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Warlock class is just terrible, please implement a class respec
mongol69
Member Posts: 447 Arc User
Months and many threads in and the warlock class is still just terrible all around, core base mechanic issues, and mostly ignored and abandoned by devs.
Please just implement a class respec token and weapon exchange vendor. Allow warlock players to also abandon the warlock class as well.
This would make all time, money and progress somewhat salvageable and not an absolute loss with no meaningful resolution mentioned or offered anytime in the near future. Well, other than further performance reduction from multiplicative to additive "fix" coming.
Other classes players are also unhappy with such as barbi, fighter, etc. would also benefit from this.
Even if it cost as much as 5 to 10k zen, others including myself would purchase to at least salvage the millions of ad already invested in thier classes that perform terrible and are non viable at endgame for the role they have played for many mods prior.
Please just implement a class respec token and weapon exchange vendor. Allow warlock players to also abandon the warlock class as well.
This would make all time, money and progress somewhat salvageable and not an absolute loss with no meaningful resolution mentioned or offered anytime in the near future. Well, other than further performance reduction from multiplicative to additive "fix" coming.
Other classes players are also unhappy with such as barbi, fighter, etc. would also benefit from this.
Even if it cost as much as 5 to 10k zen, others including myself would purchase to at least salvage the millions of ad already invested in thier classes that perform terrible and are non viable at endgame for the role they have played for many mods prior.
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Mistakenly many maxed it out again as dps and come to find out it's not viable at endgame as a dps role. Devs have only worked on making the healing path...work, so I guess it could be run as a healer in tomm now.
But being forced to run and invest more into a role I never chose, a role that wasnt an option prior, and now the only viable role endgame is just ridiculous. If I wanted to be a healer, I would have chosen another class that performs better as a healer prior.
Just a poor class implementation all around.
R.I.P DPS Warlock, you haven't any spot here.
This became a test of each class and each build, but warlocks, in principle, cannot fully participate in it.
Just because when starting the content, the class was not recognized by the damage dealer by the developers and were not made
the simplest adjustments (such as fixing the Tyrannical Curse (does not increase the damage received by a halaster from other skill) Vampiric Embrace (Removes Paladin Shields)) and much more.
Players are invited to play a soul weaver, but this is a different role and different equipment with a cost equal to the cost of creating another character.
Warlock R. I. P.
At given time (1 years+) they gonna fix it and warlock's dps will drop off even more.
Soulweaver can handle content but who wants another supprt in case warlock was his dps class?
I run Oathkeeper switched all stuff over, but honestly this all is an example of poor communication and treatment of a class and balance in general.
That bug is manageable to break by Shift, maybe somthing else. At wills blocking gameplay repeatedly.
Same issues on my wizard sometimes, a bit different. The CW is rooted by animations (guess At Wills) and can´t do a step only dodge, nothing else... I need to relogg or mount my horse to get him out of that stasis.
At least Warlock is capable to break that stucking animation , but in the middle of fight you first need to be aware of that bug, it takes few seconds within the party is dead sometimes... sparks gone
I really don´t like to quote myself, but way before mod 17 lauched I anticipated exactly this scenario, where I wrote something like " I really hope this changes will not lead to another 4 years of "crawling arround" an unfinished class out of balance and without getting adressed in time"
That's what it looks like to some degree, where there is no communication at no time and feedback mostly got ignored, since the one who is responsible for the class is too busy with other stuff, simply look at those classes devided into two camps, one has additive buffs the other multiplicative.
Another point mentioned several times is:
mod 17 is developed for "20 player" -> 20 player, taht's the average number on PC inside TOMM-> 20 not 200 !
They did a good job on that trial maybe, but in all honesty for the price of dropping and pushing away 99.9% of the rest of playerbase.
Develloping an mmo arround this little minority of player and ignoring major issues like unbalanced classes (inside tomm there are 100% Hunter TR CW actually doing the trial as dps), the rest sentenced to run ME's all time and getting annoyed by bugs and unfinished classes, looks like a pretty poor decision to me.
But yeah, I tried getting into warlock for a short time, but it just didn't work out for me. Most notably trying to be a healer with it. Got a new soul, and went back to being a devout cleric, infinitely better results even after nerfing!
I must not be the only one who has to mute everything when a couple hellish rebuke spammers show up - that horrible sound! Like sand being scoured against my eardrums with steel wool.
I can't give up my warlock. I don't even care if it's close to dead last in terms of dps. So long as I've got three encounters that actually work - and even if there weren't, I don't think I could trade it in for something else. I do get better results with everything but my paladin, but I don't think the other classes are anywhere near as much fun to play.
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> I can't give up my warlock. I don't even care if it's close to dead last in terms of dps. So long as I've got three encounters that actually work - and even if there weren't, I don't think I could trade it in for something else. I do get better results with everything but my paladin, but I don't think the other classes are anywhere near as much fun to play.
warlock for ever, also if will be able just to spawn at the campfire!!! in older mod i played cw, where controll was awsome. but when sw show his face... it was love at first glance😍
Right after Mod 16 launched I advocated patience because most of the problems players were reporting were "learn to play (the new Warlock)" issues, not game-breaking ones.
Now that we're into Mod 17 and I am playing after the patch where the Warlock "improvement" was to tune the audio on Hellish Rebuke to turn it into some kind of ASMR whisper, I'm at a loss.
Contagion - Cleric
Testament - Wizard
Pestilence - Ranger
Dominion - Paladin
NIGHTSWATCH
Try taking a warlock to 218k idle power and then comparing its results with a wizards at equivalent stats and damage is 25% to 40% less damage. Faster the run, larger the damage disparity. It's a really bad place.
Cant argue against the core mechanics and math, base rotation damage single target is 45% of wizards, wizard at will is 250-500 magnitude per second compared to 30 magnitude per .7 seconds on warlock. At full peak max buffs of a warlock when the target is almost dead then warlocks still have 98% of base wizard rotation not including smolder or stacks...
Of the 98% of wizard base rotation at full buffs is up to 20% as target health decreases, and 25% from si stacks that take 96 seconds to attain if the puppet never dies and no intereuption of combat or phases.
Look at tomm act logs, warlocks output about 60% of a wizard at equivalent gear and stats... that's abysmal.
In an 18 minute lomm run? Support running debuff artifacts, mounts, etc?
Agree in slower 22 minute lomm runs usually around 25%
If your saying in tomm? I'd love to see a screenshot or act logs of either tomm or 18 min lomm.
Breakdown of boss fights of a 18 min lomm.
Arctura si stacks are possible but one cc and all stacks lost. Situationally performance can be good or bad, pure luck.
While in a 2 phase boreworm as an example, you will have no si stack on 1st phase and possibly 1 si stack meaning max damage output is scaling from 45% to 65% of a wizards dmg output in second phase of that fight alone as it dies, extremely fast.
Same goes for last fight where only 2 or 3 si stacks capable and puppet dies immediately when 12 scorpions out and loose all stacks, final phase only capable of 2 to 3 si stacks if built up on towers and maintained/puppet survives before boss death on a fast burn group with dmg scaling from 45%of wizard scaling to 85% max as boss dies on final phase. The warlock mechanics are just bad.
Faster the burn of the group, less performance of warlock in group period. Run with 2 wizards and or arbiter in the group and the damage gap is even larger from buff synergy, along with support running debuff/buff artifacts, artifact sets, and leg mounts, which further increases the damage gap of burst dps. Warlocks just flat lack burst and dot magnitude of meta dps.
A warlock doing good dps in slow burn groups without group buff/debuffs, isn't running in endgame groups. Any good endgame non meta dps will perform well against slower, lower equipped, non bis, and less experienced players.