay with their direction for the game currently.

mehwar

burnahbros#7516 said:

You are doing a great job! Keep up the excellent work! I love the new combat changes and the New Sharandar campaign is a nice breathe of fresh air after all that grinding in hell. Grinding is good and all but it's nice to have ebbs and flows with the game. It can't always be one way or cater to only one group of players. I appreciate that you create content for all types of players and leave no one left out. There is so much to do in Neverwinter and so much fun to be had. I'm constantly in awe of what a great game Neverwinter is, and what a fantastic job you all do working on this game that I love. There are so many little things that get overlooked by many but know that I notice. There are so many things about the game that you all do so good and never get the credit you deserve.

Thank you very much for everything you do!

Are u sure about this? Mod 20 is supposedly a new chapter with interesting story line and engaging mechanics. Common in MMO's when they release a "new expansion" is theres some cool stuff to do. Ive never seen a new mod with fewer instances cause people are so bored in doing BHE or keep doing the same quest over and over again. They can just release Vault of Stars and that's the content for them. Now they are doing the same mistake by making BHE dominant in episode 2. Which is a lazy take on episodic content. I don't know how long have you been playing the game but many people aren't happy on what this mod is all about. Even Avernus is much more interesting cause people farm favors for a guaranteed transmute or new gear. Compare it to the grind of shattered diamond where there's no assurance of getting the transmute and the artifact. This is just pure laziness and money trap in the side of cryptic.

burnahbros

zerodesolation said:

burnahbros#7516 said:

You are doing a great job! Keep up the excellent work! I love the new combat changes and the New Sharandar campaign is a nice breathe of fresh air after all that grinding in hell. Grinding is good and all but it's nice to have ebbs and flows with the game. It can't always be one way or cater to only one group of players. I appreciate that you create content for all types of players and leave no one left out. There is so much to do in Neverwinter and so much fun to be had. I'm constantly in awe of what a great game Neverwinter is, and what a fantastic job you all do working on this game that I love. There are so many little things that get overlooked by many but know that I notice. There are so many things about the game that you all do so good and never get the credit you deserve.

Thank you very much for everything you do!

Are u sure about this? Mod 20 is supposedly a new chapter with interesting story line and engaging mechanics. Common in MMO's when they release a "new expansion" is theres some cool stuff to do. Ive never seen a new mod with fewer instances cause people are so bored in doing BHE or keep doing the same quest over and over again. They can just release Vault of Stars and that's the content for them. Now they are doing the same mistake by making BHE dominant in episode 2. Which is a lazy take on episodic content. I don't know how long have you been playing the game but many people aren't happy on what this mod is all about. Even Avernus is much more interesting cause people farm favors for a guaranteed transmute or new gear. Compare it to the grind of shattered diamond where there's no assurance of getting the transmute and the artifact. This is just pure laziness and money trap in the side of cryptic.

Lol You assume I'm a new player(nothing wrong with being a new player but you are trying to use it as an insult and a way to invalidate my opinion and my gaming experience) and infer that I am ignorant because I do not share your opinion. I have 18k + hours in game, to answer your question, that's how long I've been playing. You say many people are not happy but you only speak for yourself. I have my opinion, and in my experience, there are more players in game, that I interact with in some form, than in any other game I've ever played in my life. Queue's pop quickly 24/7 in my experience, unlike other games. Every zone I go to is active and there are lots of players. Even legacy zones are very active with players doing all sorts of activities. The game is alive and well and has more players than ever from what I can tell. But I've only played 18,000 + hours so what do I know?

micky1p00

Starting with the more objective side of things:

I do see some valid points here, first is that HEs are a mechanic that came to live in mod3. Now let it sink, the main mechanic used to make people excited about the game is something from 7? years ago. Is it exciting and innovative? Maybe to some, but to me not so much.

Hunts, also btw, were introduced as HEs v1.5 at Mod 11/12 (Chult) which was quite a while ago... long while ago..

Second, the numbers of players per instance and number of instances is not hard to see, and several people posted those already. It's clear that at large the new Mod is not the greatest hit, and some of the older zones have more players. I guess combination of lack of interest and new players who play actively farming gear.

Active or dead is not an absolute term, but relative. To some an Active MMO can be if they see someone chat in alliance one in a life time, others except the chat to flood with people making groups, otherwise the game is dead.

If we compare NW to few other games of the same age and similar audience (and yes we don't know exact numbers), NW is stable, but really not even close to the more successful games. If we get from the "casual RPGMMO from 2013 era" category to a bit broader scope of online games NW is not even a blip on the radar. It just doesn't register. For comparison NW player-base is counted in few ten\s of thousands at best, while some games count in million unique users monthly.

To the more subjective side of things:

From what I see, many players who played mainly NW and some only NW, now focused on something else for entertainment. I can attest, coming from very active end-game guild with fully NW focused (everyone come from NW) active discord at M17 to now having more non NW channels than NW at m19 - 20. We are active, even more active (~5-10k messages per week), but NW no longer does its job.

Maybe it's a difference of expectations, but to my experience I saw games with many more players, some games with much more interesting story, games with better graphics, some with better combat system and so on.

Anyway, the aim here is not just discredit NW, it has its charm, or more correctly, at 2013 it had its uniqueness, combat system, DnD IP, more mature player-base, and so on. Now the competition is harsher, veteran players can be held only for so long by social ties and sunk cost fallacy, while new players will not just rush into 8 years old MMO with half broken economy, empty promises, plethora of bugs, and simply stagnation. More so with players who played PnP DnD and care about the story do not really increase... We are past generation.

False sense of "we are doing great" will only bring the game to a worse place than it is now. I admit that I do not play as much lately, but from my personal experience, I don't see those full instances, lots of players and more players than ever. Every metric objective or subjective that I can see shows the opposite. But I'll be happy to be wrong, if it means that the game indeed doing better than ever, though I highly doubt it.

At the end, when I ask myself, is there anything exciting in that Episode to come. For me, at least from what I know for now, the answer is NO.

micky1p00

And what a coincidence, another game, "cooperative free-to-play third person online action game set in an evolving sci-fi world", which was released at about the same time as NW, 2013, just released an expansion. And with it a song. Yes, a song - "Sleeping In The Cold Below". I've never played the game, but you know what I'm listening to now? Yeah, you guessed it, not the NW expansion song.
I'm not playing that game and I'm more hyped about that expansion which I'm not going to play, than episode 2 of Sharandar...

2 hours after release that song has more views than NW playerbase and more than the original Sharandar trailer from a month ago. Their expansion release trailer has, after 2 hours, 20 times the NW episode 2 release trailer after 5 hours.

Maybe one needs to play for 8 years to understand the amount of disappointment from where the game goes.. Or what it could have been..
Or maybe we should care less, then we wont be disappointed. Maybe then everything will seem so well done.

thefiresidecat

I've given away everything before and regretted it a little. (on pc) but now i"m honestly struggling with it for my much larger hoard on xbox. seriously tempted to give everything away and uninstall and just walk away. I thought before I'd go between fo76 and NW since their mod drops are offset from each other.. but even though fo76 has less content and is much less than nw on a few fronts.. it's far more engaging at this point in time. I honestly have no desire to sink any more effort into NW. the recent changes quite honestly killed the game for me. it's dead.. DED I tell yah! at least imo. when I touch it it's cold and it doesn't even talk to me like the undead would. I can see it's bones glistening in the sun - being picked clean by low level predators. I honestly am not feeling the hope that maybe the next mod will be better. it's gotten worse every mod drop from mod 16. so yeah. if the game were announced over tomorrow I'd feel nothing.

Furthermore, I do not feel like the player base was listened to from the cdp. I do not remember the majority asking for MORE scaling. and HEAVIER scaling and progression being taken away. I don't remember that at all. I feel like htey did the opposite on all fronts from what the majority wanted.

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