I never said we can't get the job done. We can get it done, but at a much slower pace and at a much higher level of difficulty. Because, the fights take longer "orcus", the group is subjected to more chances of being wiped out by a set of green death balls or you as a tank are more likely to take a hard round of hits from orcus and end up dying. The movement speed that GF gives and damage increase they provide make fights go faster and smoother.
i like to run my pally with a GF
Yea me too, but do guardian fighters like to run CN with us? Probly not unless they are low il or have little experience. At any rate you are relying upon the kindness and charity of others to get into the fun things like edemo, CN, tiamat, etc. I have been level 70 for about 2 weeks and never NEVER have I seen in LFG channel looking for paladin its either DC,GF, or DPS. P.S I love playing my paladin I just wish we could compete against our tank rivals GF.
? ???????? paladin is easier than gf vs orcus. the defence for paladin is damage absorb with oath and return the damage to temporary hp. with 1400 recovery VERY low and aura of wisdom i am near to keep binding oath up missing 2 seconds sometimes. I can cast bane while orcus hit me under the effect of binding oath and temp hp from templar wrath. MY pt can mitigate 30% incoming damage with shield of faith me too.
IN other hand gf even with shield talent need to refresh his stamina with tide of iron-enforced threat and if uses the right click and block for long time there is danger to loose threat to a damage dealer.
I AM talking about pug queue undergear players always.
AND also because somewhere i read about infiinte heals no as gf guard assault will not save me if i play like is infinte heal a wrong timing block and i am dead.
gf tact refill their ap with a single hit from orcus while shield up..daily proc steel defense to gain immunity for 6 sec,enough time to refill stamina..rinse and repeat...gf can tank orcus as easy as what pally can do.
gf tact refill their ap with a single hit from orcus while shield up..daily proc steel defense to gain immunity for 6 sec,enough time to refill stamina..rinse and repeat...gf can tank orcus as easy as what pally can do.
One tiny difference. If mistimed lowering his shield he's gonna be hit so hard. Op's can take a couple attacks directly from him without the need of "shield up". Problem with OP is the cooldown encounters. if they recklessly use up all divine call charges they are gonna wait for encounters to go out of cooldown. oh and i rarely need binding oath.
that because pally has temp hp while gf rely on his shield up or he'll be one shot. i used to be perma bubble before the nerf, then i follow the current meta tank and build a gf. bubble still very useful though during dragonflight.
I never said we can't get the job done. We can get it done, but at a much slower pace and at a much higher level of difficulty. Because, the fights take longer "orcus", the group is subjected to more chances of being wiped out by a set of green death balls or you as a tank are more likely to take a hard round of hits from orcus and end up dying. The movement speed that GF gives and damage increase they provide make fights go faster and smoother.
i like to run my pally with a GF
Yea me too, but do guardian fighters like to run CN with us? Probly not unless they are low il or have little experience. At any rate you are relying upon the kindness and charity of others to get into the fun things like edemo, CN, tiamat, etc. I have been level 70 for about 2 weeks and never NEVER have I seen in LFG channel looking for paladin its either DC,GF, or DPS. P.S I love playing my paladin I just wish we could compete against our tank rivals GF.
? ???????? paladin is easier than gf vs orcus. the defence for paladin is damage absorb with oath and return the damage to temporary hp. with 1400 recovery VERY low and aura of wisdom i am near to keep binding oath up missing 2 seconds sometimes. I can cast bane while orcus hit me under the effect of binding oath and temp hp from templar wrath. MY pt can mitigate 30% incoming damage with shield of faith me too.
IN other hand gf even with shield talent need to refresh his stamina with tide of iron-enforced threat and if uses the right click and block for long time there is danger to loose threat to a damage dealer.
I AM talking about pug queue undergear players always.
AND also because somewhere i read about infiinte heals no as gf guard assault will not save me if i play like is infinte heal a wrong timing block and i am dead.
What about iron warrior for GF? It keeps the Guard up and the only problem is the disgustingly slow activation animation but if cast during immunity frame after daily then its fine. It will surely take timing but then again tanking with op also takes timing.
Question: does KV adds general damage resistance to the GF or reduces the damage incoming from party members only? IF a GF goes into orcus with KV, ITF, IW, guard assault/shield talent , steel defense and fighter's recovery he should be able to facetank it with good timing no?
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
A well built OP has way more hit points then a gf. OP has an easier time tanking at any IL 8 seconds of immunity plus 6 seconds of half damage or 12s of 30% less damage, and loads of temp hp even before you use your block plus encounter spam. Never mind blue bar shields if you use them.
They nerfed steel defense to 3. 5 seconds.
Paladin also has great buffs, which are better at max IL and in low IL groups. The days of GF only ended with mod 10.
that because pally has temp hp while gf rely on his shield up or he'll be one shot. i used to be perma bubble before the nerf, then i follow the current meta tank and build a gf. bubble still very useful though during dragonflight.
A paladin's buffs are far inferior to a tactician GF's buffs. Our temp hp's are great when you have multiple people close by. Have you ever tried tanking Epic Demi-Gorgan? One thing you'll notice right away is the temporary hp's you get when all alone are around 15% "which doesn't cut it." Smart paladins use their daily to help supplement your tanking such as shield of faith. In the end though we rely on bodies around us to pump up our temporary shield. Things that add to our temporary shield are increased mob's, increased players, & increased companion presence.
OP tank pros and cons Negatives A paladin's tanking and buffs are all reliant upon proximity to other players. A paladin's aura's are not as useful as other tanking class buff's even in mod 10 A paladin's aggro abilities are unreliable and without the ability to attack while blocking paladin's have an increased chance of loosing the attention of monsters. Paladin's are the lowest damage dealing melee classes in game.
Positives Spellcasting comes online early and makes leveling easier. High constitution makes our base HP's high.
Bottom line the class has been engineered towards tanking with several abilities stripped away from AD&D 5th edition. I think they should just let the GF be the be all tank and turn the paladin into a single target dps fighter like he is in 5th edition. Not some hybrid of a tank with only self healing. After all a paladin is just a warrior with a strict code of ethics and some magic abilities "like a GWF with spells."
"like a GWF with spells" SWEET! Haha but really Id love to have the option to make a Paladin with a greatsword focused on avenging the HAMSTER out of stuff
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
"A fierce battle cry that temporarily increases your adventuring party's Run Speed and Action Point generation. In addition, all party members receive a small portion of your Max Hit Points as Temporary Hit Points and 25% of your Damage Resistance as increased Damage. Recovers 15% of your Stamina over 8 seconds."
My experience on this buff is the distance is around 50'? If your missing it its because it was cast while you where still zoning over not do to distance because, the distance where your affected is very large.
(which will reguarly account for a huge chunk of the total damage, it's guaranteed for a nerf for the same reason as ITF)
Um please take it away its truly not that great. Again its an aura with 30' range benefiting only the melee dps. I'd much rather have something that actually benefited the entire group like ITF at a scale of even 1/3 of what they get and I'll be happy as a pig in #HAMSTER.
I created this post because, groups don't even think about paladins as a tank for their group anymore. Its GF and only GF will do. Whats better than one GF? Two guardian fighters so to me it feels like I'm always begging to get into the events I want to even after making 3k+ iL. If you'ld like I can post pictures of the LFG channel or worse my alliance channel. I play my alt now that even at 2400iL gets into more things than my 3150 paly. I challenge anyone to post legit pictures of groups asking for paladins healer tank. The worst thing is when someone asks in lfg for a tank I msg them 5 minutes later after they spam looking for a tank a few more times they respond to me with "group filled." Essentially oops not a paly type of situation.
Those of you who say pets and or these auras work well as they are obviously don't play a paladin. When ITF hits you know you have it the results are amazing. When a paladin aura hits it is often extremely brief and seldom helpful.
Why does people hated OP and favor GF below is what i think
1. usage of RA - everyone hates knock back also some OP even use it on friendly which is irritating 2. people unaware on how good OP can buff 3. way too many bad OP out there, technically speaking OP not as easy to play as GF which just need to turtle behind his/her 80% reduction shield, we need spam encounter one after another and chain our daily correctly to survive .
The situation is bad not hopeless yet, if you are good people will add you as friend and look for you its not easy to find good tank these days, so do your best and don't give up give Oathbound Paladin a good name.
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IN other hand gf even with shield talent need to refresh his stamina with tide of iron-enforced threat and if uses the right click
and block for long time there is danger to loose threat to a damage dealer.
I AM talking about pug queue undergear players always.
AND also because somewhere i read about infiinte heals no as gf guard assault will not save me if i play like is infinte heal a wrong timing block and i am dead.
Question: does KV adds general damage resistance to the GF or reduces the damage incoming from party members only? IF a GF goes into orcus with KV, ITF, IW, guard assault/shield talent , steel defense and fighter's recovery he should be able to facetank it with good timing no?
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
They nerfed steel defense to 3. 5 seconds.
Paladin also has great buffs, which are better at max IL and in low IL groups. The days of GF only ended with mod 10.
A paladin's buffs are far inferior to a tactician GF's buffs. Our temp hp's are great when you have multiple people close by. Have you ever tried tanking Epic Demi-Gorgan? One thing you'll notice right away is the temporary hp's you get when all alone are around 15% "which doesn't cut it." Smart paladins use their daily to help supplement your tanking such as shield of faith. In the end though we rely on bodies around us to pump up our temporary shield. Things that add to our temporary shield are increased mob's, increased players, & increased companion presence.
OP tank pros and cons
Negatives
A paladin's tanking and buffs are all reliant upon proximity to other players.
A paladin's aura's are not as useful as other tanking class buff's even in mod 10
A paladin's aggro abilities are unreliable and without the ability to attack while blocking paladin's have an increased chance of loosing the attention of monsters.
Paladin's are the lowest damage dealing melee classes in game.
Positives
Spellcasting comes online early and makes leveling easier.
High constitution makes our base HP's high.
Bottom line the class has been engineered towards tanking with several abilities stripped away from AD&D 5th edition. I think they should just let the GF be the be all tank and turn the paladin into a single target dps fighter like he is in 5th edition. Not some hybrid of a tank with only self healing. After all a paladin is just a warrior with a strict code of ethics and some magic abilities "like a GWF with spells."
avenging the HAMSTER out of stuff
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
"A fierce battle cry that temporarily increases your adventuring party's Run Speed and Action Point generation. In addition, all party members receive a small portion of your Max Hit Points as Temporary Hit Points and 25% of your Damage Resistance as increased Damage.
My experience on this buff is the distance is around 50'? If your missing it its because it was cast while you where still zoning over not do to distance because, the distance where your affected is very large.Recovers 15% of your Stamina over 8 seconds."
Um please take it away its truly not that great. Again its an aura with 30' range benefiting only the melee dps. I'd much rather have something that actually benefited the entire group like ITF at a scale of even 1/3 of what they get and I'll be happy as a pig in #HAMSTER.
I created this post because, groups don't even think about paladins as a tank for their group anymore. Its GF and only GF will do. Whats better than one GF? Two guardian fighters so to me it feels like I'm always begging to get into the events I want to even after making 3k+ iL. If you'ld like I can post pictures of the LFG channel or worse my alliance channel. I play my alt now that even at 2400iL gets into more things than my 3150 paly. I challenge anyone to post legit pictures of groups asking for paladins healer tank. The worst thing is when someone asks in lfg for a tank I msg them 5 minutes later after they spam looking for a tank a few more times they respond to me with "group filled." Essentially oops not a paly type of situation.
Those of you who say pets and or these auras work well as they are obviously don't play a paladin. When ITF hits you know you have it the results are amazing. When a paladin aura hits it is often extremely brief and seldom helpful.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1224618/official-feedback-thread-oathbound-paladin-changes-sea-of-moving-ice
Why does people hated OP and favor GF below is what i think
1. usage of RA - everyone hates knock back also some OP even use it on friendly which is irritating
2. people unaware on how good OP can buff
3. way too many bad OP out there, technically speaking OP not as easy to play as GF which just need to turtle behind his/her 80% reduction shield, we need spam encounter one after another and chain our daily correctly to survive .
The situation is bad not hopeless yet,
if you are good people will add you as friend and look for you its not easy to find good tank these days, so do your best and don't give up give Oathbound Paladin a good name.