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mrsbloodred
Member Posts: 75 Arc User
This is defintly something to think about, the 3rd party sellers are being allowed to sell Zen and Astral diamonds and out it in chat and then when a gamer buys they are banned, how do they have access to these, Cryptic Studios, Arc, and Perfect world have the access, are they giving the 3rd party sellers these codes. Something to think about when you question them on the issue, they respond by saying that they yare aware of the problem, if so why do they spam the chat in the game? How do they get the codes or are they hacking? People are spending real money on these... Sound like a fraud market scam. Seems they do not care about the gamers!
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If my job were to play NW to sell my stuff I would be playing at all times, not like we normal players that play for a couple of hours a day, also they have multiple people farming the stuff. But that's my guess, it's not a conspiracy of Cryptic and those websites.
Rinse and repeat.
This isn't a kid in his bedroom, it's pros who know all the tricks.
This is another case of players needing to take responsibility for their own behaviour and at the risk of going through some sort of Groundhog day.... the best Cryptic could do is to have something on the zen trade section saying "buy from 3rd parties and you WILL be banned..."
As with the discussion over people managing their expectations over the RNG Lottery... this shouldn't NEED to be said. Common sense should tell anyone that.
But... untill common sense becomes more... common... maybe the rules need reiterating through a mass email, or notice on the log in news bar?
Till then maybe real life rules need to apply...
If a total stranger approaches you in the streets and offers you a deäl that seems odd that it isn't more well known, and seems a bit "iffy". DON'T buy that HAMSTER...
Besides, there will always be someone looking to shave a percentage, just to feel like they are smarter than everyone else and getting a better deal. Most of those getting bans know they are breaching terms of use, but they think they won't get caught.
I don't imagine it is too great a problem in the pockets of the owners, or there would already have been more public action taken.
The owners know that the chances of completely stopping the 3rd parties and/or succeeding in any subsequent legal action are slim to bugger-all, so they punish the players in the hope that WE all get the message.
They *CAN* target and ban those who go to these people and buy from them.
One solution might be to include a warning in the In Character welcome email,saying that "This is your warning... buy from 3rd parties and you'll get banned" (though probably couched in softer terms).
Send a similar mass mail to all players, and bingo. Everyone has been warned,and told of the consequences.
That way the banning should come as no surprise. As long as they follow through on the threat, people will eventually realise, and those who don't... will probably get banned, thereby increasing the average IQ of the Neverwinter player base.
This is like the main reason very few spend real money in the game, it doesn't feel like Zen is really worth it.
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Tracking back an account to an Xbox and banning all accounts is a place MS will NOT want to go, as they would be risking a lot of bad press.
Imagine a student hall of residence where one XB is shared by 5 or 6 guys and one of them is a HAMSTER.
MS reply to PWE's request to ban him and all accounts on his XB...
Apart from the enormous amount of bad press this would generate, what if one of the other guys opens a new Gold account? Does the unit remain banned from Gold in perpetuity? What's to stop them getting a second hand XB and setting up new accounts?
It would be both impractical and leave them open to both harsh criticism and potential legal action. (Imagine your reaction if your account was banned because your neighbour wäs being a HAMSTER...)
If PWE made such a request of MS I imagine the response would be not dissimilar to the US govt's request to Apple to write a code to crack the iPhone security... "HAMSTER off and sort your own security issues out."
Almost every online game with in game purchases has someone somewhere being a HAMSTER and breaking the ToS.
If MS ban every XB that a game developer says has a pirate playing on it they would set a precedent that basically tells any game dev "don't worry about security... we'll sort it".
And then the practicalities of how they confirm that the devs got it right, whether there's a burden of proof, what form that proof takes and whether or not there is an appeals process.
This would COST Microsoft.
Who makes up that money? The game devs? Cos if so, they'll just take the hit at their end. MS? Never, ever, going to happen.
Should the xbox be perma banned from Gold?
Seriously?
Game devs can't deal with their own security so Microsoft are going to just cut off their OWN income?
Yeah...
Oh by the way... who would compensate the other games companies who lose income because MS have banned a bunch of their players because another game had one of the users on the same box banned?
Typically they will save the bricking up until a new Xbox has been released and then do a blitz bricking, that benefits their distribution chain as people have to buy new consoles to get back online.
Whether they would incorporate these activities in such an exercise is of course debatable. Enough complaints to Live would raise it above the parapet though!
But responding to game devs requests to lockout current boxes to solve their own security issues that can dealt with just as effectively by banning individual players who breach ToS?
I may be totally wrong, but I don't see how that does anything but cost them money.
No one who got "box locked" would simply buy another X Box to overcome the problem... they'd go PS4 out of anger and spite.
Hell... they'd probably even go Wii U before buying another XB.
Besides, when you can get a free XBO with a mobile phone, it wouldn't be hard for the dicks to just replace the unit and carry on.
It's far easier to disincentivise a stupid player from buying 3rd party for a second time than it is to disincentivise criminals from corrupt behaviour.
Banned user has to open new Live account and start again at L1. There options are not play again, or learn their lesson. Either way they aren't buying 3rd party again.
The bottom line is selling in the real world Live Game components is breach of their TOC (selling or transferring accounts is the same).
As I said it depends on MS seeing a return for pushing that button, here they are being deprived of their cut through the Store.
If they feel they are losing too much money due to these activities they would certainly act aggressively.
Points to the FIFA duplication glitch which got lots of 360's bricked.
The system is clear and you would have to be a serious dumbass to not get the message.
Buying FUT coins gets you a yellow card... you get your coins wiped out and a warning.
A further infraction is a life ban.
Selling, advertising, farming, and acct trading is a straight red card.
They ban thousands of player accts every week and they say they it has a positive effect.
It allows banned players to launch new XBL acct and start from scratch, one assumes having learned not do it again, with no need to resort to the nuclear option of hard blocking XBs from Live.
Bans are always reactive. With the hard core professional con men, a ban isn't a deterrent. By the time the procedure of identifying and verifying by PWE followed by the submission, and eventual action by MS has all gone through, they have made enough to buy 100+ new units to start afresh It won't stop THEM. With players, who effectively get booted and are forced to start from scratch, it can be a deterrent, and the gradual education of players is probably the only real way this problem can be reduced.
There is a possible way a compromise from MS might help...
NOW tv have an acct process which allows 4 devices to be active on any one acct at any time. You can swap one a month. This stops lots of people sharing one acct.
If MS limit the number of Live accts on one XB, and when that limit is reached a new one has to replace an old one and they have to wait a month before another can then be activated, this might allow the game company to ban multiple sellers far quicker than a lengthy submission and deactivation of the box. This would limit the return on investment for the con men, and for some may prove sufficient to stop them.
While that may affect the resale value on ebay, it would be quicker, and buying a box in that condition should be a no no for even the hungriest bargain hunter.
The box would become redundant to the crims quicker, and they wouldn't be able to run dozens of spam monkeys from one box.