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Rewards for Level 70 Overflow Levels = INSULTING!!

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    greywyndgreywynd Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 7,120 Arc User
    Why should they raise the chances of a Power Point? They made it possible to get one whenever you want in Sharandar.
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    wylonuswylonus Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,376 Arc User
    No! it cost 15k ADs to get 1 PP from Sharandar.
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    pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    You earn unbound green thaum stones with a combined value worth far more than that while getting the currency for the task. 30 stones sell for far more than the task costs.
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    safespacecadet#3341 safespacecadet Member Posts: 374 Arc User
    greywynd said:

    Why should they raise the chances of a Power Point? They made it possible to get one whenever you want in Sharandar.

    Wow, I did not know that. That was a good idea. I hate Sharandar, but, yay anyway.

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    trinity706#8838 trinity706 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    There's a player on this end that has noted 179 overflow XP rewards and gets a power point 28.49% of the time (has screenshots of them all) and needs about 3 more to have all powers at rank 4. Will be interesting to see what happens when all power points are obtained (more than likely will be removed from the reward table).

    Out of 179 XP overflow rewards:
    Sharandar Power Points.......... 0
    Power Point............................ 28.49%
    Rough AD............................... 8.94%
    XP Tomes............................... 17.32%
    Black Opal.............................. 15.64%
    Flawless Sapphire................... 29.05%
    Enchantments......................... 25.14%
    *Rank 5 Enchantments............ (91%)
    *Rank 6 Enchantments............ (9%)

    Multiple Rewards.................... 28.49% (Power Point + something else, have yet to see different combinations)
    Single Reward......................... 70.95% (XP Tomes counted as a single reward)

    Got 2 Power Points in a row six different times
    Got 3 Power Points in a row once
    Got 4 Power Points in a row twice (two different times)

    Power Point frequency dropped significantly as of November 2016
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    evilsquirrel03evilsquirrel03 Member Posts: 36 Arc User

    Will be interesting to see what happens when all power points are obtained (more than likely will be removed from the reward table).

    Currently sitting at 126 Power Points. You need 124 to max out all of your skills. You basically continue to accumulate them and get that helm icon at the top of your screen telling you that you perpetually have something to do. Who knows...maybe in the future they'll provide us with more skills.
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    wylonuswylonus Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,376 Arc User
    03, you mean like STO's expanding skill choices?
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    plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,317 Arc User



    Got 3 Power Points in a row once
    Got 4 Power Points in a row twice

    Technically, that implies it got 3 Power Points in a row 5 times. ;)
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    trgluestickztrgluestickz Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    lance1967 said:

    When I still have several powers to unlock, and you give me a SINGLE Flawless Sapphire (5k refining pts) for making another whole level after 70 really ticks me off! Those are a dime-a-dozen from random mob kills with my Dragon's Hoard Enchantment!

    At least give people a 100% power point drop until they unlock all their powers. If you're giving out other rewards for making "another level", then make it unique or worth it. Here's your chance to say "thanks for continuing to play NWO and all the relentless grinding you do". A single flawless sapphire is...insulting.

    I am a very active player and have spent most of my time on my current main character since the first week of mod 6. I still have a few powers that are greyed out because I don't have the power points to spare for them and several powers that are still rank 3. I get 1 power point on average once in roughly 7 through 10 bar fills, the only other remotely valuble thing I have seen from overflow rewards is 30k rough AD, everything else is junk.

    The overflow power points were introduced in mod 6 if I'm not mistaken. Back then, their rarity made more sense as they were a newly introduced reward. Now that it has been so many mods since these power points were introduced, they should be made a much more common drop.

    As for the other rewards, I don't want to see anymore green xp books, green companion xp books, rank 5's, rank 6's or anything else like that as a stand alone prize. The refinement stuff would be more appriciated if it was included alongside other much better rewards instead of potentially being the only drop.

    This is my sugestion on what the overflow XP loot table should be upgraded to:

    The drop rate for power points should be changed to a 75% chance to drop up from 25%. After all of your powers on that character are rank 4, no more power points should drop. When you receive a power point, there is a 40% chance you will only receive the power point and no other rewards alongside it. 

    The other following droprates apply for the 60% of the time you get other prizes included with your power point, the 25% of the time you do not get a power point, and for those who have all of their powers at rank 4:

    There should be a 100% chance to drop a single companion upgrade token and a 50% chance to drop 2 companion upgrade tokens. This prize would be included alongside other potential drops.

    All green XP books should be replaced with between 1 and 3 greater companion experiance treatise. 50% chance to get 3, 75% chance to get 2, and 100% chance to get 1. This prize is included alongside other potential drops.

    All rank 5's and 6's should be replaced with a 100% chance to get at least 1 rank 7 enchantment and a 50% chance to get 3 rank 7 enchantments instead of 1.

    There should be a 30% chance for you to get a rank 8 runestone in place of one of your rank 7 enchantments.

    There should be a 15% chance for you to get 1 rank 8 enchantment instead of any rank 7 enchantments.

    30,000 rough AD should have a 25% chance to drop instead of any rank 7 enchantments.

    You also have a 90% chance of getting one of the following sets of refinement items alongside other potential drops:

    1 black opal + 1 flawless saphire

    1 black opal

    1 flawless saphire

    5 aquamarine

    3 aquamarine

    5 peridots

    1 blue mark of power, 1 blue mark of union, and 1 blue mark of stability

    3 blue marks of potency
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    trgluestickztrgluestickz Member Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited April 2017

    Heck no, I love experience books. And rank 5 enchantments are the best. If you think it's so awful, go play some other crappy game. Getting power points is a lot easier than it was in the past (post Mod 6), but some people are never happy. Give em an inch, they want a mile.

    You know, if you really want rank 5's that badly, they drop like candy from all 70-73 mobs not to mention numerous other places. Rank 5's are not completly useless but I don't think they are appropriate at all as a stand alone overflow reward, same for rank 6's. Rank 7's would be a much more up to date overflow reward.

    As for xp books, they should be replaced with higher ranking ones. The green ones are barely worth opening.

    The green companion experiance books should be replaced with greater companion experiance treatise.
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    pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    Overflow XP rewards were added in mod 3, back when the level cap was 60 and powers were capped at 3 points each. The AD reward at that time was IIRC 5k and I don't remember other possibilities as they didn't matter.

    That said, I've always considered them as a bonus not an entitlement. Only the tomes are worthless and an annoyance. The Companion ones barely even rank up a pet, much easier to run dailies with it summoned. Then there is the fact that they can't be discarded ir even vendored for gold.

    Everything else is just a bonus - something you got as a reward for doing activities that you would be doing anyway. If you want power points, do the quests in Sharandar. Sell the green thaums and you will easily pay for the AD cost of the point.
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    jganthjganth Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    Economies to scale - a Rank 5 enchantment reward today with current game is like getting a free stick of gum. Time to update and scale rewards to today's metrics, not Mod 5's.
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    trinity706#8838 trinity706 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited April 2017

    Technically, that implies it got 3 Power Points in a row 5 times. ;)

    Unfortunately not seeing that logic here...

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    plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,317 Arc User

    Technically, that implies it got 3 Power Points in a row 5 times. ;)

    Unfortunately not seeing that logic here...

    One 4 in a row means two 3 in a row happened at the same time.
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    trinity706#8838 trinity706 Member Posts: 853 Arc User

    Technically, that implies it got 3 Power Points in a row 5 times. ;)

    Unfortunately not seeing that logic here...

    One 4 in a row means two 3 in a row happened at the same time.
    You do know that those are separate occurrences correct?

    . . . PP PP PP . . . . . . PP PP PP PP . . . . . . . PP PP PP PP . . . .
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    silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    edited April 2017
    What the.. I have earned.. say up to 100 power points on 8 toons..
    Ive never.. not once had back to back power points.. Never.. not since the start of it.. Frankly I dont know what to say about your charting system..

    Regardless. I dont care really.. at around 80-90, almost all classes maximize most of their useful skills, while a few classes, maximize their useful skills around 100 or so.. they could however.. drop the r5s.. out of the loot table as a win.

    i just get one once in awhile and spend it.
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    beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User

    There's a player on this end that has noted 179 overflow XP rewards and gets a power point 28.49% of the time (has screenshots of them all)

    My sample size of 638 worked out to a power point dropping pretty much bang on 25% of the time.
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    trinity706#8838 trinity706 Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited April 2017

    What the.. I have earned.. say up to 100 power points on 8 toons..
    Ive never.. not once had back to back power points.. Never.. not since the start of it.. Frankly I dont know what to say about your charting system..

    Regardless. I dont care really.. at around 80-90, almost all classes maximize most of their useful skills, while a few classes, maximize their useful skills around 100 or so..

    Assuming you are referring to


    . . . PP PP PP . . . . . . PP PP PP PP . . . . . . . PP PP PP PP . . . .

    It simply depicts how the PP's in a row occurred to show @plasticbat what was going on instead of what they presented.

    There currently is a total of 6 back-to-back PP rewards though those were not noted in the post because 3 and 4 PP's in a row were assumed to be less common (one double occurred between the 3 in a row and the first 4 in a row and actually the first two rewards were power points). Will edit it in though.

    Some players want all skills maxed on their character(s) regardless of whether they will use all the skills or not.

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    beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    Getting a power point or not in an overflow is just a true/false. That result is independent of whatever else you get in the reward.

    My results were tabulated based on rewards saved across my account for about a year. The game doesn't seem to have any trouble tracking them.

    Sometimes they would roll with multiple PP in a row but this would be compensated by a greater number of rewards in a row with no PP. Big picture, they dropped from one overflow in four. None of my data sets as I compiled them significantly deviated from this average.

    (lol, pp)
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    plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,317 Arc User
    edited April 2017

    Technically, that implies it got 3 Power Points in a row 5 times. ;)

    Unfortunately not seeing that logic here...

    One 4 in a row means two 3 in a row happened at the same time.
    You do know that those are separate occurrences correct?

    . . . PP PP PP . . . . . . PP PP PP PP . . . . . . . PP PP PP PP . . . .
    What you presented "technically" has five 3 in a row. ;)


    . . . (PP PP PP) . . . . . . (PP {PP PP) PP} . . . . . . . (PP {PP PP) PP} . . . .

    One 4 in a row: PP1 PP2 PP3 PP4
    always has two 3 in a row: PP1 PP2 PP3 and PP2 PP3 PP4.
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    pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    Actually, you can earn more than that. It takes 10 tokens from each of the three zones, so 3.33 days... the first would be available on the fourth day, then the eighth day, then on the eleventh and the cycle starts over. As Kelt says, however, you don't need to max out every power to be effective.
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    trinity706#8838 trinity706 Member Posts: 853 Arc User


    One 4 in a row: PP1 PP2 PP3 PP4
    always has two 3 in a row: PP1 PP2 PP3 and PP2 PP3 PP4.

    Smh, just stick with what was presented instead of trying to turn the data into something else...

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    safespacecadet#3341 safespacecadet Member Posts: 374 Arc User

    Heck no, I love experience books. And rank 5 enchantments are the best. If you think it's so awful, go play some other crappy game. Getting power points is a lot easier than it was in the past (post Mod 6), but some people are never happy. Give em an inch, they want a mile.

    You know, if you really want rank 5's that badly, they drop like candy from all 70-73 mobs not to mention numerous other places. Rank 5's are not completly useless but I don't think they are appropriate at all as a stand alone overflow reward, same for rank 6's. Rank 7's would be a much more up to date overflow reward.

    As for xp books, they should be replaced with higher ranking ones. The green ones are barely worth opening.

    The green companion experiance books should be replaced with greater companion experiance treatise.
    I was totally joking. I like rank 4s better than rank 5s.
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    qexoticqexotic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 841 Arc User
    pitshade said:

    Actually, you can earn more than that. It takes 10 tokens from each of the three zones, so 3.33 days... the first would be available on the fourth day, then the eighth day, then on the eleventh and the cycle starts over. As Kelt says, however, you don't need to max out every power to be effective.

    Sorry, but that is not correct. Each Power Point requires 15k AD, 15 Gold and 150 Feywild Sparks to make in addition to the ten tokens from each zone. You can only earn 15 Feywild Sparks a day from the Daily Quest and 100 from the Weekly. So you can only earn a maximum of 205 Feywild Sparks a week, allowing you to create up to four Power Points every three weeks.

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    callumf#9018 callumf Member Posts: 1,710 Arc User
    This thread has truely become mathematics heaven.
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    qexoticqexotic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 841 Arc User

    This thread has truely become mathematics heaven.

    Not quite, you need to flick through this current thread for that:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1230361/bonding-should-be-limited-to-first-2-runestones

    >:)

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    silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    I just find it odd people got 3-4 power points in a row.. I dont remember ever even getting back to back ones.. maybe.. didnt really track it hard.

    but I know, I never got 3-4..

    Most classes are good at or around 90.. some like DC and CW.. are better into the low 100's.

    GWF/GF can get away with like 88 ...

    EVERY class has stupid things like SOOTHE and GRAND FISSURE (whats grand about that!) that you never need.


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    pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,665 Arc User
    @qexotic

    For a completely fresh player that is true. It depends then on how long you you have been playing the character. The only reason my characters aren't maxed out at 1000 sparks each is because I throw them in the guild coffer.
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