tr executioner very low dps vs gwf very high dps

llobuastur

That the programmers answer the tr it is dps or estais turning in support of terrible quality?

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zebular

My TRs do quite well, thank you. Yes, we can be squishy but we can also be deadly. It's a double-edged dagger... pun intended. A rouge is a rogue, a fighter is a fighter. In D&D, rogue have never been as defensible as a fighter. Rogue rely on their dexterity and cunning to not get hit in the first place. I suggest to not look at the rogue as a fighter and instead play it as a rogue.

armadeonx

@llobuastur how many threads are you going to make on the exact same discussion?

As was said on your previous thread, the TR is capable of good DPS but requires a much more in-depth understanding of powers & feats. Most people do not research their class and have a poor understanding of stats.

Unfortunately the TR is attractive to new players because they look at it and go "ooh stealth!". As such we are awash with poorly built rogues who then give the class a bad reputation due to their lack of understanding of how to play it.

I do agree that limits should be removed on the number of targets it's AOE skills can strike simply because most other classes have no such limits. I also believe that SoD should be automatically placed on the highest classed enemy within a group when activated using an AOE (i.e. hit the boss and not an add).

But these would be helpful tweaks. The basic point remains that the majority of players do not know how to play the TR. There is room for an argument that a simplification of it's skill combos would be helpful but for now maybe it should come with a warning; "Not For The Uninitiated".

silver11

true there are good rogues, but that doesnt mean the class is in a good place. pvp theyre stellar, but pve they definitely need work. the misconception currently is they can do massive damage (which they can) but thats when you get highly geared (bondings, artifacts, ideal build etc.). thats fine to expect, until you see other classes overtaking trs when they dont have these same things. the guy is entitled to his opinion and i agree. that said, i am a high level tr and do great damage, but i know its extremely gear dependent to the point that if i change one thing, id do half what i currently do.

drackonaut

@zebular
I didn't know DnD had a makeup class! Can only females play it or some curious guys as well? Oh can you pick what shade of red you are too? :P

rayrdan

tr damage is one of the lowest, you have right.
definitely the lowest between the dps classes

lerapiso818

Yeah but they are HAMSTER because rouge are not fighter, this is D&D, so when you're in a PVE run and your GWF mate is hacking and slashing everything, it's ok because he is a fighter.
Your job as a rouge is to stay close to him and dodge red area with your superior dexterity, when the mob is at 2% HP you can start to fight by using a crit lashing strike, deadly ! By playing like this you accomplish your double-edged dagger role. Show your superior ability at avoiding damage and wait for the right opportunity to be deadly.

I'll never take a SW or GWF over a TR in a party composition, because they can stealth and dodge stuff, and that's how you speed up your run, by not dying.

lirithiel

drackonaut said:

@zebular

I didn't know DnD had a makeup class! Can only females play it or some curious guys as well? Oh can you pick what shade of red you are too? :P

LOL maybe @zebular was feeling poetic. Yes red is most definitely red btw!

szejhuludpuchacz

llobuastur said:

That the programmers answer the tr it is dps or estais turning in support of terrible quality?

Whats your iL, build, pets? I have met lots of TR who wanna rule both worlds (pvp&pve) and then cry about their low DPS. BiS PvE geared, right speced and skilled player can compete in dmg terms with most GWFs.

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lirithiel

llobuastur said:

my exec is 3.5 il is pure half-orc damage only entered full damage to pvp for conqueror. the only ones who do much damage is going to set orcus power recovery and osobuho. and that I do not look like a tr. zebular with all due respect to the tr only lead us cualkiera penalty does better than Nostros gwf with a buddy of mine and bonding butt orcus tripling me harm. I have 3 years playing my tr

Google translate FTW!

durugudesu

the TRs i know of are those who can produce very very very high dps. i see more HRs and GWFs and CWs that dont know how to dps than TRs. Just because you are having a hard time, it does not mean it's the universal truth. Read around on the forums and try to see how to improve instead of doing double posts.

zebular

drackonaut said:

@zebular

I didn't know DnD had a makeup class! Can only females play it or some curious guys as well? Oh can you pick what shade of red you are too? :P

lirithiel said:

drackonaut said:

@zebular

I didn't know DnD had a makeup class! Can only females play it or some curious guys as well? Oh can you pick what shade of red you are too? :P

LOL maybe @zebular was feeling poetic. Yes red is most definitely red btw!

Whoops! *chuckles madly*

silver11#9318 said:

true there are good rogues, but that doesnt mean the class is in a good place. pvp theyre stellar, but pve they definitely need work. the misconception currently is they can do massive damage (which they can) but thats when you get highly geared (bondings, artifacts, ideal build etc.). thats fine to expect, until you see other classes overtaking trs when they dont have these same things. the guy is entitled to his opinion and i agree. that said, i am a high level tr and do great damage, but i know its extremely gear dependent to the point that if i change one thing, id do half what i currently do.

Indeed. If played well, like a rogue and not a fighter, then they will do just fine in any content. As you state, they are indeed in need of some balancing, which will be addressed in due time I am sure as Cryptic is not yet done balancing the classes. They've only done the GF, HR, and SW so far. There's still the CW, GWF, DC, OP, and TR for them to balance out and it sounds like the next two (at least) on the list are the DC and GWF.

llobuastur said:

my exec is 3.5 il is pure half-orc damage only entered full damage to pvp for conqueror. the only ones who do much damage is going to set orcus power recovery and osobuho. and that I do not look like a tr. zebular with all due respect to the tr only lead us cualkiera penalty does better than Nostros gwf with a buddy of mine and bonding butt orcus tripling me harm. I have 3 years playing my tr

Sorry, I really don't understand what you're trying to convey here. Not that it really matters, but I have been playing rogues since Open Beta in April of 2013.

Regardless, please be patient as class balancing for both the TR and GWF will come in due time, along with the rest of the classes.

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zebular

I am sorry but whatever translator you're using is failing you miserably. Your comments are barely coherent. Never-the-less, I am closing this up now as there are already threads on TR issues and balance and you have a long history of making incoherent TR/GWF "nerf/denerf" threads. Please find a better translator or get someone to translate for you and use existing threads on the topics you wish to discuss. Thanks!