WTH is going on R4s and R5s?

lldt

Edit: Nevermind, just realized that the prices are due to demand for guild coffers, so that's why it doesn't match up in terms of RP-to-price ratio.

What the h*** is going on with stacks of r4 and r5? Their prices don't match up any where close to r7 and Thaumaturgic stones. Even considering 2x RP for matching enchantment, a r7 runestone has a better price to RP ratio. I mean seriously, a stack of r5 is 40k and stack of r4 is even more ridiculous at 13k (even when r5 give 4x the RP). What the heck is going on? Am i missing something completely?

jumpingmorks

RP removed from Skill Nodes, bots have moved on.

lldt

I know, but shouldn't the price of r5 and r4 be more in line with the price of r7s and thaums? Even the price of r4s and r5s don't match up. Wait, I suddenly realized what this is about: it's about guild coffers and not about RP. That would explain the price not matching RP ratios.

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urabask

Rofl 40-50k a stack of r5s. Thanks guys we really needed to deal with the bots this is great.

dsn1118

urabask said:

Rofl 40-50k a stack of r5s. Thanks guys we really needed to deal with the bots this is great.

I dont think so.Newly geared players will face that insane wall called refinement 2 times harder now.There were 4 artifact gears to refine before.Now it is 8(4 artifact+4 gear) I am lucky I hoard enough r4s and r5s that will last for 2-3 new toons

urabask

dsn1118 said:

urabask said:

Rofl 40-50k a stack of r5s. Thanks guys we really needed to deal with the bots this is great.

I dont think so.Newly geared players will face that insane wall called refinement 2 times harder now.There were 4 artifact gears to refine before.Now it is 8(4 artifact+4 gear) I am lucky I hoard enough r4s and r5s that will last for 2-3 new toons

That was sarcasm in case it wasn't obvious.

Prices will probably re-settle at 20k (they can't really maintain prices too close to lesser artifact stones and leadership armies keep those prices down) but even that's minimally five times what it was before.

dfnce

Bots buy out all r4/r5 and re-sell for profit. AD must flow.

dsn1118

Bots dont need to resell.They are already busy with their new toys.Stronghold Demonic and heroic encounters

wildfirede

imo reduce RP needed by 1/4 or 1/8 on everything before wards buying plunges to 0 and they move something else to the z-store (like iwd enering tickets)

mercedesman

I have spent a ton of money in this game.. but 20K,30K,40K for a stack of R5's is not going to happen with me. I will creep along holding back the R5's I pick up and wait until 2xRP like everyone else... thank God I only need 13Mil RP to get my R11's to R12's..lol.. they might just stay at R11 and my current alt project might just stop where he is.. cost is getting too high to play the game as I once played it and quality in return is getting worse.. maybe things will change.. lol.. yeah right

sm0ld3r

It isn't that bad. At least they got rid of the bots! Honestly I think all the folks asking for changes (like getting rid of bots, nerfing x, y) need to really consider the consequences of what they are asking for.

wildfirede

Bods being bad does not change the fact that rp needed is insane, it was so before and the bots just managed to halfway hide the fact.

I was thinking that from items cryptic's money comes from wards and that getting to the step where your require one should be reasonably easy (without bots)

and yes i an happy they are gone (or atleast moved to strongholds which should make them more easily banned by the masses).

xaansteel

Didn't they say that they were going to make it easier for players to get refining items to offset the inflation? If that's true and not just wishful imagination, why not do those two things simultaneously?

silverkelt

Woah.. wait, I think they increased drop rates, by like .3% or something.. come on didnt you notice! Maybe a WHOLE extra r5 or maybe EVEN 2 a day!! come on.. that seems reasonable right? stack of 99 vs 2 r5s a day?

Well , of course its not reasonable.. just keep making ecnhanter coffers I guess, the price is too high , we all know that, but until speculation dies down, this is what we have..

Just another reason to hate the game right now.. of course the 2% of poeple who like the change will jump all over that.. they seem bound and determined to make any sort of reasonable progression in the game to go away (the same people who thought 80 hours to grind out legendary weapons was too little, but you know 300 that it got changed to was better) of course when you sadly pointed out that 300 hours was like 50 days of 6 hours of grinding give or take.. some even said that seemed about right.. Which then corresponds with the NEARLY the same time (about every 3 months) they were dumping NEW weapons on us.. with a 20% cut hit with it)

RP has been supportable only via botting, its the SAD, but honest truth. Many players gave better solutions.. but they dont care about that. Many players also want to skirt around that truth.. and even some that argued to get rid of botted RP , but also bought it (which negates thier entire argument if you ask me) So many actual dishonest players , it hurts!

Of course, my favorite argument, is it hurts the games economy by buying botted RP, because those bots then sell AD on thier websites.. WELL duh, if you dont buy AD from thier websites, I dont see how that hurts anyone.. just dont do that! No one PAYS cryptic for miniscule upgrades with RP.. they MAY give cryptic money for cwards or pwards though.. so it behooves them to allow us reasonable progression modules to upgrade things in. r5 stats at 10k was alot more reasonable then 50k.. (lol at that)

Frankly , pricing at this limit, actually hurts cryptic, we all know that.. no one will sit there and pay that pricing, so nothing is going to get upgraded and if we wanted to purchase a few cwards or something.. we wont, we are all just waiting for the stupid pricing to drop at some point or just see another few hundred or thousand just walk away in the disgusted manner that seems to be the M.O . of the last year or so.

shakes head in disgust..

silverkelt

I will also point out Ive stated this now many times..

MAKE all RP BTA, reduce cost of upgrading everything by 50-75%..

problem solved, im not FOR bots, BUT I cant be AGAINST bots, until such a time that a REASONABLE progression system is put into play.. clearly we do not have one. We have asked and begged for actual reasonable changes for months (and no not the sort of changes like the companion upgrade costing (still double too high)

IM WORKING myself up to a full fledge new COST cutting campaign, these "pre edited so someone-like "double edited" cant remove this post" who like to drive away dozens of players a week, need to be slapped upside the head a few times and beating with a portebello ugly mushroom hat until they wake up.

zibadawa

xaansteel said:

Didn't they say that they were going to make it easier for players to get refining items to offset the inflation? If that's true and not just wishful imagination, why not do those two things simultaneously?

They never have before. They always do a heavy-handed, barely thought-out nerf first and then sit around for 6+ months because they want to "collect data" so that they can "do it right" when they finally remember they crippled the game. It never occurs to them that one of the biggest factors in their player retention and attraction problem is that people don't like playing a crippled game. They'd fare better if they made actual efforts to think out their nerfs and to actually include balances with them. Instead we get RP available through the economy reduced by 75% or more while demand remains the same, skill nodes that give nothing thanks to no one wanting to spend more than 2 minutes actually doing work on this nerf, and a new batch of pissed off players yelling and screaming and pointing at the threads that get posted every month or two about how to not be such HAMSTER tossers.

santralafax

zibadawa said:

They always do a heavy-handed, barely thought-out nerf first and then sit around for 6+ months because they want to "collect data"

This. They never dial things back in stages, and collect data on that. They prefer to inflict much pain first, and then see what happens.

silverkelt

What happens after every effing thing they do like this, is poeple leave..

then they admit they failed , then change it.. why not just balance things in the first place and keep players.. shouldnt you think player retention at this point counts for more.

In addition.. this next "mod" appears to be nothing at all .. literally no content, I wont release a poll on that.. jeebus. I will never consider a rework of campaigns and a allaince package to be a actual mod.. those are just more or less reworked areas of current mods. Screw that. They got some explaining to do.. and what exactly do they think they are wasting thier time and efforts on again.. are they not literally listening to anyone who says we want more actual dungeons to run? raids? anything besides more solo campaign work.

WHEN do they release stuff that we actually run together on?

lirithiel

I sympathise with the newer players. It is becoming increasingly difficult to collect enough RP to level one's gear. This latest change has definitely affected me; I hardly see any enchantments or runestones during my questing. The drop rate is ridiculously low from mobs so I can no longer rely on getting them from game-play. I have over 2000 Leadership coffers waiting for the next 2x enchants/runestones event. At least my bags are lighter...

qexotic

silverkelt said:

They got some explaining to do.. and what exactly do they think they are wasting thier time and efforts on again.. are they not literally listening to anyone who says we want more actual dungeons to run? raids? anything besides more solo campaign work.

Actually, I am one of those people who does want more solo friendly stuff to do. However, doing a rework on the existing campaigns so that they are easier to work through when you reach lvl 70 is definitely not what I had in mind. I would like solo access to low level dungeons or, better still, some new solo lairs to work through. The ones in Dread Ring, Sharandar, Well of Dragons and the single one in IceWind Dale are really getting a little tired to work through.

murattti

rp point still removed skill notes ? how do you refine artifact ?

plasticbat

murattti said:

rp point still removed skill notes ? how do you refine artifact ?

I assume you are talking about enchantment/runestone from skill node. You can get them from leadership, from mob drop, from quests, ...., from AH. I get about 30+ R5 from mob drop per day. I did not depend on skill node before RP was nerfed.

silverkelt

one artifact takes 1,570.680 refining points. During a double RP event.. you need roughly 48 stacks of r5s to get a artifact to mythic.

Old cost was roughly 480k give or take in refinement points per artifact.
New cost is roughly 1.44 million AD just for refinement points.. or 5.76 million for 4 artifacts.

If you take plasticbats suggestion 30 per day = roughly 158 days per artifact or 632 days for 4 ..

Ya.. reasonable? not really.

Im always blown away by people , who have played for years, never given a thought to newer players.

Do you know how I made my first epic artifacts? by feeding them greater marks from dread ring.. THEY removed those though.

There never seems to be a reasonable grinding methodoly applied.. just increased grinding.. I cant even say paywalls as there is no real alternative.

BTW plastic, WE ALREADY earned those 30 a day.. I see no difference really, all this does is effectively remove stack buying.

mentinmindmaker

Well.. at 36k per day you should make 1,5M AD in 45 days. And you should be running Leadership to get the RP from that. And you will get some RP from enchantment drops, those have increased significantly.

You should be able to get one artifact to mythic in way less than one month.

And you don't need to have it all the way to mythic to do well anyways.

If you want everything to BiS, 2-3 years if farming does not seem wrong to me. That is supposed to take some effort.

You sure you do not want an Instant Win button too?

plasticbat

silverkelt said:

one artifact takes 1,570.680 refining points. During a double RP event.. you need roughly 48 stacks of r5s to get a artifact to mythic.

Old cost was roughly 480k give or take in refinement points per artifact.
New cost is roughly 1.44 million AD just for refinement points.. or 5.76 million for 4 artifacts.

If you take plasticbats suggestion 30 per day = roughly 158 days per artifact or 632 days for 4 ..

Ya.. reasonable? not really.

Im always blown away by people , who have played for years, never given a thought to newer players.

Do you know how I made my first epic artifacts? by feeding them greater marks from dread ring.. THEY removed those though.

There never seems to be a reasonable grinding methodoly applied.. just increased grinding.. I cant even say paywalls as there is no real alternative.

BTW plastic, WE ALREADY earned those 30 a day.. I see no difference really, all this does is effectively remove stack buying.

My "suggestion" (if you consider that was even a suggestion) was " You can get them from leadership, from mob drop, from quests, ...., from AH.". I simply answered a question. The question was " how do you refine artifact ?" I did not say it is easy, hard, reasonable, unreasonable, etc.

solbergx

I got 3 of my artifacts waiting at level 139, the other its at level 96, im not buying R5s for now, waiting for a better future!!!

cloudius1978

Following the nerf, the Gem donation for our Stronghold Coffer dried up too and overnight it became the bottleneck, stalling our progression.

For artifacts and enchantments, at least there's Leadership RP to soften the blow, for our SH coffer, we took a direct hit.

Insignias can be donated as "Gem" too but the promised increased drop rate ain't happening.

How is everyone circumventing this to progress their SH? It has become extremely frustrating for the guild...

plasticbat

cloudius1978 said:

Following the nerf, the Gem donation for our Stronghold Coffer dried up too and overnight it became the bottleneck, stalling our progression.



For artifacts and enchantments, at least there's Leadership RP to soften the blow, for our SH coffer, we took a direct hit.



Insignias can be donated as "Gem" too but the promised increased drop rate ain't happening.



How is everyone circumventing this to progress their SH? It has become extremely frustrating for the guild...

Jewelcrafting can create crate for gem coffer. It is a level 17 task. It creates 400 Gem value in 6 hours (with no colour worker).
It is account bound. i.e. the character that makes the crate does not have to be in the guild.
Our guild does not dump real gem to coffer anymore for a long time.

silverkelt

I just through random vouchers and gems I get.. not of course all of them, but say im on the map doing influence or dragonflight and junk .. if I get 5-6 r5s, I throw them in.. figure I got them on the map.. thats where they stay .

However, ya, im no longer buying 5-6 stacks and chucking them in like I was.. what a effing pita, I swear they hate us.
blah blah blah blah blah blah ..

urabask

silverkelt said:

I just through random vouchers and gems I get.. not of course all of them, but say im on the map doing influence or dragonflight and junk .. if I get 5-6 r5s, I throw them in.. figure I got them on the map.. thats where they stay .

However, ya, im no longer buying 5-6 stacks and chucking them in like I was.. what a effing pita, I swear they hate us.
blah blah blah blah blah blah ..

Used to just buy stacks of r4s to get the guild marks for DF gear for alts.

Would cost ~450k AD per 8k guild marks like that now : |