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Auction house and VIP no Posting cost causing issues
doublea2015
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ok so let me lay this out best as possible, the no posting fee for VIPers needs to be removed or reduced, the auction house must have a fee for all players, im sick and tired of seeing a item that isn't worth more then X amount being posting for triple or double the normal cost because folks are greedy and have no posting fee with VIP, so this needs to be fixed/ removed from the game, it truly is causing problems
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The most expensive item I got from lockboxes is a 300k armor enchant. That armor enchant was worth 100k a month ago. The price went down real fast. In average, you get about 7k to 20k from each box.
How much AD do you think you need to get a 1m+ Epic mount or 20m+ Legendary?
But inconveniencing VIP holders and punishing item owners just so you get items much cheaper doesn't make anyone less or more 'greedy'. In short, you're no different from the rest.
If you really think these 'expensive' items aren't worth 20m or 40m or more, then spend 1m, 5m, 10m in keys to acquire one or two. But of course you won't.
(Meanwhile, players are running dungeons freely and acquiring salvage items freely without any form of posting fee, competition or taxes.) If they add posting fees to VIP then dungeons should have 'entrance' fees too, right? Twenty slots per hour auctioned off. Players will bid 2k to get 5k off a dungeon if the system is changed. Make them fight off like animals like you want Auction House posting wars. Who wants that?
VIP is actually putting downward pressure on items like legendary mounts because people can undercut each other quickly.
Now, the complain is about VIP's no posting fee causes the price to be "too high". "That needs to be stopped".
You just can't win.
To remove posting fee would just make it difficult do advertise these things and cut into PWs profit, bc sometimes things still get sold in the AH.
With a posting fee of a few million ADs I just would write into the trade channel, like others do, 'WTT/ sell XY pm offer'.
The only preVIP difference is, that you cant make a bargain, if someone tried to cut posting fee and posted a item for 1 AD starting bit, a few million buyout and the offer expires with a bid of 50k AD.
They could place this new feature around rank 18, and come up with more usefull features up to rank 24.
Besides, you really think that ViP is a problem, when there are thousands of bots pumping items into the market every day?
I mean, really?
Btw. from now on you have to sell any valuable item to me for 1 AD.
Why?
Erm, because i said so, and you having any valuable items is causing issues...
No offense, but what might be the next step here?
Regulating all AH prices?
If a non-VIP seller want to sell stuff he has to consider worth and value for posting. Or else he would not be able to sell it.
So I guess there are sometimes items at a reasonable price available.
Consider a purple mount. A VIP owner puts it into the AH for 20m, which is overpriced in my opinion.
I want to sell the same purple mount. Having no VIP I think that I might sell that mount for 1.3m.
Now, if the VIP seller takes his 20m mount out to undercut my 1.3m mount he will soon sell it for the 1.299m, but I will sell my mount for 1.3m as well if the pricing is appropriate.
Oh, yes you want the buyer side of the story. It's there: wait to someone selling stuff without VIP. ANd there are lots of people out there without VIP.
Basically, items should be priced at the proper market value. That is priced so that if it were the only item of it's kind on the AH it would almost certainly sell.
For example, if you look at legendary mounts, there are some folks that have Golden Lions up for 40M+. There are also a few in the 20M range that aren't selling either. What purpose does a 40M lion on the market do anyone if even the 20M ones aren't selling. So no, 40M is not market value. 20M is not market value. You would need to see what the last one that actually sold for to get an idea of what market value really is. These are just SPAM.
If there were a posting fee, I can guarantee you no one would post that lion for 40M.
You are not going to buy their items anyway.
There is a 30 or 40 item cap in the AH, its just like another bag.
BTW, if this should happen, non VIP would really be screwed, bc currency was GMOPs and would be SMOPs. VIP get them for 75k, non VIP for 100k (exept sales from event purchases, when VIP were able to buy them for 50k).
2 - it also causes people that aren't familiar with the actual market value to think that $1000 is the correct price after the 2 $1 pens have sold. This causes the next set of pens to be put up at $999 and $998.
I'm not suggesting they need fixed prices, but when there are no checks and balances to keep people from putting items up at prices that will actually sell it just perpetuates the mess.
The real world doesn't work like this, not for anything but the most unique commodities. There are real life costs to carrying merchandise and running a store. Thus stores will try to price things so that they do sell and that they aren't just carrying perpetual inventory that doesn't move. If they don't sell, then they have sales.
1. The amount of ppl able to pay 15 kk+ AD is finite and I dont want to lose ca. 1kk posting fee each time.
2. AH is buggy now. Posts 'vanish' from AH, so ppl cant see, bid on or buy them. This is happening for me atm. A stack of 10 SMOPs will sell for 690k, even if the lowest offer in AH is 73k/ SMOP atm, bc you cant see it or bid on it.
If there are 5 horses around 11m and I put mine in for 1m I am going to sell it if I judge the price correctly.
If I am greedy then I would put the mount in for 10,999,999 AD, undercuting the other one, who would in turn remove his mount and repost (for no posting fee, scandal!) for 10,999,998 AD. No one would by the mount anyway for that price.
By auctioning my mount for 1m it will sell very fast (people might think this was an error and I forgot a zero or whatever).
Only greed hurts non-VIP players.
Really, I think this whole discussion is mostly a jealousy issue.
I guess, you being an AH customer, see items with price tags that in your opinion are not appropriate.
Wait for someone as smart as you are, with your wisdom and no VIP to post the desired item for a good price.
And I disagree with you that the no posting fee is "HIGHLY ABUSED".
If you put up items for a good price they won't be undercut and will sell very fast.
But demanding low prices from others and then adding your items at cutthroat prices to the AH so they are likely not sold might turn you into CMOT doublea.
*for reference; CMOT is not an insult, rather a reference to the famous Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler. Read the books. It's there.
This situation is artificially created due to the lack of any consequences for posting items at ridiculous prices.
Why don't real world stores just sell items for 10x what they are worth? Because they have overhead and monthly expenses that they need to cover so they HAVE to sell a minimum amount of items to just cover their costs.
If no one has any costs, then there is simply no incentive to price things to market unless you are desperate for currency.
I have VIP, I'm not "jealous". I don't buy the overpriced junk, but it is abundantly clear to me that the AH has become a dumping ground where there are far more overpriced items being "stored" than there are items actually up for sale. What purpose do these items actually serve anyone other than the poster "storing" the item?
Then consider that half the time I try to post something it "fails" because there are too many items up on the AH and you begin to see that yes it is a problem for the server itself.