micky1p00Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,594Arc User
Highly Disappointing Party Surprise ! Heavy Dwarf Procurement Service ?! - Must be a great tanking companion, I see people look for it all the time. Herbal Delight Peppy Syrup.
If CW would be high dps, it would be OP. Renegade buffs, CC, maybe HV or fire mage debuffs and dps compareable to a GWF or a SW, who bring next to no group buffs, would be wrong. Who would invite a GWF or SW?
Same reason rightous DC should never be able to do dmg similar to a dps class.
DC can deal nearly the same amount of dps with other second tier dps classes (not those meta dps classes like CW, SW and GWF with lostmauth). If you judge from dps chart, if the other dps in team doesnt deal more than thrice the total damage dealed by DC, then DC has higher dps than them. Righteous DC doesnt increase his dps only but apply most of their skill as team buff+debuff, you cant judge his damage potential by looking at the chart only. However, since there are always many BIS GWF dealing 10x the total of the other four total damage, if your term "dps class" means these OP guys then yes you are right that DC damage can never comparable with dps classes.
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
Any CW speced and played properly for "HDPS" IS HDPS, do not kid yourselves.
@niadan@jazzfong but isn't that only because of how trivial the difficulty is? Would you still take a DPS specced class(not necessarily talking about the CW) which is outmatched by other DPS classes by a lot to a dungeon that would be 3 times as difficult as CN?(again, not only talking about 3x damage or HP, but also other insta-kill mechanics, hard to engage fights, generally where a strategy is requirement and not just a roleplaying element...)
Hmm... I main a DC and i prefer the one who can hit harder. I hardly know how the CW feels when GWF is better but cant they just take the second slot of dps? Unless u mean 3 GWF 1 DC 1 OP premade, or else CW is always good for team as it can help to nuke things down with their cc. I think only dps classes other than GWF and SW suffer, as a DC, i take the healer slot and boost my team dps by at least 150% more while still healing and dishing out some solid damage. If you feel CW is boring, join the support crowd then. DC + GWF is always better than GWF + GWF if the DC know how to play, and the 2.5x damage multiplier doesnt only affect your GWF but the other 3 more ppl. Happy to be a DC, no worries, hahahahaha.....
The point is: Only CWs/DCs/GFs can give huge buffs/debuffs and good player realize that and theese are the players they say after a dungeon run:"Thx a lot for theese buffs/debuffs" But only CWs are claiming that they arent anymore paingiver number one...its so boring...so the best way to handle it: Make jokes of them.
Those cws that complain (along with any other PLAYERS that complain about their class) are just crybabies that should probably play a different class or game all together. I like to run with players that have class, not because of the class they play.
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treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
What HDPS is to me:
2,5k+; Proper build; Experient;
Or 4k+ Equip > exp + build.
I will take both kinds in a run.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
Any of the regular dps classes can with close enough to 100% crit, losty can carry anything they need to carry, including edemo, cn and the rest of the "content"
Typically though, if you are talking the classes that will do the most damage, regardless of similar offensive #s.. its going to be sw or gwf..
the only reason to ask for hdps.. would be you know your group isnt capable of handling the content.. why anyone would join these groups is beyond me..
I stood in PE yesterday for an hour...just to check something. All ( and i mean really all..) ppl who where searching "LF4M eLOL/CN 3k plus" i did a check on them. And guess wot? Only 1 from maybe 20 did have 3k GS. All the others had 2-2,5k GS. So im pretty sure "LFM HDPS" only means: "I only wanny leech and im not in the mood to use skills/movement. I want my items easy and need players they do carry me thorugh theese dungeons". Today i will check ppl in derith when it comes to edemo ^^.
The point is: Only CWs/DCs/GFs can give huge buffs/debuffs and good player realize that and theese are the players they say after a dungeon run:"Thx a lot for theese buffs/debuffs" But only CWs are claiming that they arent anymore paingiver number one...its so boring...so the best way to handle it: Make jokes of them.
The point is your GWF is overbuffed and after it will be reworked the jokes will be on you...
Those cws that complain (along with any other PLAYERS that complain about their class) are just crybabies that should probably play a different class or game all together. I like to run with players that have class, not because of the class they play.
And I like to play wih ppl who can play with other than some faceroll class.
I dont play a GWF. Never said. Dunno why you think i have one...
And why should the GWF be nerfed? Question: Is it ok when Cryptic gonna nerf the GWFs, but they give the GWFs some CC skills instead? Think about it. What else than DPS can a GWF do? CC? Orcus tanking withou a Yeti companion? CC? Stealth? CC? I think you never talked to GWFs or checked the skills from GWFs.He ( like CWs/Sws/Trs/Hrs) can get huge buffs from DC/GF. I cant see any "overbufffs" only for GWF. Maybe you can enlight me and tell me the skills that overbuffs the GWF? Make a poll and ask the GWFs if they are ok with it when IBS get 40% less DPS but for this they can get icy terrain. Would be interessting. So stop crying and i gonna stop post any OT here. Its obvious what you gonna try and i dont like it. I dont like if ppl like you only yelling"NERF THIS CLASS!! NERF THAT CLASS!!" instead of "lets try to get some balance plz, dear devs".
Question: Is it ok when Cryptic gonna nerf the GWFs, but they give the GWFs some CC skills instead? Think about it. What else than DPS can a GWF do? CC? Orcus tanking withou a Yeti companion? CC? Stealth? CC?
GWF has cc skills. FLS, avalanche, roar, takedown, flourish.
It has offtank capabilities and we all know that it was a mistake to raise an offtank damage that high in an mmo game!
I think you never talked to GWFs or checked the skills from GWFs.He ( like CWs/Sws/Trs/Hrs) can get huge buffs from DC/GF. I cant see any "overbufffs" only for GWF. Maybe you can enlight me and tell me the skills that overbuffs the GWF?
--best buff in tha game 40% dmg. (hidden daggers); --gwfs has extra power from even breathing (arp, reco, def); --no other class has buffs which has no cd; you just get it and have it till the end of combat (destroyer capstone); It should has CD or something
Make a poll and ask the GWFs if they are ok with it when IBS get 40% less DPS but for this they can get icy terrain. Would be interessting. So stop crying and i gonna stop post any OT here. Its obvious what you gonna try and i dont like it. I dont like if ppl like you only yelling"NERF THIS CLASS!! NERF THAT CLASS!!" instead of "lets try to get some balance plz, dear devs".
"make a poll" lol. Do you really think its some kind of political lobby here or a popularity contest? No its purely technical: the pve balance is non-existant in this game compared to othe rmmos.
the only reason to ask for hdps.. would be you know your group isnt capable of handling the content.. why anyone would join these groups is beyond me..
Or if you want to do speedruns with a HV CW, a HP rightous DC and a ITF GF semipremade and you need some DDs that can use all the buffs.
Chars: CW, DC, GF, GWF, HR and TR.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
I would assume if that group .. needs a dps.. they can swap things around/find a friends/guild list with a 3k++ dps with close enough high crit/losty that they wouldnt be asking in pe for hdps.
I would assume if that group .. needs a dps.. they can swap things around/find a friends/guild list with a 3k++ dps with close enough high crit/losty that they wouldnt be asking in pe for hdps.
Sadly, most of my friends stopped playing or switched to PvP. While most of my friends still playing have all the old sets and know how to play their class, most of the time there are maybe 2 or 3 of them online, so we fill up with guildmates or PE.
I dont look for players in the 3 or 4k+ channels, due to the fact, that the results are mostly dissapointing. I did some full premade EDemo runs with two friends, I farmed CN with ages ago, and 4k+ channel players (one of my friends invited us). Our DC outdpsed ALL of the 17 players from the 4k+ channel, GWFs included.
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Heavy Dwarf Procurement Service ?! - Must be a great tanking companion, I see people look for it all the time.
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Same reason rightous DC should never be able to do dmg similar to a dps class.
Only CWs/DCs/GFs can give huge buffs/debuffs and good player realize that and theese are the players they say after a dungeon run:"Thx a lot for theese buffs/debuffs"
But only CWs are claiming that they arent anymore paingiver number one...its so boring...so the best way to handle it:
Make jokes of them.
2,5k+;
Proper build;
Experient;
Or 4k+
Equip > exp + build.
I will take both kinds in a run.
Typically though, if you are talking the classes that will do the most damage, regardless of similar offensive #s.. its going to be sw or gwf..
the only reason to ask for hdps.. would be you know your group isnt capable of handling the content.. why anyone would join these groups is beyond me..
Today i will check ppl in derith when it comes to edemo ^^.
And I like to play wih ppl who can play with other than some faceroll class.
And why should the GWF be nerfed?
Question:
Is it ok when Cryptic gonna nerf the GWFs, but they give the GWFs some CC skills instead? Think about it. What else than DPS can a GWF do? CC? Orcus tanking withou a Yeti companion? CC? Stealth? CC?
I think you never talked to GWFs or checked the skills from GWFs.He ( like CWs/Sws/Trs/Hrs) can get huge buffs from DC/GF. I cant see any "overbufffs" only for GWF. Maybe you can enlight me and tell me the skills that overbuffs the GWF?
Make a poll and ask the GWFs if they are ok with it when IBS get 40% less DPS but for this they can get icy terrain. Would be interessting. So stop crying and i gonna stop post any OT here. Its obvious what you gonna try and i dont like it. I dont like if ppl like you only yelling"NERF THIS CLASS!! NERF THAT CLASS!!" instead of "lets try to get some balance plz, dear devs".
It has offtank capabilities and we all know that it was a mistake to raise an offtank damage that high in an mmo game! --best buff in tha game 40% dmg. (hidden daggers);
--gwfs has extra power from even breathing (arp, reco, def);
--no other class has buffs which has no cd; you just get it and have it till the end of combat (destroyer capstone); It should has CD or something
"make a poll" lol.
Do you really think its some kind of political lobby here or a popularity contest?
No its purely technical: the pve balance is non-existant in this game compared to othe rmmos.
And ...@willson: Plz...dont write anymore nonsens. Thx a lot.
I dont look for players in the 3 or 4k+ channels, due to the fact, that the results are mostly dissapointing. I did some full premade EDemo runs with two friends, I farmed CN with ages ago, and 4k+ channel players (one of my friends invited us). Our DC outdpsed ALL of the 17 players from the 4k+ channel, GWFs included.