Do you think it's unethical to use/trade the Young Yeti?

ianthewizard2012

In the past, I did Icewind Dale quest The Need for Mead from time to time in order to get the Young Yeti. I myself didn't really need that companion, but I wanted to get it and sell it because it sells at a nice price.

However, the more I think about what the hunter said, the more I felt it's inappropriate to use/trade the Young Yeti. In case you don't know, the hunter said the Young Yeti fell into his trap and he captured it.

In real life, we know many children are missing because of kidnaps. And their parents are very anxious, and probably often cry desperately in the midnight when they think of their missing children.

Eventually, I decided not to do that quest again because I really didn't have the heart to get involved in the trade of a kidnapped baby when their parents are sobbing.

And today, one of my friend asked me to help her doing that quest. During the quest, I defeated the yeti enemy and somehow picked up the yeti treat. When I wanted to discard it, I realized that I "Cannot Discard" it. So after finishing the quest, I originally wanted to go to the vendor and sell the treat, but then I thought: "I will simply consume the treat by feeding that caged Young Yeti. Anyway, the success rate is very low and I'm not likely to get one." After feeding the Young Yeti, guess what? Yes, it accepted my treat and I got the companion.

I told that to my friend and she congratulated me. But I told her that I'm not sure if using it is ethical because I think the Young Yeti is kinda poor. She said she don't know if it is but its parents surely are (with a LOL). And she also said if I don't want to use it, she would like to trade with me for it. I told her that I need more opinions from the forum so that I could decide.

So I need opinions from you all. Do you think it's unethical to use/trade the Young Yeti?

sockmunkey

Whats more ethical, having it in your care? Or selling to some stranger who might make it into some monster or yeti burgers? You gained its trust, you are responsible for it. To let it go, or sell it, would just be cruel at this point.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

urabask

sockmunkey said:

Whats more ethical, having it in your care? Or selling to some stranger who might make it into some monster or yeti burgers? You gained its trust, you are responsible for it. To let it go, or sell it, would just be cruel at this point.

He's a greedy little **** though. Week after week of giving him treats and he just sits there. He's getting what's coming to him imo.

instynctive

I have to go with what sockmunkey said. A yeti wasn't born to live in a cage... and instead of being raised in the wild, where he would undoubtedly become corrupted by the Black Ice, freeing the little guy from the hunter is the best option, given the limited options available.

The yeti will fast become an excellent companion... they require minimal care once they've grown to full size, and provide extra warmth during your forays through Icewind Dale. Like dogs, they are fiercely loyal and protective of their "pack".

As for trading them.. I wouldn't, unless I was able to perform a full background check on the potential adopter. However, if you are in need of the 85k AD, I'll be happy to adopt him from you... you can get into contact with me in-game.

bitt3rnightmar3

instynctive said:

I have to go with what sockmunkey said. A yeti wasn't born to live in a cage... and instead of being raised in the wild, where he would undoubtedly become corrupted by the Black Ice, freeing the little guy from the hunter is the best option, given the limited options available.

The yeti will fast become an excellent companion... they require minimal care once they've grown to full size, and provide extra warmth during your forays through Icewind Dale. Like dogs, they are fiercely loyal and protective of their "pack".

As for trading them.. I wouldn't, unless I was able to perform a full background check on the potential adopter. However, if you are in need of the 85k AD, I'll be happy to adopt him from you... you can get into contact with me in-game.

I adopt as many young yeti's as possible too. All my alts have yetis and they make excellent companions. I treat them well- give them equipment and love them very much.

sockmunkey

I'm told there is a person named Gurth in the village who is looking for Yeti. I think he is lonely, something about losing his mother when he was knee-high to a crag cat. Clearly he is looking for a pet.

ianthewizard2012

Thank you all. Your inputs are much appreciated! I think you are right. Since it has chosen to be with us, having it in our cares is always better than abandoning it and let it be corrupted by Black Ice or be eaten by other animals. So it looks like it's ethical to adopt it.


@instynctive Knowing that you could take care of it, I would be happy to give it to you. However, I had promised my friend in advance so she probably will adopt it eventually. I'm sorry about that. Hopefully, someday a lucky yeti will be in your kindly care.

@sockmunkey Thanks for the info. I just searched the village and found a man called Gurth Grimstalker. That should be him. I talked to him, but he only said: "Strong, like yeti! Quick, like crag cat!" And my reply could only be: "Good hunting, Gurth." And then the conversation ended. Maybe that is because I have never managed to complete one of Icewind Dale campaign's introduction quests (due to an ethical reason, again). I do wish there would be a hidden quest in which we can bring the Young Yeti back to their parents.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

ianthewizard2012

defiantone99 said:

The moral thing to do would be to GIVE it to your friend, since you would not have done the quest alone anyway. As long as they will give it a good home.

Yeah, I guess I will give it to my friend eventually. Btw, I had soloed the quest many times in the past so doing the quest alone isn't a problem to me.

instynctive

ianthewizard2012 said:

@instynctive Knowing that you could take care of it, I would be happy to give it to you. However, I had promised my friend in advance so she probably will adopt it eventually. I'm sorry about that. Hopefully, someday a lucky Yeti will be in your kindly care.

Three of my characters are owned by young yetis. In fact, my oldest yeti just made it to orange... they're all tricked out with the best purple companion gear, and have excellent health and dental benefits.

:-D

And yes, I agree.. giving him to your friend would be the awesome thing to do. I would. :-)

Unknown

This content has been removed.

jonkoca

Lol, I feel sorry for all the slave labourers we have working professions. 16hrs straight, and as soon as they finish... give 'em another job.

The young yeti though, he needs all that terrible childhood experience to fuel his rage and aggression, he'd be a lousy tank otherwise. Imagine him if he'd had a nice family upbringing and some education... he'd be all "why we fightin bro..? Can't we just talk this over..?"

ianthewizard2012

jonkoca said:

Lol, I feel sorry for all the slave labourers we have working professions. 16hrs straight, and as soon as they finish... give 'em another job.

The young yeti though, he needs all that terrible childhood experience to fuel his rage and aggression, he'd be a lousy tank otherwise. Imagine him if he'd had a nice family upbringing and some education... he'd be all "why we fightin bro..? Can't we just talk this over..?"

Good point. I never thought of that. But we can explain that reasonably. Assigning a 16 hours task to a worker does not mean the worker has to work on the task nonstop for 16 hours. I personally regard 16 hours as a deadline. In other words, as long as the task can be completed after 16 hours, I'm all good. During the 16 hours, the worker can eat when he is hungry, drink when he is thirsty, or rest when he is tired freely.

The tooltip of Young Yeti says yeti are fierce and aggressive beasts. So it's not like that they need terrible childhoods to fuel their rages.

jonkoca

Yeah, but they get that way because some opportunist mugger shot their parents after a late night showing of zorro.

No, wait...

greywynd

He's just an ewok wanting to grow up and become a wookiee.

urabask

ianthewizard2012 said:

jonkoca said:

Lol, I feel sorry for all the slave labourers we have working professions. 16hrs straight, and as soon as they finish... give 'em another job.

The young yeti though, he needs all that terrible childhood experience to fuel his rage and aggression, he'd be a lousy tank otherwise. Imagine him if he'd had a nice family upbringing and some education... he'd be all "why we fightin bro..? Can't we just talk this over..?"

Good point. I never thought of that. But we can explain that reasonably. Assigning a 16 hours task to a worker does not mean the worker has to work on the task nonstop for 16 hours. I personally regard 16 hours as a deadline. In other words, as long as the task can be completed after 16 hours, I'm all good. During the 16 hours, the worker can eat when he is hungry, drink when he is thirsty, or rest when he is tired freely.

The tooltip of Young Yeti says yeti are fierce and aggressive beasts. So it's not like that they need terrible childhoods to fuel their rages.

Sure it does. If they're spending 16 hours escorting a wizard's seneschal they better damn well be spending all that time doing the escorting.

ianthewizard2012

urabask said:

ianthewizard2012 said:

jonkoca said:

Lol, I feel sorry for all the slave labourers we have working professions. 16hrs straight, and as soon as they finish... give 'em another job.

The young yeti though, he needs all that terrible childhood experience to fuel his rage and aggression, he'd be a lousy tank otherwise. Imagine him if he'd had a nice family upbringing and some education... he'd be all "why we fightin bro..? Can't we just talk this over..?"

Good point. I never thought of that. But we can explain that reasonably. Assigning a 16 hours task to a worker does not mean the worker has to work on the task nonstop for 16 hours. I personally regard 16 hours as a deadline. In other words, as long as the task can be completed after 16 hours, I'm all good. During the 16 hours, the worker can eat when he is hungry, drink when he is thirsty, or rest when he is tired freely.

The tooltip of Young Yeti says yeti are fierce and aggressive beasts. So it's not like that they need terrible childhoods to fuel their rages.

Sure it does. If they're spending 16 hours escorting a wizard's seneschal they better damn well be spending all that time doing the escorting.

Or they take turns to do the escort rather than all of them do it together for 16 hours nonstop. Well, there can be many solutions.

But you did point out a possibly unreasonable working hours. Maybe we could suggest devs to reduce the working hours of that task to 6 or 8 hours to make that task making sense.

urlord283

Is this the mark of an evil player... or Good player who wants to find a good home for a young Yeti?

It is well know that Yeti will kill young Yeti if the have the sent of other races on them so they cannot be returned to the wild.

So if you have, will acquire a young Yeti remember it is not a slave but a companion

Urlord

josephskyrim

sockmunkey said:

I'm told there is a person named Gurth in the village who is looking for Yeti. I think he is lonely, something about losing his mother when he was knee-high to a crag cat. Clearly he is looking for a pet.

I lol'ed hard at this. ^_^

ianthewizard2012

josephskyrim said:

sockmunkey said:

I'm told there is a person named Gurth in the village who is looking for Yeti. I think he is lonely, something about losing his mother when he was knee-high to a crag cat. Clearly he is looking for a pet.

I lol'ed hard at this. ^_^

Umm... so that was a joke? I wasn't aware.

sockmunkey

ianthewizard2012 said:

josephskyrim said:

sockmunkey said:

I'm told there is a person named Gurth in the village who is looking for Yeti. I think he is lonely, something about losing his mother when he was knee-high to a crag cat. Clearly he is looking for a pet.

I lol'ed hard at this. ^_^

Umm... so that was a joke? I wasn't aware.

How did you manage to get to Dwarven Valley without doing any of Gurths quests? He is one of the few neutral quest givers, he is available regardless of what faction you pick.

Regardless, It probably best to let Gurth explain.

Gurth said:

Yeti killed Gurth's mother, when Gurth was knee-high to crag cat.
Gurth does not forget! Gurth loved his mother.
Blood for blood! Gurth will pay for yeti kills.
Gurth track yeti through Icewind Pass. Yeti have caves in hills above bears.
Bring back yeti horns so Gurth knows they are dead.

The joke is, Gurth really dosen't need a friend. >:)

And the funny just kinda gets lost when you gotta explain it. Sad munkey now.

ianthewizard2012

sockmunkey said:

ianthewizard2012 said:

josephskyrim said:

sockmunkey said:

I'm told there is a person named Gurth in the village who is looking for Yeti. I think he is lonely, something about losing his mother when he was knee-high to a crag cat. Clearly he is looking for a pet.

I lol'ed hard at this. ^_^

Umm... so that was a joke? I wasn't aware.

How did you manage to get to Dwarven Valley without doing any of Gurths quests? He is one of the few neutral quest givers, he is available regardless of what faction you pick.

Regardless, It probably best to let Gurth explain.

I did the demon hunter's daily quest, which gives Caer-Konig Reputation. With enough Caer-Konig Reputation, I was able to process campaign task Explore Dwarven Valley, which grants the access to Dwarven Valley and its daily quests.

plasticbat

No, I don't trade the Young Yeti because I don't feed Yeti meat to it. I just sell the Yeti meat and it could be from the Young Yeti's mother.


So, what is more unethical? Trade/use Young Yeti or feeding the meat of its species to it?

Unknown

This content has been removed.

araneax

plasticbat said:

No, I don't trade the Young Yeti because I don't feed Yeti meat to it. I just sell the Yeti meat and it could be from the Young Yeti's mother.


So, what is more unethical? Trade/use Young Yeti or feeding the meat of its species to it?

That are 2 totally different things... you can not help that in order to get it you need to feed it yeti "meat".. lolz
For the sake of the discussion, lets pretend we feed it yeti meat.
You do not have to keep feeding it yeti "meat" after you start using him. Feed him chickens or something..

It is like comparing adopting / buying puppies with feeding the said puppies with their kind in order to get them..
Gods that is disturbing..

On a side note, we do eat chickens that eat feed with other chickens in it...

beckylunatic

Good grief, it's a yeti treat, not yeti meat.

The yeti dropped it because it was packing a lunch. That's all.

araneax

beckylunatic said:

Good grief, it's a yeti treat, not yeti meat.

The yeti dropped it because it was packing a lunch. That's all.

hush.. dont point it out.
This just started to be fun.

Lets leave it at yeti meat...

sockmunkey

araneax said:

beckylunatic said:

Good grief, it's a yeti treat, not yeti meat.

The yeti dropped it because it was packing a lunch. That's all.

hush.. dont point it out.
This just started to be fun.

Lets leave it at yeti meat...

I wouldn't be so sure. I firmly believe Ian honestly takes these moral discussions seriously.

dragoness10

To return to original post -

Keeping a Yeti is like keeping a tiger. It's not a dog, and even some people aren't really good at or should have dogs.

We ride all sorts of mounts that poof in and out at our will of all sorts of animals and creations.

~Is your character qualified or gotten a degree in how to do all the animal husbandry required for the pets/ mounts? ~

Other companions are actual people of various races that follow us around like servants, slaves, best friends, or minions. What paychecks or perks do they get? Why do they do it?

: pauses:

You cannot think of the Icon, the token, representing the animal as the animal itself. It's more like a voucher, or bill of sale. You're not trading A YETI, but rather an item representing a yeti. If you throw that away you're not tossing an actual Yeti into the trash. You're not sticking a poor Yeti into the Auction House boxes until it sells.

It's an ITEM. You only keep the Yeti itself once you bind it to your character and name it.

Is it ethical? Are pets ethical? Are mounts Ethical? Good questions for roleplay. Not so good if you want to just chill and play the game.

santralafax

Isn't exploitation what makes the world go 'round?