Warlock bargain deflects damage. Hellish rebuke punishes every kind of damage towards you on top. So stop deflect abilities against a Hellbringer Warlock i would say. So in case both player run deflect encounter/abilities they deflect as long as it´s active, some proccing echants etc. Before lolset-fix, setbonus also got deflected as far as I remember. Bronzewood on top killed some BIS Paladins in mod8, no matter if high tenacity or not. A GF using guarded assault will get killed or will kill me in PVP, if I put WB and Hellish rebuke on him, depending on my resistance ignored and his defense. In case I run low RI , I will die. In case I pierce him to some degree using SH boon + prince off hell, he will die. If he slots 8k defense SH boon, maybe I will start dying. Tested this during one match against a GF, who killed me first, but got killed afterwards shielding all time. Everytime he deflects damage, Hellishrebuke punishes him as WB does, it´s WAI and not a bug imo. Can´t say if jagged blades DOT also triggers Hellishrebuke/WB, but it should. Warlock class , esp Hellbringer path, got some improvements that were necessary. No easy number any more I guess, but allways good for a onehit from a TR or onerotation from a GF/HUnter in case you are not BIS or cc´d. The class may be on par atm but looking at K/D-ratio and leaderboard it looks not too good. Maybe lacking in good warlocks. Watching PavlosT and his BIS HB-warlock, I definitely can say that warlock is an option. Beside a DC/OP he was the only player I met till now that did not even lose 10% health no matter what I throw at him. BUt I guess every class can stack DR/deflect and be tanky.
BTW , talking about crazy abilities in the game. My GF is the faster than most classes using steel grace ITF and gladiators guile. A GF doing dungeons that way is impossible to catch running in front.
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BTW , talking about crazy abilities in the game. My GF is the faster than most classes using steel grace ITF and gladiators guile. A GF doing dungeons that way is impossible to catch running in front.
BTW , talking about crazy abilities in the game. My GF is the faster than most classes using steel grace ITF and gladiators guile. A GF doing dungeons that way is impossible to catch running in front.
bad design.
Considering all other examples of bad design that one is the least of our worries. Also its quite funny when I can almost catch upto an epic mount while ITF is on
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Here are a couple of ideas about how a Devo-Pally can deal with a TR's Shocking Execution. The most important is being aware that a rogue is close to you. Understand that the time a rogue has in stealth is limited so from your vantage point you will either see him coming before he pops into stealth, or you won't see him coming and he will pop out of stealth as soon as he reaches your node.
Mitigation: As soon as you think he is going for the kill put your shield up! As Emilemo mentioned you can listen to the sound, although this is only useful if you are not stunned... He has stunned you, you say? Then use cleanse asap. You say he was faster than you, so am not sure if cleanse's casting time is too long relative to the TR's SE. So you can try next time and make sure to pop your shield up and follow with a big heal after SE lands.
alternatively (and better idea potentially):
Prevention: Use one of the different Pally encounters/dailies which give you temp HP! Very good way to soak up burst damage. An excellent daily for this is Heroism. Being aware of when the TR is close by is crucial here. You will double your HPs which will absorb all of Shocking Execution's Damage and you will also get CC immunity. Follow with Relentless Avenger to get your APs back up asap (if you are Justice then this should be easy, if Light then a little more challenging) and repeat. Other encounters also give the Devo Pally some temp HP like Templar's Wrath, although I seem to remember that it gives much more HP to a Prot Pally.
Someone mentioned Shield of Faith above which may also be a very good option, although am not sure if SE bypasses it or not.
Nezdin (DC) Aelan Icebleed (CW)
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BTW... not ALL TRs are created equally. Many people say I suck because of my build, but I do not care about what they say. I like playing my WK Scoundrel... without the crutches called ITC and SE to make thing easier. This game is about skill, not doing things as easy as you can. Where is the fun in that?
How can someone say I suck when I have very few deaths and much of the time... in the Top 3 scorers of the match? I think it speaks volumes about their thoughts about themselves.
I often do what the OP is talking about, and sometimes it is over in 5 seconds or less... and sometimes it isn't. If you have ZERO tenacity gear... buy some anyway you can. Even I will kill a new 70 OP with 0 tenacity with one hit.
GET SOME GEAR. DO NOT enter any PvP matches with 0 tenacity. There is Guild PvP gear and Battlescarred gear on the AH... find something. Hell if you want I can farm matches and give you the Battlescarred gear that I win.
Atwil "At" - Tiefling TR / Saardush - Black Dragonborn GWF / White - Tiefling OP
Here are a couple of ideas about how a Devo-Pally can deal with a TR's Shocking Execution. The most important is being aware that a rogue is close to you. Understand that the time a rogue has in stealth is limited so from your vantage point you will either see him coming before he pops into stealth, or you won't see him coming and he will pop out of stealth as soon as he reaches your node.
Mitigation: As soon as you think he is going for the kill put your shield up! As Emilemo mentioned you can listen to the sound, although this is only useful if you are not stunned... He has stunned you, you say? Then use cleanse asap. You say he was faster than you, so am not sure if cleanse's casting time is too long relative to the TR's SE. So you can try next time and make sure to pop your shield up and follow with a big heal after SE lands.
alternatively (and better idea potentially):
Prevention: Use one of the different Pally encounters/dailies which give you temp HP! Very good way to soak up burst damage. An excellent daily for this is Heroism. Being aware of when the TR is close by is crucial here. You will double your HPs which will absorb all of Shocking Execution's Damage and you will also get CC immunity. Follow with Relentless Avenger to get your APs back up asap (if you are Justice then this should be easy, if Light then a little more challenging) and repeat. Other encounters also give the Devo Pally some temp HP like Templar's Wrath, although I seem to remember that it gives much more HP to a Prot Pally.
Someone mentioned Shield of Faith above which may also be a very good option, although am not sure if SE bypasses it or not.
To add to this I'll share how I have successfully negated a shocking execution hit while stunned and without Binding Oath. First of all always slot cleansing touch in pvp, its a very useful ability both as a heal and a cc breaker. So I was under daze and I heard SE coming on so I hit Cleansing and immediately after that I hit Lay on Hands. Daily vs Daily. The result: my HP dropped to almost zero from the SE and half a second later it was back to full thanks to Lay on Hands. The casting times of SE and Lay ob Hands are similar so timing again is crucial. There are ways for a Pally to counter the 1 hit kill but its harder for devotion.
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
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I destroyed you and 2 of your mates before you even got up from falling off your horse on your node. I am not a bragger, I am not a leet trash talker (chocolatedumbo synergy), I am an old man who just loves to PVP. I literally kill 3 people 90% of the time when I role up to your node in Domination... Im only stating that as the pvp on PS4 is horrid vrs PVP on Xbox1. I know, cause I have played on both... I pray it gets better. I like PS4 more than Xbox1...
First hint...GET OFF YOUR MOUNT.. I roll up, deft strike to you, immediately putting me behind you, i Immediately drop smoke, go stealth and Trans Fey hits 3 or 4 or who ever is up there giving me the added damage bonus, I stealth, and just sly-flourish until you move, if you don't, in the first 2 seconds to 3 seconds you are at 10 to 20% health... AT this point, I am stealth doing max damage. When you move, I immediately switch to throwing, getting 3 different bonuses from at wills for the next 4 seconds to 5 seconds. At this time, my Daily is up, and my recovery has refreshed my abilities where I deft strike to you AGAIN repeating it.
Second hint....GET TENACITY.... Dear god, I Deft strike to some people and drop smoke and they are DEAD before i even go invis??? WTH...Are you running with NO gear? If so, get some PVP gear. Its NOT expensive. The level 60 gear is almost as good as the high end gear...
Last hint.... GET OUT OF THE FREAKING SMOKE... I shouldn't even have to explain the reasoning behind this.
I have killed entire groups of 5, and even have a video of me killing 8 in Stronghold Siege... Im not over powered, as GOOD players who only focus on PVP have killed me here and there. It doesn't happen often, but the good ones do accomplish it. Dark from R.I.P...Thugnation...Gwf .. he has killed me 1v1 a few times when I was coming up!
I'm bored with the game atm, so all your dom , GG, Stronghold matches should be safe. Getting full set of Elemental Lions-main set was freaking stupid easy. HELP YOUR GUILD. It pays off in the end. When LGPG rolls in a full group in pvp it is literally like watching freaking paint dry....My choices are, walk away, or pve, or enjoy last little bit of summer!!! We know the first 2 will never happen!!!
~ Slotto ~ LGPG
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"Listen for SE and move away, anything else from a TR shouldnt be destroying a paladin or even if it does it should be slow, not sudden death type."
There's a Audio Tell? I'll have to find out what it is so I can follow this advice.
It's not possible to outmaneuver SE as a GF or GWF. I'm pretty sure it's the same for Paladin. Requires a Dodge, I believe. Get more HP or use temp HP!
"Listen for SE and move away, anything else from a TR shouldnt be destroying a paladin or even if it does it should be slow, not sudden death type."
There's a Audio Tell? I'll have to find out what it is so I can follow this advice.
It's not possible to outmaneuver SE as a GF or GWF. I'm pretty sure it's the same for Paladin. Requires a Dodge, I believe. Get more HP or use temp HP!
You're right, avoiding SE on a class without a dodge is nigh impossible. That being said the GF shield actually reduces the dmg. Once fired SE lands on a small area does it not so moving out of that area should negate the hit. In the past Ive seen suggestions for GWFs to use Avalanche of Steel to counter SE. Paladins can counter via temp hp, healing or binding oath. Warlocks I dunno, run away i guess.
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
"Listen for SE and move away, anything else from a TR shouldnt be destroying a paladin or even if it does it should be slow, not sudden death type."
There's a Audio Tell? I'll have to find out what it is so I can follow this advice.
It's not possible to outmaneuver SE as a GF or GWF. I'm pretty sure it's the same for Paladin. Requires a Dodge, I believe. Get more HP or use temp HP!
For starters: There is no way this game will ever be balanced on 1v1, so the fact that TR counters GWF and SW is not going to change, I'm glad the GWF has a counter at all right now, have you seen those pvp geared ones? 5 people and he doesn't die, kills 3 in the process. You wouldn't believe how many times I've saved my team's butt by using SE on an undying GWF. You should also be happy, before you couldn't dodge SE and WB, I remember critting 4 people 50k at level 60, that was basically a one shot back then. About GF: That's not true, his shield actually reduces SE damage by A LOT, I mean something that should crit for 50k doing 5k, I have many times tried executing a GF with 10% hp and they survive even the execution reset and I have to finish them off another way.
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So stop deflect abilities against a Hellbringer Warlock i would say.
So in case both player run deflect encounter/abilities they deflect as long as it´s active, some proccing echants etc.
Before lolset-fix, setbonus also got deflected as far as I remember. Bronzewood on top killed some BIS Paladins in mod8, no matter if high tenacity or not.
A GF using guarded assault will get killed or will kill me in PVP, if I put WB and Hellish rebuke on him, depending on my resistance ignored and his defense.
In case I run low RI , I will die.
In case I pierce him to some degree using SH boon + prince off hell, he will die.
If he slots 8k defense SH boon, maybe I will start dying.
Tested this during one match against a GF, who killed me first, but got killed afterwards shielding all time.
Everytime he deflects damage, Hellishrebuke punishes him as WB does, it´s WAI and not a bug imo.
Can´t say if jagged blades DOT also triggers Hellishrebuke/WB, but it should.
Warlock class , esp Hellbringer path, got some improvements that were necessary. No easy number any more I guess, but allways good for a onehit from a TR or onerotation from a GF/HUnter in case you are not BIS or cc´d.
The class may be on par atm but looking at K/D-ratio and leaderboard it looks not too good.
Maybe lacking in good warlocks.
Watching PavlosT and his BIS HB-warlock, I definitely can say that warlock is an option.
Beside a DC/OP he was the only player I met till now that did not even lose 10% health no matter what I throw at him. BUt I guess every class can stack DR/deflect and be tanky.
BTW , talking about crazy abilities in the game. My GF is the faster than most classes using steel grace ITF and gladiators guile. A GF doing dungeons that way is impossible to catch running in front.
Dead🔪Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
Mitigation: As soon as you think he is going for the kill put your shield up! As Emilemo mentioned you can listen to the sound, although this is only useful if you are not stunned... He has stunned you, you say? Then use cleanse asap. You say he was faster than you, so am not sure if cleanse's casting time is too long relative to the TR's SE. So you can try next time and make sure to pop your shield up and follow with a big heal after SE lands.
alternatively (and better idea potentially):
Prevention: Use one of the different Pally encounters/dailies which give you temp HP! Very good way to soak up burst damage. An excellent daily for this is Heroism. Being aware of when the TR is close by is crucial here. You will double your HPs which will absorb all of Shocking Execution's Damage and you will also get CC immunity. Follow with Relentless Avenger to get your APs back up asap (if you are Justice then this should be easy, if Light then a little more challenging) and repeat. Other encounters also give the Devo Pally some temp HP like Templar's Wrath, although I seem to remember that it gives much more HP to a Prot Pally.
Someone mentioned Shield of Faith above which may also be a very good option, although am not sure if SE bypasses it or not.
Aelan Icebleed (CW)
How can someone say I suck when I have very few deaths and much of the time... in the Top 3 scorers of the match? I think it speaks volumes about their thoughts about themselves.
I often do what the OP is talking about, and sometimes it is over in 5 seconds or less... and sometimes it isn't. If you have ZERO tenacity gear... buy some anyway you can. Even I will kill a new 70 OP with 0 tenacity with one hit.
GET SOME GEAR. DO NOT enter any PvP matches with 0 tenacity. There is Guild PvP gear and Battlescarred gear on the AH... find something. Hell if you want I can farm matches and give you the Battlescarred gear that I win.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
I destroyed you and 2 of your mates before you even got up from falling off your horse on your node. I am not a bragger, I am not a leet trash talker (chocolatedumbo synergy), I am an old man who just loves to PVP. I literally kill 3 people 90% of the time when I role up to your node in Domination... Im only stating that as the pvp on PS4 is horrid vrs PVP on Xbox1. I know, cause I have played on both... I pray it gets better. I like PS4 more than Xbox1...
First hint...GET OFF YOUR MOUNT.. I roll up, deft strike to you, immediately putting me behind you, i Immediately drop smoke, go stealth and Trans Fey hits 3 or 4 or who ever is up there giving me the added damage bonus, I stealth, and just sly-flourish until you move, if you don't, in the first 2 seconds to 3 seconds you are at 10 to 20% health... AT this point, I am stealth doing max damage. When you move, I immediately switch to throwing, getting 3 different bonuses from at wills for the next 4 seconds to 5 seconds. At this time, my Daily is up, and my recovery has refreshed my abilities where I deft strike to you AGAIN repeating it.
Second hint....GET TENACITY.... Dear god, I Deft strike to some people and drop smoke and they are DEAD before i even go invis??? WTH...Are you running with NO gear? If so, get some PVP gear. Its NOT expensive. The level 60 gear is almost as good as the high end gear...
Last hint.... GET OUT OF THE FREAKING SMOKE... I shouldn't even have to explain the reasoning behind this.
I have killed entire groups of 5, and even have a video of me killing 8 in Stronghold Siege... Im not over powered, as GOOD players who only focus on PVP have killed me here and there. It doesn't happen often, but the good ones do accomplish it. Dark from R.I.P...Thugnation...Gwf .. he has killed me 1v1 a few times when I was coming up!
I'm bored with the game atm, so all your dom , GG, Stronghold matches should be safe. Getting full set of Elemental Lions-main set was freaking stupid easy. HELP YOUR GUILD. It pays off in the end. When LGPG rolls in a full group in pvp it is literally like watching freaking paint dry....My choices are, walk away, or pve, or enjoy last little bit of summer!!! We know the first 2 will never happen!!!
~ Slotto
~ LGPG
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
About GF: That's not true, his shield actually reduces SE damage by A LOT, I mean something that should crit for 50k doing 5k, I have many times tried executing a GF with 10% hp and they survive even the execution reset and I have to finish them off another way.