Always Double Refinement expanded

lirithiel

With the planned (and much-needed) change coming to the Lostmauth set bonus, don't you, the devs, think it's time that the "always double refinement" feature is expanded to all artifact equipment? I think we can all agree that levelling up artifact gear is a chore like none other and adding the said feature to artifact weapons was most welcome (thank you) but with this incoming change there will be plenty of players looking to swap to another artifact set, but the RP wall they face is almost insurmountable. Please consider this when you implement the Lostmauth change.

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kvet

I won't be swapping the set out either, at least not in the short run. That said, I agree with magenubbie - double-refine for all artifacts types would be welcome and probably should have been done in the first place.

lirithiel

I wouldn't go as far as asking for artifacts themselves to be included in this as levelling them is ezpz, just artifact equipment.

silence1x

Agreed - artifact equipment doubled, artifacts keep as is. And I say this as someone who has NOTHING above epic (purple) on any toon so . . . yes please

silverkelt

its still the best set for all classes.. as in it deals damage.. and the base stats for VT for CW is lousy and all the bonus stat does (even though it better for the class) is basically make it STAT equilavant with the better offense # losty set.

There doesn't even appear to be a DPS set for CW or even SWs to use..

They all seem catered around tr/gwf/hr.

Is the SW not supposed to be a dps class?

They need to either add caster set.. or get rid of the stat bonuses entirely and add a different feature.

I guess some are willing to try orcus.. I dont know.. I havent seen any of it drop.. being that super rare.. will just mean it will be in the millions of AD for quite awhile..

There is ZERO reason to swap the set out.. unless you change your build up.

There IS no other real options.. thats the sad truth of it.

throsbi

I have never really like the whole double this or double that events unless its for a currency or xp. To me its nothing more than a bait and switch so you fill inventory with junk to save for these events. When your current inventory is filled you spend money to expand character/account bank storage spaces or purchase bags. To me thats all these 2x event are. O well guess i will keep hoarding and be happy i get a 2x of something soon.

beckylunatic

One of the rationales for not putting the tag on neck/belt items when it was introduced is because they weren't adding any new sets at the time. So yeah, I think it is high time they added it.

I'd also like to reiterate my suggestion that the "shattered" RP items should carry this tag. I think it would create good will from players, to have RP that doesn't have to be hoarded. Adding increasingly more kinds of item-specific RP is just cruel, even if it was meant to make ranking items easier. (@strumslinger, @asterdahl )

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dsn1118

metalldjt said:

i think you should brace yourself for the level 70 artifact equipment in module 10.

Wouldnt it be orcus's set

silverkelt said:

its still the best set for all classes.. as in it deals damage.. and the base stats for VT for CW is lousy and all the bonus stat does (even though it better for the class) is basically make it STAT equilavant with the better offense # losty set.

There doesn't even appear to be a DPS set for CW or even SWs to use..

They all seem catered around tr/gwf/hr.

Is the SW not supposed to be a dps class?

They need to either add caster set.. or get rid of the stat bonuses entirely and add a different feature.

I guess some are willing to try orcus.. I dont know.. I havent seen any of it drop.. being that super rare.. will just mean it will be in the millions of AD for quite awhile..

There is ZERO reason to swap the set out.. unless you change your build up.

There IS no other real options.. thats the sad truth of it.

Before Lostmauth set got so popular,people were choosing sets for their stats and those + ability scores and not how much damage they deal.I think there is a set for every class in the game.Even some set stats might be better for some classes than LM set post nerf because of those +ability scores.

dsn1118

dsn1118 said:

metalldjt said:

i think you should brace yourself for the level 70 artifact equipment in module 10.

Wouldnt it be orcus's set

silverkelt said:

its still the best set for all classes.. as in it deals damage.. and the base stats for VT for CW is lousy and all the bonus stat does (even though it better for the class) is basically make it STAT equilavant with the better offense # losty set.

There doesn't even appear to be a DPS set for CW or even SWs to use..

They all seem catered around tr/gwf/hr.

Is the SW not supposed to be a dps class?

They need to either add caster set.. or get rid of the stat bonuses entirely and add a different feature.

I guess some are willing to try orcus.. I dont know.. I havent seen any of it drop.. being that super rare.. will just mean it will be in the millions of AD for quite awhile..

There is ZERO reason to swap the set out.. unless you change your build up.

There IS no other real options.. thats the sad truth of it.

Before Lostmauth set got so popular,people were choosing sets for their stats and those + ability scores and not how much damage they deal.I think there is a set for every class in the game.Even some set stats might be better for some classes than LM set post nerf because of those +ability scores.

I dont understand why they still insist on set bonuses after they removed gear bonuses because of their unexpected bugs,etc.Just remove all special bonuses and everybody can focus their builds according to stats and ability scores.

andorrabell

lirithiel said:

With the planned (and much-needed) change coming to the Lostmauth set bonus, don't you, the devs, think it's time that the "always double refinement" feature is expanded to all artifact equipment? I think we can all agree that levelling up artifact gear is a chore like none other and adding the said feature to artifact weapons was most welcome (thank you) but with this incoming change there will be plenty of players looking to swap to another artifact set, but the RP wall they face is almost insurmountable. Please consider this when you implement the Lostmauth change.

It really needs to come with this change or a 2RP weekend

weaver936

lirithiel said:

With the planned (and much-needed) change coming to the Lostmauth set bonus, don't you, the devs, think it's time that the "always double refinement" feature is expanded to all artifact equipment? I think we can all agree that levelling up artifact gear is a chore like none other and adding the said feature to artifact weapons was most welcome (thank you) but with this incoming change there will be plenty of players looking to swap to another artifact set, but the RP wall they face is almost insurmountable. Please consider this when you implement the Lostmauth change.

Really.. you guys act like this game is HARD....

silverkelt

I dont think its quite over the top request to warrant that response. Hes not asking for anything thats not already in game (on the weapons, just not on the belt/neck. )

The amount of rp needed to get items back to legendary is immense, most people cant afford just to drop that much loss on anything else but the 20% already built in loss on this stuff.

He wasnt asking for anything else..

holy moly.

weaver936

silverkelt said:

I dont think its quite over the top request to warrant that response. Hes not asking for anything thats not already in game (on the weapons, just not on the belt/neck. )

The amount of rp needed to get items back to legendary is immense, most people cant afford just to drop that much loss on anything else but the 20% already built in loss on this stuff.

He wasnt asking for anything else..

holy moly.

3-4k ad per stack of Rank 5's, Something like 30k AD for Minor Resonance stone (but can get greaters from Tiamat weekly), 2x RP fairly regular... don't actually HAVE to replace your set... plenty of places to make ad... general costs of refinement mats WAY down... today's players have it a million times easier than I had it coming up. I never used the Leadership rad thing.. and so, if I can do it... across 7 toons... they can do it with ONE.. lol. . This game is NOT hard... getting good info from smart people about the game is though. Especially if the only option you can find to get it is in PE Zone Chat or the Forums.

Also, if you have had the Lostie set for more than a month or so, you really should be thankful that you had the opportunity to perform at such a high level. NO ONE coming in after the change will get the same experience. That is the way MMO's usually work.. Old Timers usually get benefits that new players never will get. In this cause it's the same.. however.. with all the whining.. many aspects of the game is actually EASIER for newer players than the older ones.

I think the biggest issue is people thinking the Devs are TAKING something from us instead of fixing something that never should have been in the first place. I hear some people saying.. well they didn't say anything for a year and now they fix it. QQ... GOOD for you.. you got to exploit a whole in programming for a YEAR!!! Don't cry about it now.. be THANKFUL if anything.

I really wish people would complain less.. learn more... and actually PLAY the game well.

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lirithiel

weaver936 said:

silverkelt said:

I dont think its quite over the top request to warrant that response. Hes not asking for anything thats not already in game (on the weapons, just not on the belt/neck. )

The amount of rp needed to get items back to legendary is immense, most people cant afford just to drop that much loss on anything else but the 20% already built in loss on this stuff.

He wasnt asking for anything else..

holy moly.

3-4k ad per stack of Rank 5's, 2x RP fairly regular... don't actually HAVE to replace your set... plenty of places to make ad... general costs of refinement mats WAY down... todays players have it a million times easier than I had it coming up. I never used the Leadership rad thing.. and so, if I can do it... across 7 toons... they can do it with ONE.. lol. . This game is NOT hard... getting good info from smart people about the game is though. Especially if the only option you can find to get it is in PE Zone Chat or the Forums.

Oh gods...one of those "back in my day we had to to kite mobs uphill - both ways - in the snow" guys. This request has nothing to do with the game's difficulty, it's a quality of life improvement that only makes sense given that weapons already have that feature. Now move along kid and get off my lawn!

jasman23

I dont think that would happen in any time soon but for sure I hope it happens

murattti

Where those days

weaver936

weaver936 said:

silverkelt said:

I dont think its quite over the top request to warrant that response. Hes not asking for anything thats not already in game (on the weapons, just not on the belt/neck. )

The amount of rp needed to get items back to legendary is immense, most people cant afford just to drop that much loss on anything else but the 20% already built in loss on this stuff.

He wasnt asking for anything else..

holy moly.

3-4k ad per stack of Rank 5's, 2x RP fairly regular... don't actually HAVE to replace your set... plenty of places to make ad... general costs of refinement mats WAY down... todays players have it a million times easier than I had it coming up. I never used the Leadership rad thing.. and so, if I can do it... across 7 toons... they can do it with ONE.. lol. . This game is NOT hard... getting good info from smart people about the game is though. Especially if the only option you can find to get it is in PE Zone Chat or the Forums.

lirithiel said:

weaver936 said:

silverkelt said:

I dont think its quite over the top request to warrant that response. Hes not asking for anything thats not already in game (on the weapons, just not on the belt/neck. )

The amount of rp needed to get items back to legendary is immense, most people cant afford just to drop that much loss on anything else but the 20% already built in loss on this stuff.

He wasnt asking for anything else..

holy moly.

3-4k ad per stack of Rank 5's, 2x RP fairly regular... don't actually HAVE to replace your set... plenty of places to make ad... general costs of refinement mats WAY down... todays players have it a million times easier than I had it coming up. I never used the Leadership rad thing.. and so, if I can do it... across 7 toons... they can do it with ONE.. lol. . This game is NOT hard... getting good info from smart people about the game is though. Especially if the only option you can find to get it is in PE Zone Chat or the Forums.

Oh gods...one of those "back in my day we had to to kite mobs uphill - both ways - in the snow" guys. This request has nothing to do with the game's difficulty, it's a quality of life improvement that only makes sense given that weapons already have that feature. Now move along kid and get off my lawn!

The Quality of Live improvements introduced since Mod 7 (including Mod 7) are ENORMOUS!!!!!!!!!!! No need to add something like... an "OMG, I actually have to try in game again" quality of life improvement.