Extra short guide to pathfinder trapper (mod8-9)

ralexinor

Vorpal sucks for PvP, generally the best enchant is Feytouched but only if you can get it at Transcendent rank, however, Holy Avenger has merits of its own; the healing is very useful even though the defense ever since the armor pen change is anything but useful.

Honestly doesn't really matter what enchant you use vs elven, it won't really make a massive difference but I think feytouched is probably better than holy avenger still. The heals doesn't justify the loss of damage/debuff.

nyxillis

Damn I was hoping to hear that Vorpal was fully viable for BiS pvp, I would really love to be able to run a Longshot build as i love the playstyle and tend to stay in ranged stance more than melee with the abundance of 1 rotation GF's running around (unless there is a teammate with me). Guess ill have to stick with full trapper + T-Fey.

ralexinor

You /can/ run longshot but you will suffer more than full trapper against certain classes, such as CW, SW and other HRs mostly. Also, your team/premade role will not be as effective, since you will be more of a node holder/1v1er, and there are other classes that can do that better than you can. Against every other class it's fine, also running longshot with feytouched is just as good.

If you enjoy the playstyle then run with it; if you start feeling too underwhelmed or weak, then swap to a more effective playstyle.

If you really want to run longshot, I'd run with tfey/tholy, whichever you're more comfortable with. Also, since the meta is usually elven I guess, then I'd run with this build:

http://nwcalc.com/index.html#/hr?b=2xh8:k6rwk5:8dep:5tb7d,13k3iii:1uu0u00:1000000:1uu2iz1&h=0&p=pfr

(You can move points in forestbond/trapper's cunning as you like; if you want you can run with 5/5 forestbond instead of 2/5 trapper's and 3/5 forest)

I will note that this build is specifically designed against elven users, it is far less effective against negation users but really, with negation I think your damage will mostly come from longshot/thorn ward anyway, as said negation users are generally GWF/GF. It's also assuming you don't run aspect of the serpent and are running lone wolf instead.

Also the reason why I say vorpal is meh is because with the value of tenacity atm, the damage of crits vs non-crits at base crit severity means non-crits do more than crits. Vorpal will increase crits, but not by much and since you need to crit for vorpal to actually affect the skill, then overall, it's not that effective because you're not upping your crit damage that much anyway because of tenacity, and the difference between crits and non-crits isn't enough to justify vorpal over feytouched for damage. While longshot is a crit based build, the damage boost is coming from the longshot procs, not from the crits themselves, and longshot cannot crit.

nyxillis

Sweet thanks @ralexinor for all the feedback and info you've shared.

rayrdan

@nyxillis im personally loving trans holy. yes feytouch gives damage but if you went support route that 20% additional dr is going to all your party as well as the healing. It may seem not enough but i lost count of the times i saved a party member thanks to it. And generally it s allowing me to slot demogorgon weapons for more def/power. Feytouch is probably generally better but one day it will be nerfed.. as far as i know devs are aware of it being broken and i hate building a toon around something overperforming.

wdj40

rayrdan said:

@nyxillis im personally loving trans holy. yes feytouch gives damage but if you went support route that 20% additional dr is going to all your party as well as the healing. It may seem not enough but i lost count of the times i saved a party member thanks to it. And generally it s allowing me to slot demogorgon weapons for more def/power. Feytouch is probably generally better but one day it will be nerfed.. as far as i know devs are aware of it being broken and i hate building a toon around something overperforming.

I actually really want to try out a Holy on the Xbox as I love the sound of it, you may have persuaded me to give it a try... Only thing is Holy is way more expensive than Fey on the Xbox, so I would have to sell my Trans Fey to get it.

What do you guys think of the Life Drinker Enchant? Is that any good at Trans?

nyxillis

@wdj40 In my experience T-Life Drinker is a viable option as long as the rest of your build is solid but doesnt perform at the same level as T-fey or T-Holy. If thats what you can afford then by all means go for it but definitely save up to get to the next tier of weapon enchants asap, they make a substantial difference.

ralexinor

Life drinker is a HAMSTER enchant for HR; the healing and DR from holy avenger is far better, and life drinker is also bugged with Thorn Ward (seems to apply the LD stacks to Thorn Ward rather than you, which ends up not doing anything anyway).

wdj40

Ah ok thank you for the replies, one day I hope to have multiple Enchants to swap around etc... At the moment though I have only had the resources to level 2 up to Trans... so I went with Fey and Neg.

nyxillis

Oh well if you already have a Fey then yeah stay the hell away from Lifedrinker. I was just assuming that you were a lower-geared player simply looking for a cheap enchant to get you started. Although If there ARE any low geared players looking for an entry-level enchant I would personally suggest Plaguefire. Feytouched is lackluster at anything below trans and @ralexinor has already weighed in on why vorpal is a bad choice. Holy Avenger suffers from shortcomings similar to fey's at lower ranks, there are windows where it is almost entirely useless.

This is all obviously advice for sub-70 players or those at 70 with very low ilevels. If your playing at the higher tiers of 70 pvp then Ralexinor and userutf8's advice is all you need to be following ^,,^

wdj40

nyxillis said:

Oh well if you already have a Fey then yeah stay the hell away from Lifedrinker. I was just assuming that you were a lower-geared player simply looking for a cheap enchant to get you started. Although If there ARE any low geared players looking for an entry-level enchant I would personally suggest Plaguefire. Feytouched is lackluster at anything below trans and @ralexinor has already weighed in on why vorpal is a bad choice. Holy Avenger suffers from shortcomings similar to fey's at lower ranks, there are windows where it is almost entirely useless.

This is all obviously advice for sub-70 players or those at 70 with very low ilevels. If your playing at the higher tiers of 70 pvp then Ralexinor and userutf8's advice is all you need to be following ^,,^

Thank you for the advice all the same. I know a few people have mentioned the PvP side of things on this game, I personally have 1600hrs on the X1 and I have yet to try PvP, I am more of a PvE player anyway. I am probably going to try PvP at some point to see if it is any good.

thefabricant

A nice picture for you. You can figure out what caused it

ralexinor

Lostmauth/gushing wound? Lopl

jhpnw

^^^^^^^probably off of careful attack.

jaegernl

jhpnw said:

^^^^^^^probably off of careful attack.

Which a Stormwarden doesn't have. Right.

jonkoca

One hit for 11934, and another for 2912.

Only kidding - no idea. Wish I could hit that in pvp.

nyxillis

When you crit many times in a row the number on screen adds up and becomes one large number. Ive gotten my orange number to silly levels as well but you can be sure that it wasnt from any single ability.

thefabricant

nyxillis said:

When you crit many times in a row the number on screen adds up and becomes one large number. Ive gotten my orange number to silly levels as well but you can be sure that it wasnt from any single ability.

It was a single hit from hawk eye. Look at the edemo timer, 13 seconds into phase 2. I know the theory behind how you make hawk eye hit that hard but you going to have to figure it out for yourself.

wdj40

thefabricant said:

A nice picture for you. You can figure out what caused it

lol nice hit ha ha

Its really weird looking at PC screenshots as the lay out is sooooo different. Looking at that screen are you PC guys able to slot 4 Encounter Powers?

thefabricant

wdj40 said:

thefabricant said:

A nice picture for you. You can figure out what caused it

lol nice hit ha ha

Its really weird looking at PC screenshots as the lay out is sooooo different. Looking at that screen are you PC guys able to slot 4 Encounter Powers?

No, tab is just switch stance/divinity/divine call or if you are a CW the mastery slot.

aaramis75

So, Hawkeye + Prey + CA crit? Or Gushing?

wdj40

I`d like to see a video rather than a screenshot, it is hard to figure out something from a picture.

jhpnw

last night in Edemo a HR single handed wrecked Edemo in act showed longstrider hawkeye constricting were used. not sure of order or buffs but I have seen this in Edemo a few times from HR Storm Warden I am guessing from times and dps increases that he had bonding stones and pet boosting his stats as well he smashed phase 2 and 3 very quickly

in the above picture I see rank 12 bonding procts from pet so that dps is not that un realist if pet is maxed enchants and HR is skilled I have seen 500k Sezmic shots this way

rayrdan

it only works with that party because of gwfs retardness.
dc full buff/debuffs, into the fray, activate master trapper, land longshot from maximum distance, scream for IBSs, land hawk eye
something bugs out at that point but that guy is able to do it consistenly.
@thefabricant if you discovered something more pm me pls

userutf8

Sharp, ty for screen, very funny.
Got shitload of work, no time even to log into for daily key, lol
Just a blind guess: he procs gushing, then casts disruptive shot (that i see on screen), and that triggers stormstep action which causes gushing to multiproc like mad.

aaramis75

userutf8 said:

Sharp, ty for screen, very funny.
Got shitload of work, no time even to log into for daily key, lol
Just a blind guess: he procs gushing, then casts disruptive shot (that i see on screen), and that triggers stormstep action which causes gushing to multiproc like mad.

Just tested this out solo, and couldn't reproduce the bug. It could be that it requires *multiple* Gushing Wound procs to work, in the same manner in which Careful Attack gets pretty silly in full raids but is weak solo; but that means a full group/raid to test, which is hard to find on the test server.

kievitz

SW full trapper build

ranged rotation= strider, cons,3Xtab(activates master trapper and gets him to melee), melee rotation= hawkbuff, GW, steel, then tab and repeat

GW is buffed up with the strider, master trapper and hawkbuff then shoots disruptive, the gimick behind the disruptive is far beyond my comprehension. Prolly cos its a stun it messes up active dps ticks, bosses being immune to stuns???dunno, im not a theory crafter or ubertester, seems it just slams the number up, not like the seekers vengeance off-hand power gimick.

and the strider 40%+master trapper 30%+hawkbuff 25% on GW is a lot of damage buffs and how they react to each other.

and master trapper granting 60% longer CC in the middle of rotations

*strider+partybuff

used strider+GW+CA long time ago with dummies, could spam strider after that, never tried plain strider+CA or strider+GW

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wdj40

kievitz said:

SW full trapper build

ranged rotation= strider, cons,3Xtab(activates master trapper and gets him to melee), melee rotation= hawkbuff, GW, steel, then tab and repeat

GW is buffed up with the strider, master trapper and hawkbuff then shoots disruptive, the gimick behind the disruptive is far beyond my comprehension. Prolly cos its a stun it messes up active dps ticks, bosses being immune to stuns???dunno, im not a theory crafter or ubertester, seems it just slams the number up, not like the seekers vengeance off-hand power gimick.

and the strider 40%+master trapper 30%+hawkbuff 25% on GW is a lot of damage buffs and how they react to each other.

and master trapper granting 60% longer CC in the middle of rotations

*strider+partybuff

used strider+GW+CA long time ago with dummies, could spam strider after that, never tried plain strider+CA or strider+GW

I noticed the Fire aspect of the Wheel of Elements was used each time as well. That probably also has some sort of interaction or multiple interactions in there too.

rayrdan

well with these new insignia bonuses we can say the hr is dead in pvp... im healing people while rooting them ffs.
so anyone tried to spec back to combat with decent results?