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  • jaime4312#3760 jaime4312 Member Posts: 844 Arc User
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    As cw was mentioned and I want yo try a master of flame renegade, do you think I could see your give? I only can find a link with which you can ask for access for your document on Google Drive and I request for it but it didn't work.

    Your guide would be highly appreciated as I have no clue about cws.
  • niadanniadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    Copy the link and paste in a new tab. It is a google issue.
  • flowcytoflowcyto Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 196 Arc User

    1) Circumstantially SW

    2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

    3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

    4) CW

    5) SW when circumstances are not met

    6) HR

    7) TR

    8) GF when circumstances are not met.

    9) OP

    10) DC

    Makes sense overall from a simplified standpoint. I assume the DCs are more playing as support w/ Astral Seal/Shield and the like and not going pure dps, though?
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  • squibosquibo Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 23 Arc User
    Every class have some dps path i think, if u build it dps, will do good, I play
    GWF its quite rewarding, as a Striker Class our dps is amazing
    SW
    CW
    HR
    TR

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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    HR TRapper has for breakffast a control wizard i do not know why you list the hr under cw. THeir cooldowns are almost permanent comparing to spell twisting. WATCh the swings on combat tracker and you will understand and in top of that also thorned roots deal high damage.

    ofcourse they are pure strikers but that is the control tree i have to remind cryptic.
  • durugudesudurugudesu Member Posts: 555 Arc User

    HR TRapper has for breakffast a control wizard i do not know why you list the hr under cw. THeir cooldowns are almost permanent comparing to spell twisting. WATCh the swings on combat tracker and you will understand and in top of that also thorned roots deal high damage.

    ofcourse they are pure strikers but that is the control tree i have to remind cryptic.

    I think the reason for this is just CW SS just need to keep on doing damage, while an HR can also do this, but mostly going in and out to use longstrider, which buffs not only himself but the team. Also probably because aspect of the serpent is like hard mode compared to chilling presence/destroyer feat.
  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    edited September 2016

    HR TRapper has for breakffast a control wizard i do not know why you list the hr under cw. THeir cooldowns are almost permanent comparing to spell twisting. WATCh the swings on combat tracker and you will understand and in top of that also thorned roots deal high damage.

    ofcourse they are pure strikers but that is the control tree i have to remind cryptic.

    I think the reason for this is just CW SS just need to keep on doing damage, while an HR can also do this, but mostly going in and out to use longstrider, which buffs not only himself but the team. Also probably because aspect of the serpent is like hard mode compared to chilling presence/destroyer feat.
    i know how hard mode is a hr those who play perfect the class they are beasts.

    and renegades give more than a hunter on buffs and opressors have controls. BUT do not forget why they changed the control on wizard. BEcause isnt fair to control and high damage at same time. THEY transfered that to trapper rotating jobs between classes is cryptic's balance.
  • drkbodhidrkbodhi Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,378 Arc User
    You seem to forget the Special Breed of SW that can carry a party through FBI. He finished with most than 5x the damage that the rest of the party had. He beat their total by 2.

    I have seen OPs do more damage than that SW and a CW do more. I have seen an MI Exec, without SE, do a little less than a CW. I have seen an HR beat an equally geared CW. GWFs are somewhere in the middle now. GFs... I have not seen in a dungeon since Mod 10 came out.

    The ONLY reasons that a TR would be anywhere near the top is due to them playing 1 Path and one of 2 builds. One of those is great for PvP and is kind of HAMSTER in PvE. The other is very good in both.
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  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    drkbodhi said:

    You seem to forget the Special Breed of SW that can carry a party through FBI. He finished with most than 5x the damage that the rest of the party had. He beat their total by 2.

    I have seen OPs do more damage than that SW and a CW do more. I have seen an MI Exec, without SE, do a little less than a CW. I have seen an HR beat an equally geared CW. GWFs are somewhere in the middle now. GFs... I have not seen in a dungeon since Mod 10 came out.

    The ONLY reasons that a TR would be anywhere near the top is due to them playing 1 Path and one of 2 builds. One of those is great for PvP and is kind of KITTEN in PvE. The other is very good in both.

    Honestly if you haven't seen a GF in your party since mod 10 you're bad at making parties.
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    urabask said:

    drkbodhi said:

    You seem to forget the Special Breed of SW that can carry a party through FBI. He finished with most than 5x the damage that the rest of the party had. He beat their total by 2.

    I have seen OPs do more damage than that SW and a CW do more. I have seen an MI Exec, without SE, do a little less than a CW. I have seen an HR beat an equally geared CW. GWFs are somewhere in the middle now. GFs... I have not seen in a dungeon since Mod 10 came out.

    The ONLY reasons that a TR would be anywhere near the top is due to them playing 1 Path and one of 2 builds. One of those is great for PvP and is kind of KITTEN in PvE. The other is very good in both.

    Honestly if you haven't seen a GF in your party since mod 10 you're bad at making parties.
    GF and FBI is definitely possible, my GF is too low I am sure though.
    I run with a GF (conquerer 4k) a GWF, a DC and I guess a buff CW, me being a warlock.
    That GF dealt hits up to 16 million with Commander strike due to encounter like IBS from GWF and Killing flame from warlock.
    In the end that GF was tank, top striker (who can top 16 millionhits) and buffer in one person.
    I also saw a GF from GB guild having 120k health, but 13 deflect (again a conquerer) doing the bosses
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited September 2016

    urabask said:

    drkbodhi said:

    You seem to forget the Special Breed of SW that can carry a party through FBI. He finished with most than 5x the damage that the rest of the party had. He beat their total by 2.

    I have seen OPs do more damage than that SW and a CW do more. I have seen an MI Exec, without SE, do a little less than a CW. I have seen an HR beat an equally geared CW. GWFs are somewhere in the middle now. GFs... I have not seen in a dungeon since Mod 10 came out.

    The ONLY reasons that a TR would be anywhere near the top is due to them playing 1 Path and one of 2 builds. One of those is great for PvP and is kind of KITTEN in PvE. The other is very good in both.

    Honestly if you haven't seen a GF in your party since mod 10 you're bad at making parties.
    GF and FBI is definitely possible, my GF is too low I am sure though.
    I run with a GF (conquerer 4k) a GWF, a DC and I guess a buff CW, me being a warlock.
    That GF dealt hits up to 16 million with Commander strike due to encounter like IBS from GWF and Killing flame from warlock.
    In the end that GF was tank, top striker (who can top 16 millionhits) and buffer in one person.
    I also saw a GF from GB guild having 120k health, but 13 deflect (again a conquerer) doing the bosses
    Haha. Any time I mention a GF beating a GWF, I get flamed. Must have been the worst GWF in the game, they will say.
    No that was not the worst GWF, not the best also as I am not the best for sure. I would say we both beat ourself , next time I only will use some lowy dot´s :)
    Lately I switch my rank 12´s to my 3k conquerer GF, who misses a lot. Wrong artifacts, wrong boons, only tank companions, wrong insignias.
    Using pVorp and that crit rings, running ITF, commanderstrike and knights challenge compansates this crappy setup to beat all striker in thiamat. Comanderstrike seems to scale somehow. Lately I recognized it´s the double of the original encounter, but maybe it´s related to your powerstat? It definitely scales with efectiveness, the more selfbuffs the higher it get´s. It´s a kind of fake damage, but nice for dungeons to compensate missing dps.
    Some even don´t use that encounter and also do great. No clue how much GF´s deal compared to top GWF "legit way" but look at that vids from Betehel and otherones, it´s possible and at that IL they even can tank the whole HAMSTER. All in all I don´t care .
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  • gabrieldourdengabrieldourden Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    @durugudesu has it right when it comes to HR and CW. It really depends on build and rotation. A thaum CW focusing on personal DPS beats an HR in FBI all time in my experience. The HR will be closer if he runs for personal dps, more behind if he runs with Longstrider (but the run will be faster with LS). But if the CW is a rene focusing on buffs like Sharpedge the HR will usually deal more damage.
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  • caveckcaveck Member Posts: 38 Arc User
    Why is it that TRs are being rated so poorly in this thread?
  • niadanniadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Because most TRs are pvp speced. I can assure you there are some truly fanominal TRs in pve.
  • durugudesudurugudesu Member Posts: 555 Arc User
    caveck said:

    Why is it that TRs are being rated so poorly in this thread?

    mainly because combat advantage got nerfed.
  • micky1p00micky1p00 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,594 Arc User
    edited September 2016

    caveck said:

    Why is it that TRs are being rated so poorly in this thread?

    mainly because combat advantage got nerfed.
    The change in CA companions is only about 4% total if you keep 3 sloted (more on crit, unfortunately).
    But even if we take 10% difference It's not the problem.
  • durugudesudurugudesu Member Posts: 555 Arc User
    micky1p00 said:

    caveck said:

    Why is it that TRs are being rated so poorly in this thread?

    mainly because combat advantage got nerfed.
    The change in CA companions is only about 4% total if you keep 3 sloted (more on crit, unfortunately).
    But even if we take 10% difference It's not the problem.
    before mod 10, CA companions give way way more than what it was supposed to do, which makes sense why people farmed the hellish event before that gave one CA companion.

    that said, TRs still do massive damage, but if you compare BIS tr and cw, and both know their classes, sadly the cw will win most of the time.

    I am an HR and it sucks but its the way it is XD
  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    u still have to explain why tr suffered more from ca nerf then all other classes xD

  • slappdanielslappdaniel Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited September 2016

    1) Circumstantially SW

    2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

    3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

    4) CW

    5) SW when circumstances are not met

    6) HR

    7) TR

    8) GF when circumstances are not met.

    9) OP

    10) DC

    wow place OP on 9 sharp. Cryptic buff damage for OP PLEASE!!! :P
  • durugudesudurugudesu Member Posts: 555 Arc User

    1) Circumstantially SW

    2) Circumstantially GF, on the condition there is a GWF or TR in the party and the GF is playing offensively, not defensively.

    3) GWF, when those SW and GF circumstances are not met this is 1.

    4) CW

    5) SW when circumstances are not met

    6) HR

    7) TR

    8) GF when circumstances are not met.

    9) OP

    10) DC

    show me an sw when circumstances are not met XD


  • tom#6998 tom Member Posts: 952 Arc User
    an sw in a group without buff/debuff dc, buff GF, mofrenegade cw,
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