Laghtning Enchantment

mordockbr

Hello, actualy the Lightning Enchantment is almost 2 times stronger than a vorpal....
As you guys said it wold be a bit weaker than vorpal i can only think that this is a bug....

I would not have come here to tell you guys this, but since the Lightning Enchantment just lags everything please make it realy weake so no one uses it, otherwise any dungeon we get in is going to have at least 2 Lightning Enchantment users and it will lag like a hell!

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forumnamesuxs

Actually, the lightning enchant need to be looked at, but afaik, there's only issues with it on one class, so nerfing the enchant itself would be kind of an overreaction. Perhaps make it not proc on dots would be a better option, or make it not crit for this particular class.

c3rb3r3

First, Lightning Enchantment is still one of the worst Single Target enchantment and it's good this way.
Second, the aim of the enchant was initially to be one of the best Multi-target enchantments, which is fine right now.
Third, it doesn't do twice as much damage as Vorpal, you might have been OutDPSed by gear difference? or whatever reason. I guess you just don't want to buy another enchantment and stick with Vorpal. I can understand it, however it's been too long since Vorpal has been 500% more efficient than most of the other enchantments.
Fourth, it's the first time I enjoy being OutDPSed in the chart because many enchantments became competitive : Feytouched, Bilethorn, Lightning, Vorpal, Plague, Terror ...

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thefabricant

I will remain neutral in this discussion, however, here is a picture from ACT of what my CWs damage distribution looks like in mod 11:



I use Bilethorn on single target fights and Lightning on AoE. This log is over an extended period of time with the same group.

tacobeast94

@thefabricant you're awesome dude just keep doing what you do. Numbers are always your argument, and the community really appreciates that.

flyingleon

Multi proc from DoT is always bad and most likely not works as intended.

thefabricant

flyingleon said:

Multi proc from DoT is always bad and most likely not works as intended.

@flyingleon what the devs specifically said in the preview thread for these changes is it isn't intended for weapon enchantments to multiproc on damage over time effects, but it is intended for them to multi proc on Entities. Conduit of Ice, Icy Terrain, Oppressive Force, etc, are entities and so multi procs off them are actually intended.

The question is not, "is it intended" since the answer to that is yes, the question is, "is it balanced?"

btairborne

Aprox 24% overall damage increase from both.. Assuming it is Trans-
Trans Vorpal will get you about 28% wth 100% crit.. so yes Lightning or Bilethorn are better if you don't have super high crit.
I don't see the problem here. Big deal if CW gets the most benefit (by a small amount) from the enchantment rework.

thefabricant

btairborne said:

Aprox 24% overall damage increase from both.. Assuming it is Trans-
Trans Vorpal will get you about 28% wth 100% crit.. so yes Lightning or Bilethorn are better if you don't have super high crit.
I don't see the problem here. Big deal if CW gets the most benefit (by a small amount) from the enchantment rework.

@btairborne it is 24% of my damage, not a 24% damage increase. As a damage increase, it is (1/(1-0.24)-1)*100 = 31.578947368% dps increase.

michela123

thefabricant said:

btairborne said:

Aprox 24% overall damage increase from both.. Assuming it is Trans-
Trans Vorpal will get you about 28% wth 100% crit.. so yes Lightning or Bilethorn are better if you don't have super high crit.
I don't see the problem here. Big deal if CW gets the most benefit (by a small amount) from the enchantment rework.

@btairborne it is 24% of my damage, not a 24% damage increase. As a damage increase, it is (1/(1-0.24)-1)*100 = 31.578947368% dps increase.

Yeah, and how much is it if you don't run with an OP?

urabask

thefabricant said:

I use Bilethorn on single target fights and Lightning on AoE. This log is over an extended period of time with the same group.

Is Bilethorn so bad at AoE that it would be a downgrade from dread/vorpal if you're too lazy to switch enchants?

niadan

@urabask or visa versa running with only lightning. I have both, but in some fights it is a pain to switch where there is no campfire break between "phases".

niadan

@michela123 and he does this with a Forgehammer of Gond active arty just to show he can....lol. We do love our AOC Paly brothers and sisters.

btairborne

urabask said:

thefabricant said:

I use Bilethorn on single target fights and Lightning on AoE. This log is over an extended period of time with the same group.

Is Bilethorn so bad at AoE that it would be a downgrade from dread/vorpal if you're too lazy to switch enchants?

I would be that would be situational..depending on who you are running with and how fast things die!

thefabricant

CN run without AoC as requested.

urabask said:

thefabricant said:

I use Bilethorn on single target fights and Lightning on AoE. This log is over an extended period of time with the same group.

Is Bilethorn so bad at AoE that it would be a downgrade from dread/vorpal if you're too lazy to switch enchants?

The faster you kill stuff, the worse bile becomes, which is why I only use it on bosses.

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rjc9000

niadan said:

[Michela] and he does this with a Forgehammer of Gond active arty just to show he can....lol. We do love our AOC Paly brothers and sisters.

Forgehammer 2 stronk.

Can you say "Disintegrate every 3 seconds?

flyingleon

@thefabricant, thank you for the charts. I could tell the slight difference you meat between DoT and Entities. But for example, Conduit of ice and Icy Terrain, their mechanism is pretty similar to DoT. One activates the power once, and then one get damages over next several seconds. Anyhow, it is my personal opinion that things do not feel quite right.

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xxxhansolxxx

Ran FBI with 2 trans Lightning users yesterday ... No lag at all.

martelis1981

I did CN, and IG, we were 3 CW, 2 with T.Lightning a one with a Pure, and no lag at all. The lag usually comes from the server.

dmcewen

Has anyone tested the lightning or bilethorn on the HR?

kolatmaster

thefabricant said:

I will remain neutral in this discussion...

sobac

dmcewen said:

Has anyone tested the lightning or bilethorn on the HR?

Lightning procs on first tick of DoTs (i.e. roots, plant growth) on HR if i recall it correctly.

dmcewen

Well looks like BIS Weapon enchantment for HR will still be vorpal or dread depending on build

demonmonger

Lightning is good on fast attacks small damage attacks. Vorpal is a beast on high damage single attacks.

The threshold of equality between the two enchantment starts to show at around 15,000 to 17,000 damage.

So if your attacks are less than 15,000 damage per tick, use lightning for most damage return. However if your attacks are more than 17,000 critical damage and your severity is at least 70% use Vorpal

Did some tests to see how it all pans out.

Used legendary elemental daggers to test.
Trans vorpal, Trans lightning

thefabricant

demonmonger said:

Lightning is good on fast attacks small damage attacks. Vorpal is a beast on high damage single attacks.



The threshold of equality between the two enchantment starts to show at around 15,000 to 17,000 damage.



So if your attacks are less than 15,000 damage per tick, use lightning for most damage return. However if your attacks are more than 17,000 critical damage and your severity is at least 70% use Vorpal



Did some tests to see how it all pans out.



Used legendary elemental daggers to test.

Trans vorpal, Trans lightning

Please show me a screenshot of a character with less than 75% critical severity.

armadeonx

I've used a T. Lightning for months on my Pally and it absolutely does not cause lag. This is a false statement made by someone who has absolutely no evidence to back up their claims, as is their ridiculous statement that it does double the damage of a Vorpal.

niadan

Lol @thefabricant simple...a dead character. Come on....everyone knows this.

Been this way since Beta.