Dungeons& Skirmishes Score Board does not encourage Teamwork

harmjustice

Damage done,Damage Taken,Healing Done

=this does not encourage teamwork, it encourages competition.

=for example when doing underdark skirmishes
-score should/could reflect who actual hitting proper gates/misses-+them-or closes portals vs, hogging easy damage --from low mobs,whilst leaving others left to defend priest or close portals. which tho they are actually helping more, get a lower score in your current system.

-in dungeons you get dps classes and healers running ahead to get highest score in dps and in turn gives them most damage taken and highest healing because of life-steal etc., thus they get top score but did nothing to help the team. And in turn they get better loot, so this does not encourage teamwork.

Will you find a way to reward people who try to work as a team instead of encouraging and rewarding bad players?

ecrana

And yet it's only a scoreboard that means absolutely nothing to many people and even less to the rewards you receive. Teamwork is encouraged by playing with people that are interested in playing as a team.

plasticbat

1. Why do you care about the score board? It gives you nothing extra. There is no material reward.
2. With or without out the scoreboard is indifference to the teamwork because people will still run ahead so that the "team" can finish the quest faster.
3. Even if they run ahead, unless they mess up, die, trigger unnecessary aggro, etc, why would they hurt the teamwork?
4. So, they run ahead and kill everything without me. I would say perfect. The team success.
5. What better loot? Many times, the player who "scored" the least got +5 rings.

majorcharvenak

Sounds like someone PUGs. You want teamwork - run with guild members, friends, alliance mates or pre-mades. PUGs are hit and miss and like others have stated, the scoreboard gives nothing to the party at the end of the run. Changing it to something more team-focused or friendly wont stop folks from trying to god-run a dungeon or skirmish, or speed-run it with their alts.

safespacecadet

Not everyone pays attention to the scoreboards. However, in reality, the majority of the time, the player-character who does the most damage is the one with the highest item level. Although class, build, and powers used factor in to the equation. There really is no reason to have scoreboards in an mmorpg other than to give people a silly reason to feel prideful and brag. Who cares about the titles? They're so easy to get in this game, they don't mean anything. Not to me anyway.

preechr

I'd like to add scores for Damage and Mitigation due to buffs/debuffs... Topping the paingiver chart doesn't mean you are awesome, it means your team is awesome

ecrana

safespacecadet#3341 said:

There really is no reason to have scoreboards in an mmorpg other than to give people a silly reason to feel prideful and brag.

I'll play devils advocate and say that the scoreboard is slightly helpful on consoles because it's the only way we can get a quick read on how much DPS our toons are doing. Accurate? No. But we don't have the tools PC guys do.

I still think the scoreboard causes more issues than it solves. It promotes elitism for sure.

safespacecadet

ecrana#2080 said:

safespacecadet#3341 said:

There really is no reason to have scoreboards in an mmorpg other than to give people a silly reason to feel prideful and brag.

I'll play devils advocate and say that the scoreboard is slightly helpful on consoles because it's the only way we can get a quick read on how much DPS our toons are doing. Accurate? No. But we don't have the tools PC guys do.

I still think the scoreboard causes more issues than it solves. It promotes elitism for sure.

I suppose. I don't really care how much dps my characters are doing. All I care about is completing the dungeon or skirmish, without dying if I can manage it.

EDIT: Oh, most of all, I care about having fun doing whatever I'm doing. After all this is a game. MMORPGs are games. Hopefully meant to be fun, enjoyable, and immersive. A hobby in which we can escape reality and the cares of this world for a time. Not meant as a substitute for real life or something from which to derive self-esteem or value as a human being.

plasticbat

ecrana#2080 said:

safespacecadet#3341 said:

There really is no reason to have scoreboards in an mmorpg other than to give people a silly reason to feel prideful and brag.

I'll play devils advocate and say that the scoreboard is slightly helpful on consoles because it's the only way we can get a quick read on how much DPS our toons are doing. Accurate? No. But we don't have the tools PC guys do.

I still think the scoreboard causes more issues than it solves. It promotes elitism for sure.

If one wants to use it as self benchmark, I don't see they do anything wrong.
I also don't see people want to be elite neither.
I personally do not see the scoreboard makes the difference regarding "teamwork".
It is always up to the person if one wants to behave certain way and not the existence of the scoreboard.

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plasticbat

harmjustice said:

It's funny how some of you say scores don't affect drops, how do you know, are you a script-er?. I want proof. I would like a response from a dev' but that probably wont happen.
Many times I have seen better drops when I got better scores and lesser drops from lower scores.

Well, how do you know it affects drop? What is your proof? Okay, you have your experience. Well, I have mine. My experience is it does not matter (except certain area but that does not have a scoreboard). Many times, I did well and got nothing. Many times, I did bad and got good stuff. Many times, the people who tag along (as need to carry them) got great stuff. Of course, it is just some past experience and not scientific at all but many times, I was wondering if dev is playing a joke to us.

I guess you can ask those who always hit the highest score if they always get good stuff.

wintersmoke

plasticbat said:

harmjustice said:

It's funny how some of you say scores don't affect drops, how do you know, are you a script-er?. I want proof. I would like a response from a dev' but that probably wont happen.
Many times I have seen better drops when I got better scores and lesser drops from lower scores.

Well, how do you know it affects drop? What is your proof? Okay, you have your experience. Well, I have mine. My experience is it does not matter (except certain area but that does not have a scoreboard). Many times, I did well and got nothing. Many times, I did bad and got good stuff. Many times, the people who tag along (as need to carry them) got great stuff. Of course, it is just some past experience and not scientific at all but many times, I was wondering if dev is playing a joke to us.

I guess you can ask those who always hit the highest score if they always get good stuff.

Several players have posted that they rarely saw decent drops, until they bit the bullet & bought their way up to BIS. Anecdotal evidence, yes. But it does fit in with MY personal experience.

namelesshero347

Doubt the scoreboard affects drops. I've gotten pretty good stuff after just popping into a boss fight. Surely I am not the best anything on the score board, if I am even on it at all after just the boss fight.

I don't mind people running ahead. But my rule is if they run a head, then don't HAMSTER die and go ping, ping, ping for rez because I won't rez or heal them. They can walk back from the last spawn point as a lesson. And I will most likely leave if it was a tank, or healer paired with weak tank, that runs up just to die from one trash mob hit.

safespacecadet

Idk, I got a 450 IL drop from VT the first time I completed VT with my 13k+ GF. I didn't do epic dungeons much for a long time because of my experience with them during mod 6. My 14k guild leader got a 450 IL drop from MC after he joined me to complete the dungeon. (Because I had read somewhere that people were soloing MC, I decided to try it for fun. Beat Malabog on my own without dying once. But since I didn't know how to deal with Valindra during the fight with the dragon on my own at the time, I decided to invite my guild leader to help me finish it. Apparently, you just need a companion that can do enough damage to free you from Valindra when you get grabbed. However, I use a legendary augment companion on my GF.)

plasticbat

wintersmoke said:

plasticbat said:

harmjustice said:

It's funny how some of you say scores don't affect drops, how do you know, are you a script-er?. I want proof. I would like a response from a dev' but that probably wont happen.
Many times I have seen better drops when I got better scores and lesser drops from lower scores.

Well, how do you know it affects drop? What is your proof? Okay, you have your experience. Well, I have mine. My experience is it does not matter (except certain area but that does not have a scoreboard). Many times, I did well and got nothing. Many times, I did bad and got good stuff. Many times, the people who tag along (as need to carry them) got great stuff. Of course, it is just some past experience and not scientific at all but many times, I was wondering if dev is playing a joke to us.

I guess you can ask those who always hit the highest score if they always get good stuff.

Several players have posted that they rarely saw decent drops, until they bit the bullet & bought their way up to BIS. Anecdotal evidence, yes. But it does fit in with MY personal experience.

Need better gear, may be. Need BiS, may be. Lead the scoreboard, not necessary. The one, a DC, who got a 1 million AD pet I ran with last night did not lead the scoreboard, not in top 3 anyway. The rest of us, +1 and +2 rings.