Paladin

tikamage

Wrecked Paladin, after wondering and checking, finally got back on my Paladin and first thing I noticed was that it was not a Paladin any more. the Skills have been Ruined and one even removed. How can I say that?? Well I searched all the Skills to find the build I had and to no avail could I find the skill that was part of the Best Build for a Paladin a Full Supporter Class. Now I understand why my friend Dan has not been on, we had a Great support team of Paladins and now they can't do anything right, and really makes me wonder the mentality of those Running the show, no not the Developers but those that seem to think just because they are paying the bills they can make things pitiful at best. Again am going to ask this Question, what are you going to do when the Money grab falls apart and there is no more Money for you to grab? The Game will fail there is no question with this kind of people running things. Balance is off on EVERY character which tells em that the people running things are out of balance. This is where the Game either gets fixed and put back to one of the Best Games in 2019 or a fall to one of the worst games, down there with Anthem. Fallout 76, and many other games with nothing to do in them and how can it be a Great Game when there is nothing to do, makes me think of people that Live no real life and have no real personality. This game is losing its personality and playability fast. If the Game wrecks any more of it then it won't be a game but a Model for a trash heap. Gamers out there Speak up and lets let these Money grabbers know that it's going to stop now and give this games personality back or one day very soon, of course if this is the end they have been pushing for for this game then it will come fast then they had anticipated I loved this game now its a Why do I even play it, there are better things out there that don't think of how bad they can make a game, yes I have many different games to play and well if this one gets any worse then I will have one less to play. and oh you the ones Running things won't have the money to wipe with.

havlocke

I main a Paladin as well. A Burnadin to be exact. Loved her. Best toon I ever played in any MMO in decades. And she's completely dead. Moving on.

You need to start from scratch. Stop comparing it to how it used to play. Because, to be completely honest, it was as OP as hell. Most people here would tell stories of how their Paladin was unkillable. Mine certainly was. This may be fun for us but its not really balanced.

A couple of suggestions I put up on some other thread

1) Learn to use the threat indicators. If you are tanking you should be keeping it pretty red.

2) Learn NOT TO SPAM HEALS. Just because it has no cooldown does not mean its free.

3) Circle of Power may seem like a weak choice but that divinity regen is pretty damn awesome. This game is now about give and take, not just spamming and DPS'ing your way thru all content.

4) Solo'ing is a pipe dream. The OP was a solo machine, but that is also dead. The Paladin's best place is in a group. This is going to be the biggest hurdle for us to get used to.

5) We need to learn our role. Which is now where we will do bugger all damage. This will also be another big hurdle for people to get used to. Our job is to tank or to heal. We do NOT have a dps spec. In fact, any damage we do should be purely incidental. This will suck. This does suck. But with our aura's and heals and/or armor, we will be loved regardless.

havlocke

Also, what money grab are you talking about? It looks like the same ones that have been in the game since inception. In terms of pure crass commercialism, this game was already near the top. And has been for years. Though, there are more than a few games that surpass it.

majorcharvenak

Agree with everything @havlocke mentioned except for #4. There are still areas you can solo. It just might take you a bit longer than it used to.

havlocke

majorcharvenak said:

Agree with everything @havlocke mentioned except for #4. There are still areas you can solo. It just might take you a bit longer than it used to.

That's good to know. Its still early days so I haven't gone to too many of my old haunts. I guess I must have just picked the wrong ones at the time. Good to know you can still do some stuff at least.

tikamage

Actually I think maybe just maybe, after all the time invested in creating and making that character a viable character sought after by good well rounded groups, for Support Heals and defense when needed, Be able to stand where no one else can and do things that make a group stay. Sometimes its just whats needed. Now with how it is most things fail and that's bad for a group, Barovia was fun and you can do a two person there with a good paladin. It's not just a healer and or not just a Defender is is both and stable, or it was so let see can they make it so can take all the armorings and put them on a brand new one to build fresh, no probably not. So can't justify ruining a good character just to waste all that time for someone elses idea of how this should be played, remember we are all different and have different Skill abilities they are trying to make EVERYONE the same so there is not any individual that might be better suited then the next, this is how our world was and was ruined by the same kind of people, and well after hearing the things I heard yesterday things are going to move forward and get better not backwards to some kind of stone age mess. We all have out good and bad points and how they are making things its messing with how the game is played.

havlocke

tikamage#2445 said:

Actually I think maybe just maybe, after all the time invested in creating and making that character a viable character sought after by good well rounded groups, for Support Heals and defense when needed, Be able to stand where no one else can and do things that make a group stay. Sometimes its just whats needed. Now with how it is most things fail and that's bad for a group, Barovia was fun and you can do a two person there with a good paladin. It's not just a healer and or not just a Defender is is both and stable, or it was so let see can they make it so can take all the armorings and put them on a brand new one to build fresh, no probably not. So can't justify ruining a good character just to waste all that time for someone elses idea of how this should be played, remember we are all different and have different Skill abilities they are trying to make EVERYONE the same so there is not any individual that might be better suited then the next, this is how our world was and was ruined by the same kind of people, and well after hearing the things I heard yesterday things are going to move forward and get better not backwards to some kind of stone age mess. We all have out good and bad points and how they are making things its messing with how the game is played.

I know everybody plays differently. I can understand that. But all these "individuals" have to understand that the old OP was just too good. It was never going to last - NOR SHOULD IT. As has been pointed out by a few people, the Paladin is playable. It's not "ruined". Its just not as good. I think its as good as any other class. And that's the way it should be.

soltasword

My OP was never that good. Being a casual player, meaning playing when I had the time and not spending loads of real money, none of my characters were ever that good. My OP died way more than most others when I started doing the intermediate dungeons and skirmishes with him. He was okay but that is all he was. But he is completely ruined from what he was from my stand point. He is the most useless class in this game now. I used him as a healing class before and did okay with him but now he can't heal to save himself let alone anyone else. I get that downscaling is broken really bad at the moment and that doesn't help this class but even if they had not done any of the downscaling, this class would still be useless. As is most if not all classes right now. At least from a casual players standpoint.

hared666

I have tried every feat, every class feature, every encounter, every at-will, and every daily. I cannot hold agro at all. On top of that, I am dying almost constantly. I hold up my shield, and it is kind of a waste of my finger energy. I use Sacred Weapon encounter with feat Sacred Shield, which is supposed to increase threat and restore stamina with every strike. I do not see that my stamina restores any faster. I use Smite encounter with class feature Divine Challenger, and none of the enemies even look at me. I use Vow of Enmity encounter and nothing even glances at me. I have red in the threat meter, but nothing turns, and everything still attacks the dps and healers. I have talked to other Paladins and Fighters in game and not a single one feel like anything is working. The divinity mechanic never speeds up even though I am using Class feature Composure and feat Divine Pursuit. I have retrained powers and slotted nothing in feats and change the class features to anything and nothing changes. I truly think that nothing is working for Paladin and will retire a toon that I got to lvl 80 and won't touch him until everything is fixed. It is sad that less than a week ago I could go into any dungeon, get and hold agro, and survive any hit. Now I can't get anything to look at me or survive any AoE with my shield up. I don't think that they ruined Paladin. I think they ruined the tank class with Paladin. I could try healer, but I made my Paladin to be a tank. I already have a way better healer with a Warlock. Maybe a Barbarian will make the best tank. Too bad none of them will ever try it because they all want to be dps.

soltasword

I went healing paladin after this update as that was what I was before. And boy is the paly the most useless healer in the game. Doing the dread legion skirmish, I was trying to heal my team mates and before update I could see their health meter move by a good measure and it didn't take using my at-will healing skill more than 3 or 4 times to heal someone. After update, that skill is less than useless. I could have used it on a team mate a hundred times in a row and not made a dent in their health nor mine for that matter. I never thought the paly was op even though it seems some did. But now it is just trash and they should just get rid of the class all together the way it is. If I do ever come back to play this game, this will be one class I won't play again. It is just worthless now.

schietindebux

Leveling my Pala alt through underdark, as dps not too bad, and somehow my AP refills constantly every 20 seconds! Daily spam, thy devs.. more every 10 seconds, only way to compesate the lack of dps.
Anyway Guardmeter does not refill several times, just stops and i have to face endbosses with dropped trouser, same as Divinity get depleted completely by using my tab, no way to think about that core mechanic.
Auras are so meaningless.. 2% deflectrate or crit? lol
Blessened wanderer +5% dps? why not 2% ? Aura of valor ?! no way. Class feature Composure does not change anything.

In the sum, all you can do is build your Pala as a pure dps to hold aggro, hope for bugs and don´t hink about aura, mechanic and most encounter, since a small buff that last for 8 seconds having a 23second cooldown is nothing I ever would slot in this life.

PS: HP Boon doesn´t seem to work. And please fix immolation spirits, it´s annoying somehow.
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hared666

Leveling my pali through undermountain was really easy. I can only hold agro for bosses, but now he dies so easily, no matter who the healer is. I went full defensive even over dps, but it doesn't help. I don't think that the pali should be gone in NW, but it needs to be completely reworked to make it useful. I have heard from Fighters that they have the same problem. They are going dps instead. It will be hard to find tanks unless they fix it for all tanks. But with most randoms still broken, it doesn't really matter.

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kharkov58

I want to know when will we get the 'Meaningful Feats' we were promised in exchange for removing most of the feats from the game. Justicar's Bulwark was the only feat I could bring myself to use, leaving 4 choices blank since I did not use the powers they were tied to.

tikamage

Well My Paladin is a Sort of viable Healer yet I seem to also get all the aggro to be the first to go, the Paladin is a OF character now not the Powerhouse it was.

hercules125

I have to agree. I played my paladin all the way to 80 on preview. There was absolutely nothing about the new class mechanics that were enjoyable. Nothing.

I've seen posts stating that you need to play more like a GF, to which I respond - if I wanted to play like a GF, I'd actually play that class.

My OP will now join several of my other alts as an invoke bot. Just not what I want to play anymore.

majorcharvenak

hared666#6453 said:

Leveling my pali through undermountain was really easy. I can only hold agro for bosses, but now he dies so easily, no matter who the healer is. I went full defensive even over dps, but it doesn't help. I don't think that the pali should be gone in NW, but it needs to be completely reworked to make it useful. I have heard from Fighters that they have the same problem. They are going dps instead. It will be hard to find tanks unless they fix it for all tanks. But with most randoms still broken, it doesn't really matter.

You might have the stamina bug that's been going around. Your stamina doesn't recover so you have nothing with which to block the incoming damage. Its been reported so hopefully the fix will prevent further losses.

raziel2004

Is paladin that bad? Did I play different game. Dps kinda suck but soloing seems ok. Running some dungeons also ok using oathkeeper.

majorcharvenak

raziel2004#7353 said:

Is paladin that bad? Did I play different game. Dps kinda suck but soloing seems ok. Running some dungeons also ok using oathkeeper.

Can only speak to my own experience with it but overall, I haven't had any problems with it. If your tank can keep aggro and your fellow players don't crave the red repeatedly, you should be golden. If you play as an Oathbreaker. The justies however...they have some legit complaints on the class' performance.