Plaguefire enchant

badkarma

Is it true that terror and plaguefire will no longer apply their debuff for the entire party? I heard this but cannot find anything on it

lirithiel

I don't know about that but what I do know is that most of the debuff is mitigated. It's not even close to 45% or even 15%. It's way down into single digits.

beckylunatic

All the rumors of doesn't work, got nerfed, etc. are entirely based on recent comprehensive buff testing. Most things that are no longer considered good are working the same as they ever did, but with documentation of how much they are mitigated (although these tables are no longer publicly published).

(purple monkey dishwasher)

emilemo

As usual few enchants are great, the rest are near useless. Same with class build paths.

mrvincent1959

Its "buyer beware" with almost everything. Tooltips are a guideline, not a rule!

silverkelt

no they work for the party.. its just they dont deliver what the tooltip states.

Trans plague is still ok. trans terror is useless.

Pure/trans frost is better then terror with a 7% hidden debuff.

Even trans vorp is better then terror. (2% at trans, pure procs it.. kinda, sometimes)

So terror is one of the worst enchants in the game.

It took me a year to make my trans plague/terror , I built these from scratch (from lessers) over the course of that year or so. So it kind of sucked when i flipped my terror, it eventually turned into a pure frost, but it took awhile.

lirithiel

I tried my damnedest to sell my Pure PF without success after also making it from scratch (I'll be damned if I ever pay those AH prices - even back then). Now my GF is using it because he has nothing else to slot.

demonmonger

Plague fire is a direct debuff on the enemy.
It applies to all damage that enemy takes.

Plague fires of the same rank do not stack, but different rank ones do stack up. Everyone gets the bonus so long as they are attacking the effected monster.

micky1p00

demonmonger said:

Plague fire is a direct debuff on the enemy.

It applies to all damage that enemy takes.



Plague fires of the same rank do not stack, but different rank ones do stack up. Everyone gets the bonus so long as they are attacking the effected monster.

No, different ranks do not stack. The icons are for the damage, not debuff.

jazzfong

silverkelt said:

Trans plague is still ok. trans terror is useless.

Pure/trans frost is better then terror with a 7% hidden debuff.

Even trans vorp is better then terror. (2% at trans, pure procs it.. kinda, sometimes)

So terror is one of the worst enchants in the game.

Actually your assumption looks correct but it stills wrong. I will share what i know here.

1. Both trans terror and plaguefire are the second best enchant for different part of game. Debuff wise, PF falls behind Dread (4.7% vs 7%), pvp wise, terror falls behind feytouched. However they are still very good enchants in both area of game, except if u compare with the 2 enchant mentioned above.

2. Frost debuff may scale depending on buff and yea at base it is 7%, but considering its uptime it falls behind PF in terms of debuff (same tier with bronzewood). People use frost is for its cc effect, the debuff is only a plus.

3. In normal content, a minor debuff is too small to be noticed so going feytouched/dread/vorpal is much more faster, however in very long dungeon (FBI etc), using debuff enchant may saves your team a minute or two.

silverkelt

I never stated PF was worse or better then frost, I stated terror was worse then it.
I wouldnt use frost if didnt have the debuff. It is more or less worthless without it.

I dont care about debuffs on mob packs as I do about the totality you can achieve on bosses.

Mob packs die with 2-3 high end dps in seconds as it is, I barely can cast condemended /divine glow on it, before the melt down.

In longer fights sure, your debuffs count for more.. but then again, those groups also take less advantage, as the totality of yoru buffs , only still grant them a % of their much lower dps anyways.

I really dont rank enchants, per se, I prefer if there is one trans plague, one dread, one frost, one vorp and one bronzewood.

If someone has a terror vs bronze, fine by me.. its not the end of the world. But overall, there is little to no reason to use terror, other then it stacks with the other ones.

I prefer if people leave dread for dps classes, drives me nuts when I see a DC /GF with one, unless that GF is using it for dps gains I guess, but Ive seen non dps gfs with one.. WTF.

I prefer if Vorp is left for dps classes as well.

That four debuffing options give or take for my DC.. Ive decided, since Frost is one of the lease likely to be used by any DPS class , or heck any other class. That dcs in particular is a good class for the frost debuff to be.

This is the reason I use it. I couldve kept a trans plague, I couldve swapped a feytouched, or kept the trans terror.

But overall, I think its a good place for the frosts debuff to be coming from.

I use a dread on my CW and a vorp on my GWF , a trans plague on my GF and a trans feytouched on my templock.. though in all honestly i dont like playing templocks and wish I was still damnation (now worthless)

SW class seems more or less dead to me atm.

HA.. I went off some tangents there.

silverkelt

To clear some of this up.. effectiveness of terror on lvl 73 mobs = 1.2%.

This is why I state, that in of its self, terror is the worst enchant out of all the options you can get.

Where as a trans plague total with all stacks = 4.8%. still not great, but hey, its not bad. Since it stacks with others. So yes, imo, out of all the options you have, I would suggest that terror is the worst option.

Trans Frost = 7%
Trans dread = 7%
Trans Vorp = 2%
Trans Bronze = 5%

beckylunatic

silverkelt said:

To clear some of this up.. effectiveness of terror on lvl 73 mobs = 1.2%.

This is why I state, that in of its self, terror is the worst enchant out of all the options you can get.

Yes, so sad. I'm still going to keep mine for PvP though.

mamalion1234

NOW i will debuff you. HHAHA i will mitigate the debuff with the hidden ability mitigate debuff.

mamalion1234

lirithiel said:

I don't know about that but what I do know is that most of the debuff is mitigated. It's not even close to 45% or even 15%. It's way down into single digits.

in pvp it reduces 45% defence stat rating. monsters do not have defence rating but damage resistance.