AFKers abusers, remove penalty please.

rabbit

Since this new mod and this new queue system on, its impossible to play. Every single random queue afkers stay on camp fire and just wait till all job done. U cant kick they, and acually u cant leave urself cuz of penalty. I guess 99% of all afkers simple abuse kick/penalty system, they just know u cant leave urself. Also mostly in low dungeon no desire to carry thro bots, wich stuck at the begining.

Ofc they all go in ignore list, but in next epic random dungeon u go with this ignored player again and guess what? Ofc he stay again on camp fire, cuz he know he cant be kicked and u cant leave urself.
Game cuz of that very annoying, lot of time got wasted only carry and fight with afkers.
Please remove penalty.

greywynd

Ran a Cloak Tower with a guy that was training his bot. When I pointed out the alt was a bad bot it promptly disappeared and then the "other" guy commented, "Who is a bot?"

demonmonger

> @fatrabbitfart said:
> Since this new mod and this new queue system on, its impossible to play. Every single random queue afkers stay on camp fire and just wait till all job done. U cant kick they, and acually u cant leave urself cuz of penalty. I guess 99% of all afkers simple abuse kick/penalty system, they just know u cant leave urself. Also mostly in low dungeon no desire to carry thro bots, wich stuck at the begining.
>
> Ofc they all go in ignore list, but in next epic random dungeon u go with this ignored player again and guess what? Ofc he stay again on camp fire, cuz he know he cant be kicked and u cant leave urself.
> Game cuz of that very annoying, lot of time got wasted only carry and fight with afkers.
> Please remove penalty.

I afk much because I know it's safe

namelesshero347

Very annoying with the shorter instances where you can get to the end before you are able to kick. The solution is to not to trigger the boss until you kick.

I also make a note of the afker (note the account, not toon name). Next time I end up in a run with them, I till everyone why before I leave. And that they can also leave after I go. I have alts, so I have no problem with leaving.

ultimatefgt123

Massive increase in Bots, especially on low level dungeons, I now no longer run those dungeons on random due to this.

rabbit

I dont have alts, to quit and go with other. So actually devs force us to play and carry bots, and what about ignored players? I dont want play with some1 who in my ignore list, what I susppose to do with that? B4 I would simple quit and queue again, so now I have take tactic of afkers and wait till they kick me, ohh yea that game is fuun.
Taking breake from game till this nonsense got changed.

armadeonx

@asterdahl said he was going to consider reducing the kick counter to 5 mins and recommended reporting afk's etc as abusers.

adinosii

With a bit of luck, some of the AFKers will end up in a group with 2 other AFKers and stay there for a long time

Yet another reason not to run with a random group. Organize a party or run with guildies - problem solved.

rabbit

adinosii said:

With a bit of luck, some of the AFKers will end up in a group with 2 other AFKers and stay there for a long time

Yet another reason not to run with a random group. Organize a party or run with guildies - problem solved.

For players like I this is not solution, I dont have guild and no desire to join, and since the begining I play solo, for what they make this random than, if still cuz of bots and afkers u need to make group?

greywynd

Probably has something to do with the "multiplayer" part of MMO...

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asterotg

Well, I did get insulted for starting a vote kick against an AFK player. Smart AFK players que in bulk, so you cant kick them.

These ppl que with 2-3 players on 1k-6k IL alts running random skirmishes etc for RAD. If you cant leave and que up with another char yourself, you are screwed. This is a serious flaw of the system. FORCING ppl, to run with randoms and PENALIZING you for leaving them.

Yes, you could run random ques full premade, but this would contradict the random que idea and the logical conclusion would be, to get rid of random que at all. I know, that this is not going to happen and, until some reasonable changes, it will go like this (at last for me):

Que premade, all is well and dandy.
Que semipremade and carry these leechers.
Que alone and leave, if you know, that you cant carry them.
Que alone and carry them, brushing up on my inside knowledge about current English insults (me complaining about AFK players and leechers and them insulting me in the most colorful ways, at last they wont kick me, bc someone has to clear the dungeon).

IMO this is no elitist BS blowing up one or two incidents about ppl abusing the system, but a regular occurrence. I dont have a problem, if I run random epic dungeons and I am paingiver with my DC and have to solo Orcus, bc my party is undergeared and inexperienced, if they give their best. What I do hate are leechers, AFK players and players who did slap the worst BS on their chars, to get above min IL and complain about everyone else being bad players.

Maybe one of these min IL players could explain the reasoning behind insulting other players, when they solo the boss instead of resetting and wasting even more time watching them fail again and again. Dont get me wrong in a group with random players most of them are thankful, but some times there are players spending their time at the respawn point hurling insults at me for either taking to much time or not resetting (both happened multiple times).

dionchi

There are similar discussions in other threads about people being AFK then running in to collect the chests at the end, or players running ahead and leaving the rest of their party behind...

I offered what I thought to be a simple solution (although I have no idea what kind of programming effort it would take). At several points along the way in most areas there are gates or other barriers that need to be opened for the party to progress.

Make it so that everyone in the party must assemble at those barriers before the barrier can be opened and the party is allowed to progress, just like the "your party is waiting for you" at the boss level gate.

Anyone who hasn't progressed from the assembly point to the next barrier, or the first barrier to the second, can then be voted out (after a specified time) if that is the majority party member's choice - no penalty.

Something else that just recently came to mind is make those gates so that the same person can't open two of them consecutively. When one player opens one of those transition gates, a different player needs to open the next gate and possibly the third player has to open the next subsequent gate...

That last one would definitely solve the problem of players rushing ahead of the rest of the party and the former one would I think take care of players queuing for something then just walking away from the keyboard.

Just a thought ~

rannxeroxx

Truthfully I don't mind if someone runs ahead as long as they kill everything in front of them and don't grip about slower toons. The rushers who run past mobs so that low levels are stuck back fighting them all just suck. I am just doing these runs for the AD, the faster the better so if you can make them faster, fine with me but I might be picking junk up on the way so take a chill pill at the gate.

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santralafax

spunkmeier said:

play characters with speed powers, and get some better gear.

Everyone needs top notch equipment to do Cloak Tower. Amazing you can speed through it!

I do epic dungeons and Tier3 dungeons that I like and to get better gear. Occasionally, if I really need the AD, I'll also do a "regular" dungeon, but they are just not fun for me. I usually go slow and help the lowbies out.

callumf

[ahhh I had a toon leave th edungeon and go to PE for abotu five mins the other day as well. I was like wtf? I tried to kick and was messaging him/her with no response - yes could be non-englissh yada yada - I thought it was just bloody rude being honest.]

therealprotex

Hmm, since the introduction of random queues I ran one random normal dungeon and one random skirmish every day on each of my seven chars, almost always in pugs. Not once did I see an afk'er. Maybe once or twice a bot, but never someone who waited at the campfire until it is over. I do not say that you did not experience what you said you did, but I wonder if maybe you are "only" having bad luck with your pugs and afk'ers are not that much of a problem as you state here...? (On the other hand, I know, my sample rate is as small as yours, so I might "only" be lucky, too.)

A solution could be that penalties and kicks are removed completly from random NORMAL (and random skirmish?) queues. If anything happens that you do not like, leave and queue again. The other two will most likely be able to finish the dungeon without you (and the missing spot is filled up anyway). And noone will leave actually because he does not like the random dungeon, as even the longest does not take ten minutes to finish. And if the devs finally fix the "You kill me too fast, I do not play with you any longer!"-bug for the boss in normal SP, there is no reason anymore to leave that dungeon either.

jonkoca

Just remove the "your party is waiting" bit. That way I can solo the final boss and leave, and the leechers can run through an empty dungeon, without me having to wait for their lazy behinds.

reg1981

Are these people actually AFK or have they changed characters and moved on?

jonkoca

Nah, they're afk. A lot of time I get to the final boss, hit the party circle, and only then they start moving.

dafrca

jonkoca said:

Nah, they're afk. A lot of time I get to the final boss, hit the party circle, and only then they start moving.

I guess I have been very lucky. I have never experienced this yet. Lots of Speed Runners and lots of new folks going slow, but I agree if this is happening a lot it is a problem.

namelesshero347

Or if you are in an arena-type skirmish, the afkers just stand in the middle and move only when the skirmish is done.

santralafax

I'm among those who haven't seen it, and happy to be so!

dafrca

Just had a thought, is the AFKers a bigger issue in the Epic Dungeons rather than the Leveling Dungeons? Or for those seeing this is it about the same volume?

namelesshero347

I haven't done LEQ since I tried it day one. But I don't know why anyone would afk in a leveling dungeon. You have to get to the end. Lvl 70 can be a HAMSTER and run to the end and not kill anything. Less than 70, afk means possibly getting stranded. The only reason I can think of is some low lvl guy got stranded by runners and decided to take revenge by afk.

I think afk happens more in the easier ERQ skrimishes. Some can be done before the kick timer expires, so it's low risk to afk. Anything that requires more effort and time means afk will be dealt with when the timer goes off.

I've been doing Tiamat lately. I see a number of sneaky people go off to a corner to afk because doing it in camp is too obvious. It's usually harder to kick since many people are nice and give the benefit of the doubt. I usually point them out in chat, and start the kick 10 seconds later to give people a chance to see.

callumf

Someone suggested it above - make it mandatory that the toon has to be active otherwise it gets kicked. Inactivity in a dungeon to trigger an auto kick should be two minutes or something

asterotg

dafrca#4810 said:

Just had a thought, is the AFKers a bigger issue in the Epic Dungeons rather than the Leveling Dungeons? Or for those seeing this is it about the same volume?

I have seen most of them in skirmishes and maybe ESOT (now epic dungeon). Thing is, most epic dungeons are long enough, that the other players can kick you.

callumf

asterotg said:

dafrca#4810 said:

Just had a thought, is the AFKers a bigger issue in the Epic Dungeons rather than the Leveling Dungeons? Or for those seeing this is it about the same volume?

I have seen most of them in skirmishes and maybe ESOT (now epic dungeon). Thing is, most epic dungeons are long enough, that the other players can kick you.

But with low item level toons can you even get to the end boss with only four toons? I have been in groups who struggle with relatively easy Epic Dungeons with a full posse!

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rabbit

asterotg said:

dafrca#4810 said:

Just had a thought, is the AFKers a bigger issue in the Epic Dungeons rather than the Leveling Dungeons? Or for those seeing this is it about the same volume?

I have seen most of them in skirmishes and maybe ESOT (now epic dungeon). Thing is, most epic dungeons are long enough, that the other players can kick you.

Master of the Hunt #1 with afkers, than go ESOT, Kessel, Tiamat, Ndemo/Edemo, Nsva/Msva they go in party circle, let mobs kill him and stay like that (dead) till match ends, cuz anyway win or lose daily epic trial done. Very often IG, there u need only stay a bit on the side party circle and 4 players transform to arena except one.
I guess players with 20+ alts just bored making that stuff every day so they do anything else but not play while others work for they.