Non-Threatening DPS Tier List(Mod 10)

acethedazed

Hey guys, just here to ask what you think is gonna be the next SUBJECTIVE order of the classes? Not asking for anything other than opinions and a forum to hear others opinions, if you feel one class is better than everyone else and you don't want to hear what others have to say please don't post. This is just a place to have friendly conversations on where each class lies on the dps spectrum. In mod 9 MOST people will agree it went something like this--SW-GWF-HR=CW-TR in PvE, at least that's my opinion. So far i would say its looking like this in mod 10--GWF-HR-CW-SW=TR. Again its my opinion not objective fact. Please if you would like to contribute to the conversation don't be shy, i'm sure there are a lot of people that might like to hear your thoughts on it. Thanks.

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acethedazed

Wow, thats a order i definitely wasnt expecting...for dps in mod 10?

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mamalion1234

defiantone99 said:

Ya, GF is bugged with Commander's Strike. HR seems to bugged too somehow, they are doing insane damage.

my guardian fighter is made to focus to defensive stats and recovery. SO think why to my build commander strike do not do monster damage if for example a gwf do a very high ibs.

SOME friends of mine got strikers companions with offensive stats focus and they do big strikes with commander strike when teamates deal high hit encounters.

Reworked the buff this power provides. First, instead of triggering the one-shot bonus damage from any damage dealing power, it now only triggers from Encounter powers, insuring a decent amount of damage is dealt. Second, instead of only working against the specific target that was hit by Commander's Strike, it now triggers when hitting any Marked target. This should make it easier for your allies to find an appropriate target to get the benefit. The buff duration is no longer increased by ranking this power up.
This power is now properly affected by damage buffs, debuffs, and damage resistances.

here some info from patch notes.

acethedazed

defiantone99 said:

My guess is GF, HR, GWF, CW/Owlbear OP/TR, DC, SW, OP.

Now for the HR is that just the same trapper stuff from mod 9? or have people went into combat or archery and tested stuff there for better dps? (i hear they made the other 2 trees more viable than mod 9)

tom

For me it seems like

GWF then depending on group SW or CW
After Comes GF HR TR

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acethedazed

tom#6998 said:

For me it seems like



GWF then depending on group SW or CW

After Comes GF HR TR

hmm this is also a unexpected one, almost every person ive talked to have said HR is beting SW majority of the time. So you think SW have recovered from this nerf and is still a top tier dps huh?

tom

If you are talking about PvE SW is in a very good spot (if you have the right build).
Especially if you talking about Fangbreaker almost no other class can dish out so much dmg as SW.
The thing is its not like braindead buttonshmashing u have to actually look at your party and what they have to offer to support u. If you can mannage to use that to the full extend and have a group focusing on buff/debuff noone can beat an SW dps wise. Speaking about 8-10 mio AOE hits with TC and 12mio+ hits with KF and Arms of hadar.
I still have to see anyone outdps my or graces sw in perfekt group composition.

jaegernl

defiantone99 said:

Ya, GF is bugged with Commander's Strike. HR seems to bugged too somehow, they are doing insane damage.

HR Trappers always had insane damage potential. So far, I've not noticed any bugged interactions with skills. The real culprit - Blade Storm - has been fixed.

thefabricant

1) Circumstantially SW

2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

4) CW

5) SW when circumstances are not met

6) HR

7) TR

8) GF when circumstances are not met.

9) OP

10) DC

schietindebux

Definitely SW (as long he doesn't get beaten by a GWF or Hunter)...

acethedazed

thefabricant said:

1) Circumstantially SW

2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

4) CW

5) SW when circumstances are not met

6) HR

7) TR

8) GF when circumstances are not met.

9) OP

10) DC

so is that master or flame or spell storm for wizard,,,also thaumuturge or renegade if you know...

thefabricant

acethedazed said:

thefabricant said:

1) Circumstantially SW

2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

4) CW

5) SW when circumstances are not met

6) HR

7) TR

8) GF when circumstances are not met.

9) OP

10) DC

so is that master or flame or spell storm for wizard,,,also thaumuturge or renegade if you know...

SS thaum for dps.

durugudesu

defiantone99 said:

Ya, GF is bugged with Commander's Strike. HR seems to bugged too somehow, they are doing insane damage.

yes lets blame bugs for doing insane damage for the HRs

durugudesu

For FBI. SW is top. all others are not worth mentioning as it is only the top 1 that gets remembered, no need for top 2 and such.

thefabricant

durugudesu said:

For FBI. SW is top. all others are not worth mentioning as it is only the top 1 that gets remembered, no need for top 2 and such.

It has got nothing to do with FBI and everything to do with buff stacking. SW still double benefits from buffs and debuffs on most of their abilities, the class is like a walking frost enchantment. Most of the groups running FBI are heavily stacking buffs and thus the SW ends up on top, but if you run a low buff setup the SW will get completely overrun by other classes.

asinoeh

Slightly off topic question, but I am a new player and can't create a thread yet.

Which of the DPS classes in this game are true ranged DPS classes, as in they lose none of their DPS potential when staying far away from the big bad monster?

lerapiso818

is SW top considering the infinite soul sparks glitch or in a glitchless way ?

thefabricant

lerapiso818 said:

is SW top considering the infinite soul sparks glitch or in a glitchless way ?

Not because of the soul sparks, but because of another glitch. It should be called the Glitch Buglock not the Scourge Warlock.

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pr3stigex

@thefabricant
Which would you pick the be your main DPS in a run?

thefabricant

pr3stigex said:

@thefabricant

Which would you pick the be your main DPS in a run?

SW or GWF.

loboguild

My takeaway from this thread:

Glitchlock
Hunter Piercer
Great Damage Fighter

TR > OP & DC (woo effing hoo!!!!)​​

acethedazed

thefabricant said:

acethedazed said:

thefabricant said:

1) Circumstantially SW

2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

4) CW

5) SW when circumstances are not met

6) HR

7) TR

8) GF when circumstances are not met.

9) OP

10) DC

so is that master or flame or spell storm for wizard,,,also thaumuturge or renegade if you know...

SS thaum for dps.

do you know a anyone with videos of ss thaum gameplay? ive read your guide but gameplay usually helps more and im pretty sure you play MoF thaum right?

thefabricant

acethedazed said:

thefabricant said:

acethedazed said:

thefabricant said:

1) Circumstantially SW

2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

4) CW

5) SW when circumstances are not met

6) HR

7) TR

8) GF when circumstances are not met.

9) OP

10) DC

so is that master or flame or spell storm for wizard,,,also thaumuturge or renegade if you know...

SS thaum for dps.

do you know a anyone with videos of ss thaum gameplay? ive read your guide but gameplay usually helps more and im pretty sure you play MoF thaum right?

I have videos of all paragons gameplay on my youtube channel, another good channel to check out though would be:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMMn2QthDCLqLbIxalnSfCg

He is an excellent CW on PC.

durugudesu

thefabricant said:

durugudesu said:

For FBI. SW is top. all others are not worth mentioning as it is only the top 1 that gets remembered, no need for top 2 and such.

It has got nothing to do with FBI and everything to do with buff stacking. SW still double benefits from buffs and debuffs on most of their abilities, the class is like a walking frost enchantment. Most of the groups running FBI are heavily stacking buffs and thus the SW ends up on top, but if you run a low buff setup the SW will get completely overrun by other classes.

yes but who would run FBI without a buff party? I didn't think those people exists, but if they do.. condolences for their very very tiring run.

acethedazed

thefabricant said:

acethedazed said:

thefabricant said:

1) Circumstantially SW

2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

4) CW

5) SW when circumstances are not met

6) HR

7) TR

8) GF when circumstances are not met.

9) OP

10) DC

so is that master or flame or spell storm for wizard,,,also thaumuturge or renegade if you know...

SS thaum for dps.

hmm i heard HR was gonna be really good mod 10...CW still beats the majority of the time in you opinion?

thefabricant

acethedazed said:

thefabricant said:

acethedazed said:

thefabricant said:

1) Circumstantially SW

2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

4) CW

5) SW when circumstances are not met

6) HR

7) TR

8) GF when circumstances are not met.

9) OP

10) DC

so is that master or flame or spell storm for wizard,,,also thaumuturge or renegade if you know...

SS thaum for dps.

hmm i heard HR was gonna be really good mod 10...CW still beats the majority of the time in you opinion?

Definitely.

asterotg

Nice to see, that so many ppl contribute to the top dps question, while here is one or maybe two dps in a good group, while the rest are buff/debuff.

On a sidenote. While SS thraum CW is top PERSONAL dps build, MOF rene CW does contribute more dps to the run. I myself went for HV SS rene CW as a compromise between personal dps and buff. You cant say it often enough, fast runs stack buff/ debuff and one or two dps. To go for SS thraum will hamper your group, not make for faster runs, if you are in a good group.