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SKT - time to make it easier to complete boons?

callumf#9018 callumf Member Posts: 1,710 Arc User
Time to increase the Secrets of Ostaria from 3 per day up to 6 for Defending the Dale and maybe give 1 per daily? Weeklies could give 12 Secrets?

That would certainly help the log jam with the new module coming up.

Also giving out maybe 100 Voninblood per daily and 1000 per weekly would help.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    Not quite yet. Have another mod or two to go before they start discounting. Keep in mind they already increased the voninblod per relic turn in and they just gave us the doohickey that improves our Everfrost Resistance by 30%.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • gabrieldourdengabrieldourden Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    Honestly my main concern on SKT boons are not Vonin and Secrets. It's 800 reputation that takes forever...
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    Not really. Do Defending the Dale, Readying for Invasion, and the weeklies.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    Working on character 6 now and the real grind doesn't start until boons 6 and 7. Beyond the number of secrets required, all the campaign tasks should be done so there are no other goals, milestones to break up the monotony of dailies.
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  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Not really. Do Defending the Dale, Readying for Invasion, and the weeklies.

    i.e. spend an hour a day for garbage boons that don't really matter.

    Really they need to add more catch up mechanisms for everything but the newest campaign. Just the idea of having to start a toon from scratch seems so staggering I can't imagine new players not skipping some campaigns. The fact they're locking dungeons behind month long grinds every mod now makes it even worse.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    *shrug* If it takes you an hour you're doing it wrong. Defending requires 1 quest in Bryn/LW/CR. Only SoMI requires you to do 3. Takes about half an hour.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    greywynd said:

    *shrug* If it takes you an hour you're doing it wrong. Defending requires 1 quest in Bryn/LW/CR. Only SoMI requires you to do 3. Takes about half an hour.

    Somi by itself takes half an hour (longer depending on quests, your class and ilvl). SKT only takes less time if you've stacked quests and depending on which quests you can waste even more time. Then you have to spend time farming voninblod itself and if you're not getting the trowel/armor it takes even longer (I'd consider the 400k+ AD even more wasted time). Maybe an hour is a bit hyperbolic but it's way to much time relative to the reward. The last few boons are basically masturbatory ilvl padding.
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  • dupeksdupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    *shrug* If it takes you an hour you're doing it wrong. Defending requires 1 quest in Bryn/LW/CR. Only SoMI requires you to do 3. Takes about half an hour.

    It _DRAMATICALLY_ depends on your class and gear. Loadouts are a godsend for support classes, but no way my BiS solo-loadout DC can complete SoMi even half as fast as my respectably less-geared GWF.

    With the 3 SKT zones, you can help alleviate some of this by picking up quests daily and doing them all on the weekend, then only dropping by each day to turn in 1 quest per zone and pick up any new ones. You "burn" a week at the beginning, but it makes the SKT zones relatively efficient to complete.

    With SoMI, they force you to do 3 quests a day. You can't bundle and batch like the SKT zones. But if you burn a day and pick up 3 quests without doing them, you can at least have some wiggle room in picking closer / overlapping quests for the remainder of the week. Not ideal, but better than forcing the 3 quests you happen to get that day.

    As someone who has taken 1 dps and 3 support toons through SKT and SoMI, I have a hard time imagining wanting to do it with another character until they make it a little easier to catch up.
  • wintersmokewintersmoke Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Not quite yet. Have another mod or two to go before they start discounting. Keep in mind they already increased the voninblod per relic turn in and they just gave us the doohickey that improves our Everfrost Resistance by 30%.

    greywynd said:

    Not quite yet. Have another mod or two to go before they start discounting. Keep in mind they already increased the voninblod per relic turn in and they just gave us the doohickey that improves our Everfrost Resistance by 30%.

    Ohh.... where?

  • kharkov58kharkov58 Member Posts: 669 Arc User
    Why would they make this campaign easier, when the last two boons in Tyranny of Dragons still take 80 Linu's favors to complete.
  • lantern22lantern22 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,111 Arc User
    kharkov58 said:

    Why would they make this campaign easier, when the last two boons in Tyranny of Dragons still take 80 Linu's favors to complete.

    Two "wrongs", don't make a "Right".
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    kharkov58 said:

    Why would they make this campaign easier, when the last two boons in Tyranny of Dragons still take 80 Linu's favors to complete.

    I mean technically they made it so that you can queue for Tiamat at any time and they run 2x ToD currency events. I'd say getting 80 linus has better rewards and is more fun than finishing SKT dailies too.
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  • dread4moordread4moor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    I'd like an increase in voninblood reward for quests and the extra "drop quests".
    I would replay quests and content just for fun if it gave more then 50 voninblood for 5 min work.
    Yes. Yes, we all know about farming voninblood. But that is a chore, not fun.
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  • gabrieldourdengabrieldourden Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    > @urabask said:
    > Why would they make this campaign easier, when the last two boons in Tyranny of Dragons still take 80 Linu's favors to complete.
    >
    > I mean technically they made it so that you can queue for Tiamat at any time and they run 2x ToD currency events. I'd say getting 80 linus has better rewards and is more fun than finishing SKT dailies too.

    And you can also buy Linu's with ad (buy a stack of coffers at 30k and donate it to Elminster's cart).
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    urabask said:


    Somi by itself takes half an hour (longer depending on quests, your class and ilvl). SKT only takes less time if you've stacked quests and depending on which quests you can waste even more time. Then you have to spend time farming voninblod itself and if you're not getting the trowel/armor it takes even longer (I'd consider the 400k+ AD even more wasted time). Maybe an hour is a bit hyperbolic but it's way to much time relative to the reward. The last few boons are basically masturbatory ilvl padding.

    I don't stack quests to do later. I go in Bryn, see what is offered, pick one and do it. Same in Lonelywood and Cold Run. About 5 minutes in each area.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • zeroscarlett#9233 zeroscarlett Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    They should put in someone who takes genie's gifts for reputation and voninblood. Oooh I'd gladly throw cash to never see stk again.
  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    Just put an accountwide campaign unlock in the zen shop that u can only use after u finished the campaign on 1 char
  • arcanjo86arcanjo86 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,093 Arc User
    skt dailies after u unlocked lw and cd, basicly get all quest all week from all 3 areas, once the npcs dont give quest start doing all of them on same day, and only return the 1 of each area for daily, next day u just have to pick daily quest and return 1 on each area, if quest from npc are available pick them again again until you get to a day when u pick daily quest and you dont have quests to complete it means u have another stack of quests to do on all areas, its a repeat circle, about somi, im basicly doing weekly quest only, im not wasting much time doing dailies in boat movement map so time consuming since rng drop for epic boat is so bad on my account, somi is only worth my time if im farming maps in a bottle and doing the weekly. fpor VB u have relics or rd dock merchant, and dock merchant sells runic keys for Fbi.
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  • dread4moordread4moor Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    > @zeroscarlett#9233 said:
    > They should put in someone who takes genie's gifts for reputation and voninblood. Oooh I'd gladly throw cash to never see stk again.

    Absolutely.

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1228356/genies-gift-token-expansion
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    tom#6998 said:

    Just put an accountwide campaign unlock in the zen shop that u can only use after u finished the campaign on 1 char

    Why would they do that when all the other completion tokens are only good for one character?
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    tom#6998 said:

    Just put an accountwide campaign unlock in the zen shop that u can only use after u finished the campaign on 1 char

    Why would they do that when all the other completion tokens are only good for one character?
    Because we're getting to the point that there are too many campaigns for that to be reasonable anymore.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    urabask said:



    Because we're getting to the point that there are too many campaigns for that to be reasonable anymore.

    And I am sure the people taking the players' money for those tokens don't see it that way. Your mileage may vary.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    urabask said:



    Because we're getting to the point that there are too many campaigns for that to be reasonable anymore.

    And I am sure the people taking the players' money for those tokens don't see it that way. Your mileage may vary.
    It's probably the least bought item in their entire store. Cryptic needs to do a pass on the entire zen market to add value to items that no one buys and campaign tokens should be at the top of that list.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    I am sure they have a much better idea of what sells and what doesn't.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    greywynd said:

    I am sure they have a much better idea of what sells and what doesn't.

    You are seriously overestimating the competency with which PWE and Cryptic manage the monetization of their games.

    If they did they wouldn't have had unmitigated disasters like module 6. Hell, with Blacklight PWE handled the monetization so terribly that the conversion rate for free to paying customers was 1%.
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  • greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,158 Arc User
    No. All I'm saying is that they just have to look at a printout of items sold in any given period from the zen market. It isn't rocket science.
    I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    greywynd said:

    No. All I'm saying is that they just have to look at a printout of items sold in any given period from the zen market. It isn't rocket science.

    And? The last time they changed anything was years ago. The only thing remotely related to the zen market that gets updated are lockboxes. There's no way that there isn't room for improvement; they just don't have the resources or expertise needed to actually improve the zen market.
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  • callumf#9018 callumf Member Posts: 1,710 Arc User
    I did some testing and SOMI takes at least 30 minutes and Bryn/CR/Lonelywood takes a good 15 minutes and add on 15 minutes for relic farming [you can probably get a relic every minute on average with luck]. So its an hour minimum per day.
  • fizgigtiznalkie#4436 fizgigtiznalkie Member Posts: 372 Arc User
    SOMI can take 5 minutes or half an hour. If you have dragon bone slivers, totems and the southwest beacons you can do it quickly. If you have lodestones, fishing, and the kill trolls/rescue elk tribe, it can take a lot longer. If you're a 2k cleric soloing, double or triple that time.
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