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thefabricant
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So, I think its time this question was asked...what exactly is high dps? I see groups in lfg, in zerg channels, in elitist pve channels etc asking for hdps, but I have never seen a definitive, non opinionated definition of what this counts as.
What people seem to mean is 1 of the following things:
1) Someone who does more or equal to damage than the person asking.
2) Someone with high item level.
3) Someone who can carry a group.
4) Someone who knows how to play their toon.
5) Someone who knows how to run ahead and cheese paingiver.
The issue with all of the above definitions is the following:
1) Some of them are subjective, for example, what 1 person might consider as being able to carry a group doesn't necessarily count as what another person counts as being able to carry a group.
2) Some of these pointers assume that every player knows each other, for example, the first requirement assumes that every player knows how much damage the person asking for high dps does, so that they can then compare themselves against that and then know if they meet that persons' requirements.
3) These requirements are all arbitrary, a group with lower item level players with a proper group composition with buffers etc will be faster than 1 filled with pure dps.
So I propose the following:
To all of those of you asking for high dps, how about you define it in a very specific way, to a number. For example, if your toon is 3k+ of a specific class, you have to do more than 100k dps on ACT, or if you are another class, you have to do more dps than 150k. If you are going to use "high dps" as a group requirement, at least make the requirement meaningful, because as it stands, it is completely meaningless.
What people seem to mean is 1 of the following things:
1) Someone who does more or equal to damage than the person asking.
2) Someone with high item level.
3) Someone who can carry a group.
4) Someone who knows how to play their toon.
5) Someone who knows how to run ahead and cheese paingiver.
The issue with all of the above definitions is the following:
1) Some of them are subjective, for example, what 1 person might consider as being able to carry a group doesn't necessarily count as what another person counts as being able to carry a group.
2) Some of these pointers assume that every player knows each other, for example, the first requirement assumes that every player knows how much damage the person asking for high dps does, so that they can then compare themselves against that and then know if they meet that persons' requirements.
3) These requirements are all arbitrary, a group with lower item level players with a proper group composition with buffers etc will be faster than 1 filled with pure dps.
So I propose the following:
To all of those of you asking for high dps, how about you define it in a very specific way, to a number. For example, if your toon is 3k+ of a specific class, you have to do more than 100k dps on ACT, or if you are another class, you have to do more dps than 150k. If you are going to use "high dps" as a group requirement, at least make the requirement meaningful, because as it stands, it is completely meaningless.
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"...I grab my wiener and charge!" - ironzerg79
I assume 3k atleast, lostmauth and perfect vorpal or similar.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
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Kain
A) cause they're lazy and taking 15 mins instead of 10 doing a dungeon is unacceptable;
C) they like to compare their dps to the one of the Hdps and say "i'm close to the big guy, that means i'm better than him." or "the big guy tripled my dmg, but of course he's way better geared than me"
Personally every time i see ppl asking for Hdps i laugh at them.
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funny when people do #5 againts me and end up at 2nd when we hit bosses
When I hear people ask for hdps, I always assume they are looking for someone who is more of a benefit to the group then a hindrance.
Then there are those that keep claiming they are hdps after explicitly trying to explain to them that they are not in my books, so yeah i too rarely put ignorant people on ignore.
Thats why you see poeple run front the faster deal the most paingiver damage.
BOSses are real competition since they have high hp.
LOoking for the highest damage dealer for faster runs ?:) i can be opressor and invite: op with aura of courage gf with into the fray 2 dc to stack buffs here is my fast run.
It may flatter some invited players, but sometimes requires patience and attitude, in low gs party it is not DPS a main problem, but lack of properly working tank and healer roles. Party instead of invite second DC or GF to address survival and boost party DPS, expect some HDPS to solve all their problems.
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In Pink: "From [A]: TR 2.3 HDPS. Inv me"
This is another frequent case XD . Need whatever is not dps and people proposing HDPS.
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I dunno- I never ask for this when I make parties. I'll pretty much run with whomever wants to come in my friends list/guild provided the support aspect is taking care of- usually by me. -shrug- I don't pug or look in LFG ever actually- unless Legit chat counts as LFG..
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A friend claimed, that his 2.5k GWF is hdps, but even as a good player, he does ca. 50% of the dmg my 3.1 GWF does and a good SW or GWF deals even more. Hdps is subjective in most chases. In my book hdps are some SWs, some GWFs and a few TRs.
The truth is that you don't need more than 2.5k gs on well built dps to complete t2 dungeons with a decent party composition that knows how to tank and survive the dungeon.
It means a big (3-3,5+) GWF as in current state of the game can do 2-3 times better than other dps classes like HR/CW/TR.
Sometimes it can mean SW or a big CW.
Typically exludes TRs and HRs because they are always suspcious to be rolled only for pvp if you see a 3-3,5k+ one.
Heavy Dwarf Procurement Service ?! - Must be a great tanking companion, I see people look for it all the time.
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